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Jun 27, 2002, 7:36am

Seeing Insanity falsely and unjustly discredited only highlights how some
love to continue witchhunts based on their perceived understanding of
things. Understandings that invariably turn out to be incorrect.

This leads me to the never ending trash that I and OneSummer have to endure
at the hands of a few who happen to wield some influence, albeit
dwindling...

There are signs posted at the GZ of worlds America and Y2000 headed with
"Warning to World Owners" which continues on to say that myself and
OneSummer are banned, apparently using the excuse of us stealing avatars
from their worlds.

Truth is neither of us have stolen anything. Truth leads to OneSummer's
good faith and trust in one person who had access to her object path in
BluPearl world who loaded a total of two avatars onto her path, declaring
them to be a gifts to her. As soon as it was confirmed that each were in
fact stolen they were removed - and we would have thought it would be the
end of the matter.

Now here is the real truth. America world currently has over 300 objects
and textures that I created on its paths. Evidence of this is proven by
going to http://www.myactiveworlds.com/~america/ls.php? and listing either
the Models or Textures path and counting up the objects and textures
beginning with "ju_". I have never given permission for my creations to be
on America's paths and hence we discover who the real theives are. I'm
still mulling over whether I should register the copyrights on my creations
and enforce my legal rights.

The whole thing is a perpetuation of the Just In - Broadway vs FriendPa -
NewYork "fued", which I wish could just be buried and forgotten.
Unfortunately those signs do nothing to allow me and the others concerned to
forget it. And my creations on America's path only adds insult to injury.

If Posh or Jetta lewis wish to ban me from their worlds, so be it - I
couldn't care less. But their false accusations and discredit of mine and
OneSummer's name is intolerable. I am unable to resolve this because AW has
refused to help, and both Jetta and Posh have filtered out my telegrams. If
you can telegram or speak to Jetta or Posh about removing the signs I would
appreciate it.

Regards, Justin

Jun 27, 2002, 10:07am

just in <Justin at nomail.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:3d1adc91 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Seeing Insanity falsely and unjustly discredited only highlights how some
> love to continue witchhunts based on their perceived understanding of
> things. Understandings that invariably turn out to be incorrect.
>
> This leads me to the never ending trash that I and OneSummer have to
endure
> at the hands of a few who happen to wield some influence, albeit
> dwindling...
>
> There are signs posted at the GZ of worlds America and Y2000 headed with
> "Warning to World Owners" which continues on to say that myself and
> OneSummer are banned, apparently using the excuse of us stealing avatars
> from their worlds.
>
> Truth is neither of us have stolen anything. Truth leads to OneSummer's
> good faith and trust in one person who had access to her object path in
> BluPearl world who loaded a total of two avatars onto her path, declaring
> them to be a gifts to her. As soon as it was confirmed that each were in
> fact stolen they were removed - and we would have thought it would be the
> end of the matter.
>
> Now here is the real truth. America world currently has over 300 objects
> and textures that I created on its paths. Evidence of this is proven by
> going to http://www.myactiveworlds.com/~america/ls.php? and listing either
> the Models or Textures path and counting up the objects and textures
> beginning with "ju_". I have never given permission for my creations to
be
> on America's paths and hence we discover who the real theives are. I'm
> still mulling over whether I should register the copyrights on my
creations
> and enforce my legal rights.
>
> The whole thing is a perpetuation of the Just In - Broadway vs FriendPa -
> NewYork "fued", which I wish could just be buried and forgotten.
> Unfortunately those signs do nothing to allow me and the others concerned
to
> forget it. And my creations on America's path only adds insult to injury.
>
> If Posh or Jetta lewis wish to ban me from their worlds, so be it - I
> couldn't care less. But their false accusations and discredit of mine and
> OneSummer's name is intolerable. I am unable to resolve this because AW
has
> refused to help, and both Jetta and Posh have filtered out my telegrams.
If
> you can telegram or speak to Jetta or Posh about removing the signs I
would
> appreciate it.
>
> Regards, Justin
>

To all that this matter may concerne,

I just decided to write a short answer here since myactiveworlds.com popped
up. I do not know what the "fight" is about and I wish to take no part. In
general I just think it is sad that people have to fight and argue in such a
small community as AW. Personally I have tried to enjoy my time in AW and
avoid all kind of fights as far as possible. I have been blueyed and
uploaded things to my personal object path that people has given to me as
their own; later I have found out they have not had the right to share them
and I have removed them. The object path that myactiveworlds.com provides I
have only uploaded regular aw objects (including megapath) , freebies I have
found on various sites and objects I or my close friends has made. Whatever
customers uploads to their own object paths we cannot monitor (except size
and file types) and we are not even interestind in snooping around in
peoples personal belongings. We wish though the everyone would respect
copyright laws and such.
If I can assist in any way to solve this matter between you, I am more than
glad to help, since I have no personal interest in this matter,well except
for I would wish for peace.

