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Jul 17, 2002, 11:42am

This is for all those internet geniuses. If i had a DSL connection, and i
was going to keep a bot online 24/7, woould i need the comp on 24/7? Also
would it still work if i was on stand by mode? Thankyou for your attention

Yours Faithfully,
Absolute Monarch
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Mayor of Sapphire Estates (Aw 18000s 16000w)

Jul 17, 2002, 11:51am

Yes about #1 and no about #2.

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-CarLBanks, 335711

Active Worlds 3.3 Build 419

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Jul 17, 2002, 3:35pm

Addition to carlbanks' reply :

The monitor can be switched off.
Most video card drivers come with a DPMS screen saver.
Several SCSI cards can powerdown the HDs, on NT this
doesn't work well for the first HD, but should work for
the others.

Of course this isn't as good as standby mode, but it
saves at least some power and noise.


Optional, you could try to find a cheap laptop, a P1/75
with monochrome LCD, network card and Win95 will do if
you have DSL through a router. Bots don't need much
power.


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Jul 17, 2002, 8:54pm

The system needs to be turned on all the time (24/7), or however long
you want the bot to be active. You could get someone else to host the
bot for you if you are concerned about power costs. As far as I know,
you cannot fully suspend the computer and have the bot continue to run.
As Ananas already said, you could have the hard drive spin down and put
the monitor on standby after x amount of time. If you have many fans in
your system, you could install a "baby bus" and turn off unneeded fans.
Another option would be to purchase a new small form factor (SFF) PC
that has a 100 watt power supply. Most desktop PC's come with a 200-350
watt PSU. If you really want to know how much power the comp is taking
up, go search for the "Watts Up?" power meter on Google. It will tell
you how many watts a device connected to it is taking up and how much it
will cost to run. Solar power is also an option...but a PV cell that can
output 100 watts will not be cheap.

-Builderz

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Jul 18, 2002, 6:04am

Also, a computer can freeze even on 24/7 mode right?

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Jul 18, 2002, 10:53am

If you have a good BIOS, the computer will restart itself when it freezes so
that the bot can be started back up ASAP

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Jul 18, 2002, 1:34pm

A computer can freeze at *any* time for almost *any* reason. ;) However,
if you use quality components in your system and have a fairly stable OS
(Linux, Windows 2000, Windows XP, etc.), then it shouldn't freeze very
often, if at all. Just an FYI: if you want to run bots on Linux, you
will probably need a Windows emulation program (such as WINE). And even
then, bots may not work. I suggest you stick to Windows.

I have been running a server for almost three years straight and the
bots I host on it never made it freeze. The only problem I had regarding
bots with it was when I was trying to host about seven Preston bots at
once for JKMT world... ;) Besides that, the bots were up fine (besides
server maintenance and my upstream provider's connectivity problems).

-Builderz

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Jul 18, 2002, 2:27pm

> A computer can freeze at *any* time for almost *any* reason. ;) However,
> if you use quality components in your system and have a fairly stable OS
> (Linux, Windows 2000, Windows XP, etc.), then it shouldn't freeze very
> often, if at all. Just an FYI: if you want to run bots on Linux, you
> will probably need a Windows emulation program (such as WINE). And even
> then, bots may not work. I suggest you stick to Windows.

No need, bots work just fine in WINE. DOS bots work the best, the ones
without a GUI.

--Bowen--

Jul 18, 2002, 2:36pm

"DOS bots" work the best? You mean bots that were made in C or C++ and
are in a "DOS box," "DOS window," or "DOS console." I just had to rub
that in after that other post you made about me using delete instead of
cancel. ;)

-Builderz

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Jul 18, 2002, 2:44pm

Um? DOS window and console (at least the console window is a DOS window)
are the same thing. The General term I meant by dos bot is that it doesn't
use windows functions. I'm fairly sure that if your connection can work in
DOS, that you can certainly run the bot in DOS. What difference does it make
if it's C or C++? They both work the same. They totally blow the smoke out
of the water with VB and are portable. So what's your big deal? ;)

Oh yeah, by the way, you use cancel instead of deleate, not delete instead
of cancel. :)

--Bowen--

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Jul 18, 2002, 6:09pm

Never mind. There is no point in trying to convince you. You are just
too stubborn.

