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Jul 27, 2002, 9:12am

Just a quick question, does anyone else find aw has rediclously high
processor usage nowerdays. Im currently looking at a screen loading cache so
its mostly white.. and my processor has been at 100% ever since i came into
aw this last few sessions.

Now that would be normal in a little 500mhz system. But im on a 1.8Ghz that
runs at 2.0Ghz and if i push it upto about 2.6 - 3Ghz it still is using 100%
processor power.

Anyone have any idea why?

Intel P4 1.8Ghz
512Mb RAM w/ 1.024GB RAM available
GeForce2 MX 440
32Bit Color
1024x768 Screen Resolution
512kb Cache rate

Jul 27, 2002, 12:10pm

AW has always used 100% processor power in order to get the highest
framerates possible. You'll find that most 3D games do the same.

Perhaps what you're referring to is that when you have AW in the foreground,
it grabs the CPU power that other applications running in the background
should be using. This is very annoying because bots slow down, music in
music players becomes garbled, etc.

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Jul 27, 2002, 1:07pm

Exactly, it was WMP that made em realise

Jul 27, 2002, 2:11pm

Yikes, its not good to run a Pentium that high. Not only do you need a
heatsink the size of your head, your system becomes unstable. Unless you
flood your machine with liquid nitrogen, its not a good idea. Try running
it at its advertised clockspeed and stop bitching about your crappy computer
and windows 98 setup.

-Joe

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Jul 27, 2002, 2:29pm

P4's can be overclocked to 3.4 with a good fan and cooling system (which I
have). And its XP Pro btw

Jul 27, 2002, 3:27pm

Pentiums are crap. Even with a good proc I wouldn't go up to 200%+ the
normal output. You going to start blowing gates if you run it that fast,
then you'll need a new proc. Fans do nothing when your going that fast, all
they will do is push the hot air around in your machine. You would need a
water cooling system, which can also damage your system if not installed by
someone with an IQ higher than 10. What your doing is a bad idea. Running
windows XP is also a bad idea. Two wrongs do not make a right.

-Joe

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Jul 27, 2002, 3:45pm

I agree, id rather have gone for the AMD 1800 but couldent get it anyway,
and XP Pro is definatly the best platform.. try getting most apps to run on
a Linux, lol

Jul 27, 2002, 4:32pm

Windows 2000 beats the pants off of XP and doesn't look so fruity. I want a
OS that works, and has been proven to work. Not something that has
Microsoft spyware, a clear interface and you can only install five times.
Anyway, there's a lot of good apps for linux. Linux/unix/solaris are much
better than windows. They are more stable, have much more opensource
projects going for them, and best of all... are free. In the world of
windows, you have to pay for everything. Hell, someone's trying to sell a
crappy VB application for $150 that if you look in their HTML sourcecode,
you can download for free and crack with little or no trouble. That's how
crappy windows, that sums it up. Everything's for sale with windows, you
must buy this, license that, purchase upgrades for this, run around and
spend spend spend! Everyone's out to make a buck. But linux/unix/bleh on
the other hand, its all free. You can get great applications that are equal
or better to the windows equivalents for free, and sometimes even opensouce.
All the smaller projects are opensource. List one good opensouce project
for windows that hasn't been ported or originally started off on a
linux/unix system. Sure, there are some, like the 56k demo, but for every
one that windows has, linux has 500. Anywho, if you know how to tie your
shoes, one should be able to set up WINE on linux.

I need to sleep... and get a life.

-Joe

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Jul 27, 2002, 6:47pm

Well XP and 2000 are based on the same root kernel so id expect em to be
pritty similar in reliability terms. In regards to the interface, The XP 1
should be wiped off the face of the planet, I have the classic setup.

When all the games etc gain compatability for windows without emulation
maybe things will get allot better.

- Mark

Jul 27, 2002, 7:30pm

regardless. you can only install xp so many times... not only that but it
send microsoft all your program info every time you run it. they spiy on you
now
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Jul 27, 2002, 9:03pm

Ive noticed the samething as you Mark. Perfomance takes a hit with Aw
running. I use Win2000 pro and AMD 1400.

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Jul 27, 2002, 9:18pm

[View Quote] they're very similar, and you have the option to set the graphics back to
regular windows style, you can also disable the fading, swiping etc effects.

>I want a OS that works, and has been proven to work

it works fine, have you tried it? maybe it's your shitty computer...

> Not something that has
> Microsoft spyware, a clear interface and you can only install five times.

what do you have to worry about? you wouldn't need to unless you had
something on your system you *shouldn't*
if you don't like it...go back to your old system, why would you need to
install it so many times?

> Anyway, there's a lot of good apps for linux.