Best Regards Mikael Jansson aka Count Dracula ,myactiveworlds.com

Jun 27, 2002, 9:42pm

Then care to explain HOW you ( or one summer) took posession of an avatar that was MADE specifically
FOR the world Y2000 and used it in the world "BluPearl" This Avatar WAS in the world and also as an
object I as well as many others had SEEN it there....... considering it was made ONLY for that
world, I'm curious as to your explanations.......

Hmm...... got something that doesn't belong to you....... smells of dishonesty to ME

Jun 27, 2002, 9:46pm

And I happen to be quite privy TO those , shall we say, "colorful" telegrams you sent to Posh of
Y2000...... Worded quite menacingly, I'd say...

Cant do the time, don't do the crime.......

Oh yeah...... BTW....... you cant register copyrights AFTER the fact...... It doesn't work that
way...... research, my friend.... research

Jun 27, 2002, 10:01pm

Also, interesting that you bring this up NOW ( curious coincidence - Y2000 has been nominated for
multiple CY awards ) ... as opposed to MONTHS ago when it actually HAPPENED..... Trying to smear
people's opinion there a little bit, maybe ??

Jun 27, 2002, 10:13pm

Just In, you really do NOT want to go there with me. IT is very apparent to
me that birds of a feather do seem to flock together .. and no matter HOW
you want to JUSTIFY what you do to others..and make is sound so peachy..
that is just NOT the case. I am in no war with you or One Summer. I just
choose to state fact and keep you out of my world and not accept your nasty
beligerant teles anymore, thank God for this new option :) It is my right
as a world owner to post FACTS in my world, when you want to stroke the
check for it.. then you can post what you wish. You have been banned for a
very very long time for your personal lifestyle.. which we shall not go into
here.. and the fact that my world has a pg rating. YOU and PG do not
click.. and Summer because she is your number one supporter. AFTER and
beyond all this it was discovered by someone, that an av that is made
exclusively for my worlds by Lady Murasaki, was being used in BluPearl as an
avatar AND an object.. and was then as well shown to me that stolen avatars
have been an issue in this world. when Lady Murasaki and I approached
Summer about this.. we got numerous stories... lies. about it.. Lady
Murasaki and I were told at least 3 different stories including that these
items were created by a friend for her and that it was not the same item.
it was NOT removed until it was demanded to you to be done.. and then you
STILL would not remove it, you said, until you could compair meshes.. which
you said you did, found it to be one and the same and removed.. I still
wonder how YOU could compair the meshes of the one she had and one of Lady
Murasakis. I do not see your point of starting a new line of this.. so I
don't accept your teles.. so what? so I posted in my world you had stolen
items in that world that belonged to me? so what? its fact? Just In, go try
to be productive and quit trying to make issues that need not be made. YOU
got the sign posted in my world because you continued to harass me
neverending..about issues in America that I cannot control.. you brow beat
me over them constantly.. and anyone that you could. I did not go looking
for an issue with you, you created one..I will NOT talk to you and be
harrassed by you.. I prefer to spend my time in AW with positive measures.
so go be productive or something Just In. I did NOT state a single FALSE
STATEMENT.. what I have posted is absolute truth as we both know.. and as
other parties know... so sue me.



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Jun 28, 2002, 12:32am

Johnny B

Which part of my explanation of the events did you not understand?

For your information in both cases the issue was dealt with directly between
OneSummer and the creator of the avatars in question, Lady Murasaki and My
Two Keys. All details of how it came about that the two avatars were on
BluPearl's path, including who put them there, were given to the creators
for them to take any further action as they deemed fit. I helped OneSummer
find out who created the avatars and helped her to remove the avatars and
textures from BluPearl's path. OneSummer's initial reaction to being told
she had stolen the avatars was shock and disgust and upset. Perhaps
OneSummer handled the situation badly to begin with, nevertheless it was
resolved.