-Builderz

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Jul 18, 2002, 6:41pm

Thank you, thank you. Everything I said is valid though. If you compile a
bot specifically for windows, it won't work in DOS. Rather if you compile
it for DOS, it will. The differences between C and C++ have little or
nothing to do with a bot and where/how it runs.

--Bowen--

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Jul 19, 2002, 11:23am

Now you are taking my words the wrong way. I know that a bot compiled
for Windows will not work in DOS. Come on, Bowen...I'm not *that* dumb!
You are missing my point. My point of my second to last post in this
thread wasn't meant to focus on C, C++, C#, or any other programming
language. When you said "DOS bots work the best" is when I got confused.
I personally don't know anyone who creates bots specifically for DOS,
bots that run under DOS, how you would even make one (Assembly?), or
know if they will even work. Why would you even want to make a DOS bot?

I know many people who create bots that are made in VB, C, and C++
(hence that is why I mentioned C and C++ in my previous post) that run
in Windows and show a DOS *window* within Windows. When you said "DOS
bots" and not something like "bots that run in a DOS window" is what I
didn't understand. I didn't know you could make bots that work in pure
old MS-DOS. Most sample bots in the AW SDK run under Windows in a DOS
window so when I saw you type "DOS bots" and didn't include either "DOS
window" or "DOS console," I thought your terminology was incorrect.
According to you, one can make a bot that runs under DOS. I had no idea
that that was possible. I have never tried this and I wonder if the SDK
..dll file(s) will even allow it. If you are right, then I just learned
something new and we can stop our bickering on this thread (unless, of
course, you finish with some witty or smart ass comment. In that case, I
will have to reply yet again ;).

-Builderz

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Jul 19, 2002, 2:28pm

> Now you are taking my words the wrong way. I know that a bot compiled
> for Windows will not work in DOS. Come on, Bowen...I'm not *that* dumb!
> You are missing my point. My point of my second to last post in this
> thread wasn't meant to focus on C, C++, C#, or any other programming
> language. When you said "DOS bots work the best" is when I got confused.
> I personally don't know anyone who creates bots specifically for DOS,
> bots that run under DOS, how you would even make one (Assembly?), or
> know if they will even work. Why would you even want to make a DOS bot?

Let's not start a flame war over something this silly. I explained what I
meant by DOS bots in the original post itself, "DOS bots work the best, the
ones without a GUI." That's what I originally meant, oh well. You don't
"create it for DOS," You simply compile it for DOS. Althougth it probably
detects windows, and uses it for some functions I bet. You want to see a
Bot that runs under a dos window? Why would you make a DOS bot? Because
the API functions to make a "window" are far too complex in C++ just for a
silly bot, and not many people are that good. C # is more microsoft
proprietary crap btw, it shouldn't be associated with C/C++. :P

> I know many people who create bots that are made in VB, C, and C++
> (hence that is why I mentioned C and C++ in my previous post) that run
> in Windows and show a DOS *window* within Windows. When you said "DOS
> bots" and not something like "bots that run in a DOS window" is what I
> didn't understand. I didn't know you could make bots that work in pure
> old MS-DOS. Most sample bots in the AW SDK run under Windows in a DOS
> window so when I saw you type "DOS bots" and didn't include either "DOS
> window" or "DOS console," I thought your terminology was incorrect.
> According to you, one can make a bot that runs under DOS. I had no idea
> that that was possible. I have never tried this and I wonder if the SDK
> .dll file(s) will even allow it. If you are right, then I just learned
> something new and we can stop our bickering on this thread (unless, of
> course, you finish with some witty or smart ass comment. In that case, I
> will have to reply yet again ;).

Well they work in Linux without a graphical display. You may have to tweak
your bot/lib around to get it to work in dos though. Who knows, anything is
possible (Grimm said he was going to try and make a SDK for the gameboy
advance). I wish he'd make the linux sdk instead, bah.

--Bowen--

Jul 19, 2002, 5:47pm

Wait a second...Grimm is going to make an SDK for the Gameboy Advance
first before he even considers making a Linux SDK?! Even after he has
his ps2linux world hosted on a PS2 running Linux? *grumbles at Grimm*

-Builderz

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> your bot/lib around to get it to work in dos though. Who knows, anything is
> possible (Grimm said he was going to try and make a SDK for the gameboy
> advance). I wish he'd make the linux sdk instead, bah.
>
> --Bowen--

Jul 19, 2002, 7:18pm

He said he was going to try :) At least that's what I read.

--Bowen--

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