I guess I wouldn't know this one :) but I've never run into a time when I
needed linux to run a program I wanted...

> Linux/unix/solaris are much better than windows. They are more stable,
have much more opensource
> projects going for them, and best of all... are free.

winxp pro is very stable for me, and it's much easier to get things under
control if a program *becomes* unstable...though again, guess I wouldn't
know...however...how many average computer users need that? if you need
linux for programming go ahead and get it, don't rip on xp because it's not
made for extreme programming use and such..

> In the world of windows, you have to pay for everything.

that's cause microsoft is a very greedy company, they have lots of money
thanks to it.

> Hell, someone's trying to sell a
> crappy VB application for $150 that if you look in their HTML sourcecode,
> you can download for free and crack with little or no trouble. That's how
> crappy windows, that sums it up.

It was their choice to use windows to do it, and their choice to sell it for
that much, if no one wants it it's their own problem... maybe they could
have found a better way to fix it so that it couldnt be hacked like it
was...

> Everything's for sale with windows, you must buy this, license that,
purchase upgrades for this, run around and
> spend spend spend! Everyone's out to make a buck.

most people are...(you sure are cheap, all you complain about is money)

> But linux/unix/bleh on the other hand, its all free. You can get great
applications that are equal
> or better to the windows equivalents for free, and sometimes even
opensouce.

who says things that are free are better? look at all the lame freeware out
there...how many programs ('normal' ones that 'normal' people would use)
that say Linux only do you see, opensource opensource, opensource

> All the smaller projects are opensource. List one good opensouce project
> for windows that hasn't been ported or originally started off on a
> linux/unix system.

blah blah blah

> I need to sleep... and get a life.

k...I wouldn't do this because I'm not very fluent in your little opensource
crap and programming needs, but I think people think badly of windows xp
because of the rumors, it seems to work fine, it works smoother and faster,
it's very stable on my system...most software (except for all your
programming junk) is made for windows, it's your choice what os you want,
windows xp is fine for the person who is an average computer user (I do more
than just "average" things plenty of times on it) and uses normal programs,
there's settings that can be changed, so switch those before you call it
fruity...and don't complain about it, you don't have to use it...just my
opinion...and everyone has their own..feel free to flame me back...I won't
be stupid like bowen, eep, and you, and continue to do this until there's
about 10 arrows in front of the quotes...

> -Joe

O_O

Jul 27, 2002, 11:14pm

[View Quote] They arn't similer at all! XP runs off of the NT 5 kernel, but so does the
xbox. Does the xbox opperate like a normal machine? I think not.

>
>
> it works fine, have you tried it? maybe it's your shitty computer...

I've tried it on a 2GHz machine, 1GB ram, 128MB vidram, it still sucked. I
was not impressed at all. And, my normal machine isn't shitty at all. I
think an overclocked AMD 1400, 512MB of DDR ram, Radeon 7200 isn't shitty at
all.

>
times.
>
> what do you have to worry about? you wouldn't need to unless you had
> something on your system you *shouldn't*
> if you don't like it...go back to your old system, why would you need to
> install it so many times?

Its not that I have anything on my system that I want to hide, its more of
the morals behind it. Its like the government installing cameras in your
house to monitor you 24/7. Also, I reformat my machine often to get rid of
fcuked up blocks on the hard disk, I dont want to install five times and be
stuck.

>
>
> I guess I wouldn't know this one :) but I've never run into a time when I
> needed linux to run a program I wanted...

Thats because theres a port to linux of good windows program, and
visa-versa.

>
> have much more opensource
>
> winxp pro is very stable for me, and it's much easier to get things under
> control if a program *becomes* unstable...though again, guess I wouldn't
> know...however...how many average computer users need that? if you need
> linux for programming go ahead and get it, don't rip on xp because it's
not
> made for extreme programming use and such..

I have never had a program become unstable and bring the system down. I
have never had a crash, I have never had a hang for the six or seven months
that win2k has been running on my machine. My other shitty Celeron based
machine has been up since I got it, only going out when thats the unusual
power outtage. Never crashed, never hung. XP wasnt designed for anything,
other than making pointing and clicking easier. Its a worthless operating
system, like BeOS or NeXT.

>
>
> that's cause microsoft is a very greedy company, they have lots of money
> thanks to it.

Thats a problem, why? Im just saying, if your cheap, or poor, like I am,
you dont have much cash to spend on software.

>
sourcecode,
how
>
> It was their choice to use windows to do it, and their choice to sell it
for
> that much, if no one wants it it's their own problem... maybe they could
> have found a better way to fix it so that it couldnt be hacked like it
> was...

Their attempt was pathetic to say the least. The webmaster must be on
crack, or drunk. No, it wasn't their choice to put it on windows.
Activeworlds is on windows, so, their software *must* be on windows or else,
only a small small small portion of the AW community will use it.

>
> purchase upgrades for this, run around and
>
> most people are...(you sure are cheap, all you complain about is money)

I complain about money because I dont have a lot of it to spend. If I was a
millionair like you, I would be able to spend insane ammounts of cash of
software.

>
> applications that are equal
> opensouce.
>
> who says things that are free are better? look at all the lame freeware
out
> there...how many programs ('normal' ones that 'normal' people would use)
> that say Linux only do you see, opensource opensource, opensource

I've seen plenty of good freeware out on the net. Freeware has the
reputation of being crappy, because of all the VB programmers who have the
6MB programs that sort your MP3 collection, deleting half of them, and then
turning your computer into a microwave oven.

>
project
>
> blah blah blah

Is that the best thing you can come up with? Try again.

>
>
> k...I wouldn't do this because I'm not very fluent in your little
opensource
> crap and programming needs, but I think people think badly of windows xp
> because of the rumors, it seems to work fine, it works smoother and
faster,
> it's very stable on my system...most software (except for all your
> programming junk) is made for windows, it's your choice what os you want,
> windows xp is fine for the person who is an average computer user (I do
more
> than just "average" things plenty of times on it) and uses normal
programs,
> there's settings that can be changed, so switch those before you call it
> fruity...and don't complain about it, you don't have to use it...just my
> opinion...and everyone has their own..feel free to flame me back...I won't
> be stupid like bowen, eep, and you, and continue to do this until there's
> about 10 arrows in front of the quotes...

Your not fluent in my little 'opensouce' crap because you hide on the
internet. People dont think of XP badly because of rumors, it has a damn
solid reputation as a junk OS full of spyware. I never said anything about
performance of the operating system, just that its a bad one. The macintosh
OS works smoothly, unless you try to start three things at once, then it
crashes. What do you mean by 'your programming junk', I dont program
'junk', I dont even program that much. The only things I program are PoC
and some bots for my use only. I never said I was the best programming in
the world. I'm not a script kiddie VB wizard that can make a mailbomber in
VB then laugh and cry in a puddle of sweet and mountain dew when it doesnt
work. Windows is not ok for the adverage computer use. Maybe, it would be
somewhat ok for a beginer, but not an adverage. I would even reccomend ME
(ewww) over XP. I dont have to use XP because I would rather burn my
computer to a pile of ashes before using XP. Its not my choice, its my
morals of not letting someone spy on me, and not let me do something over
and over again. Damn it, its my software, I should be able to install it as
many times as I want. But, no, thats not good enough for micosoft. To
them, I'm nothing, im only licensing their software. They still own it when
its on my machine, so, therefor they own my machine. No, thats not how it
works hotshot. Thats extreamly bad business practices. I'll flame you into
the ground if I feel like it. Hell, your a puss for starting this and then
running. Grow up, and as eep would say 'Grow up, sport'.

>
>
> O_O

-Joe


>
>

Jul 27, 2002, 11:31pm

[View Quote] thanks, I like a good laugh :) lol .. not as though you *or* eep, or many
people on aw mean any significance to me whatsoever .. eep's just a
disgruntled nutcase that's had a hard virtual life :)

maki (newbie: quote eep) www.awmaki.com

Jul 27, 2002, 11:47pm

> thanks, I like a good laugh :) lol .. not as though you *or* eep, or many
> people on aw mean any significance to me whatsoever .. eep's just a
> disgruntled nutcase that's had a hard virtual life :)
>
> maki (newbie: quote eep) www.awmaki.com
>
>

Try again. Good for you, you seem to be the loner type. Anyway, how can
one have a 'hard virtual life'? 'Virtual life' is a damn oxymoron. If your
going to live, go outside or something, don't use the computer. Of course,
your much too popular to be bothered with such things like, friends, or
outside. If I doesn't mean anything to you, why the hell are you replying
to me? Are you saving children doing this? What is the point? If anyone
on AW means nothing, why the hell are you here? Go outside for Christ's
sake, go get drunk with 'friends' or whatever you do.

-Joe

Jul 28, 2002, 12:50am

Just my $.02 in the TuxTime Project which replaced the uptime.net one of the
longest uptimes was about 842d 14h 49m. So take and shove it up M$ backside
:). The longest running windows machine in the Project had an uptime of
'only' 214d 5h and 27m which was a domain controller so it didn't get much
actual user interaction which causes most problems :) Oh btw, the computer
with the longest uptime was running FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE running on a Compaq
Deskpro P][ 233 and it was a development/webserver.

Jul 28, 2002, 2:10am

Use linux for AW:

http://www.omegauniverse.com/awlin34.jpg

Works better than dx8 mode in Windows and it's all Software mode. I can
give details on how to get it working if you're bold enough (pre 3.4
versions have some nasty bugs you'll have to get used to).

--Bowen--

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Jul 28, 2002, 8:19am

So what? Crack the damn thing

Jul 28, 2002, 8:34am

Is anyone really going to run their computer non stop for that long anyway?
Chances are you will get a power outage or have to restart it for some
reason due to that. As a standard for things like servers linux beats the
hell out of Windows because windows just wasnt designed for it.

Joe is worried about all the "spyware" in Windows XP, well their own policy
means you have to be told about every single bit of info regarding what your
doing. And if even thats too much, do the obvious thing, find out which DLL
is sending the crap, open it in res edit or binary and rip out or edit a few
resource strings which point to microsoft, with any luck you will screw its
reporting features up so bad it wont send anything. Also, dissable things
like keep track of your records, kill cookies and any ad/spy-ware and turn
of things that can directly ID you such as windows media player... another
hint for people like Joe cause its probably highly related to him (sorry
mate, couldent resist).. is dont go downloading things like "The free porn
dialer - for all your hardcore needs" cause as soon as you get a cookie with
at sextracker on it ur life and ur POP3 will become worthless.

To my knowlegde Windows 2000 is also the NT5 kernel.... the business 1 vs
the piece of crap Win 9x. Its inherantly more stable if you use it right
than the 9x platforms which would get a blue screen of death every time it
found a binary bit out of place.

- Mark
*Does anyone else think Joe dosent like me?*

Jul 28, 2002, 1:39pm

> Joe is worried about all the "spyware" in Windows XP, well their own
policy
> means you have to be told about every single bit of info regarding what
your
> doing. And if even thats too much, do the obvious thing, find out which
DLL
> is sending the crap, open it in res edit or binary and rip out or edit a
few
> resource strings which point to microsoft, with any luck you will screw
its
> reporting features up so bad it wont send anything. Also, dissable things
> like keep track of your records, kill cookies and any ad/spy-ware and turn
> of things that can directly ID you such as windows media player... another
> hint for people like Joe cause its probably highly related to him (sorry
> mate, couldent resist).. is dont go downloading things like "The free porn
> dialer - for all your hardcore needs" cause as soon as you get a cookie
with
> at sextracker on it ur life and ur POP3 will become worthless.

That's illegal my friend. If you do this, you will be considered a
"cracker" and no longer be able to install XP with your current key. Don't
auto accept cookies, and don't go to sex websites, you're saved from those
2.

--Bowen--

Jul 28, 2002, 1:47pm

Over half of XP machines are cracked anyway o_0, besides, just use a
firewall to block the strings

Jul 28, 2002, 2:14pm

> Over half of XP machines are cracked anyway o_0, besides, just use a
> firewall to block the strings

That doesn't make it right to do. Firewalls may not be able to detect it.
Microsoft would have thought ahead for that one.

--Bowen--

Jul 28, 2002, 2:22pm

To my knwledge Windows does not support ant other way of sending data except
though the kernel and winsock

- mark

Bowen said:
That doesn't make it right to do. Firewalls may not be able to detect it.
Microsoft would have thought ahead for that one.

Jul 28, 2002, 2:27pm

Ah to your knowledge yes. Microsoft doesn't make everything known either.
There's some secret files they use for making their programs that they don't
release.

--Bowen--

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Jul 28, 2002, 2:36pm

Yeah, but unless their is yet another file system ive had pritty much every
single file open in hex by "a slip of my hex editor folder command" and I
dont see anything, but if there is ms gets shut down for breaking the
constitution

Jul 28, 2002, 2:38pm

You also have a right to know every bit of info that is being sent regarding
u

- Mark
*sorry for not quoting baron*

Jul 28, 2002, 2:39pm

Nah, the freedom of information acts don't include what your computer sends
about what you do.

--Bowen--

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Jul 28, 2002, 2:45pm

I believe they do under the computer seucrity terms in the UK

Jul 28, 2002, 3:07pm

I don't think we have that here in the US. The only way it would is if the
gov't collects it, and keeps it on file. Not what a company does by
tricking you into agreeing to it in the EULA.

--Bowen--

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Jul 28, 2002, 3:13pm

[View Quote] I'm sorry, I think your mixing me up with yourself. Unlike you, I dont sit
in front of my machine and look at porn all day.

-Joe


>
> To my knowlegde Windows 2000 is also the NT5 kernel.... the business 1 vs
> the piece of crap Win 9x. Its inherantly more stable if you use it right
> than the 9x platforms which would get a blue screen of death every time it
> found a binary bit out of place.
>
> - Mark
> *Does anyone else think Joe dosent like me?*
>
>

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