There was dishonesty, but not by either myself or OneSummer. OneSummer had
no experience in managing world paths and innocently put her trust in others
to help her with that. She was greatly saddened by the whole affair.

The owner of Y2000 knows all this, yet she still wants to point the finger
at myself and OneSummer. If she wants to dislike us and ban us from
entering Y2000, that is her choice. The sign she has at Y2000 GZ is the
issue and what needs to be resolved. The same goes with the sign at America
GZ.

Posh it is you that grammed me, and me that replied to your allegations. It
was you that would not listen to my explanations. And it was you that went
stirring the pot. Meanwhile the issues that I have remain unresolved.
Resolve the issues and I have no reason to complain.

Regarding the timing of my complaint? I have tried to let it go many many
times. Its when people come to me telling me about the "sign they read"
that frustrates me. OneSummer gets far more approaches of this, and each
time she is forced to explain and defend her actions and is reminded again
of the whole sad affair.

Regards, Justin


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Jun 28, 2002, 12:44am

<<<<<<<<<<Posh it is you that grammed me, and me that replied to your
allegations. It
was you that would not listen to my explanations. And it was you that went
stirring the pot. Meanwhile the issues that I have remain unresolved.
Resolve the issues and I have no reason to complain.>>>>>>>>>>

Well Just In..... as far as I am concerned this issue is resolved and I
won't be commenting on it in here further... or there.. or anywhere to
you... or with you :) All of us involved know how this went.. and how you
can make a pile of poo smell like a friggin rose :) end of subject for me..
I am not going to be involved in this bickering, better things to do :)
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Jun 28, 2002, 12:49am

I quote from M. Arthur Auslander, Auslander & Thomas-Intellectual Property
Law Since 1909, 505 Eighth Avenue, New York, NY 10018....

"Under the law a created "work" is protected under the copyright statute
from the moment of creation. The copyright protects the creative expression
in the work, not the ideas contained in it. Copyright registration enable
the enforcement of rights. The copyright is good for life plus 70 years. An
application must be filed within 100 years of the creation of the work."

Ref: http://www.intelproplaw.com/Copyright/Forum/msg/259.html

Full details can be gotten from http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html

The *only* person I have given licence to copy and display my work is
FriendPa in the world NewYork, and the only paths allowed to keep copies are
those specifically for NewYork world and no other world. *If* FriendPa
wishes to make alternative arrangements with me regarding this then she may
contact me to discuss it.

Regards, Justin

PS: This of course does not include the 100+ objects that I've created and
donated to the community, most of which are on the Alpha World path, but in
those cases the objects and textures are not preceded with the "ju_" prefix.


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Jun 28, 2002, 2:05am

Posh... How is the issue is resolved? The sign is still there and
reads...

"Attn. World Owners: Be advised - Just In and OneSummer of BluPearl &
Broadway Worlds, had our exclusive Anubis Avatar, made by Lady Murasaki,
OBVIOUSLY STOLEN, as an avatar AND object in their world and on their path."

Besides the fact that Broadway World never had that avatar on its path and I
am not an owner of BluPearl, the implication is that OneSummer stole it or
knew it was stolen, and that is clearly not the case as I have explained.

Remove the sign and my issue with you is resolved.

Regards, Justin


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Jun 28, 2002, 4:31am

Johnny, please feel free to copy to here any of the telegrams I wrote to
Posh. People will then know that every telegram I have written has been
solely written in my effort to resolve the problems that exist or answer to
misunderstandings. Generally speaking, I think I always remain good
tempered, in spite of sometimes the most horrendous incitement.

Meanwhile, Johnny, I doubt that Posh has shown you the insulting language
she has used against me, or worse still the total vulgarity that Jetta lewis
sent me after Posh told her fabrications to him.

Posh, what are you trying to achieve by displaying your sign? Is there
some way I can help or something I can do to resolve whatever problem you
have with me without your need to put up such a sign?

Regards, Justin


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Jun 28, 2002, 4:31am

Thanks Count,

I will try and contact you in AW regarding the copyrights issue.

Regards, Justin


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Jun 28, 2002, 1:22pm

"just in" <Justin at nomail.com> wrote in
news:3d1adc91 at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Seeing Insanity falsely and unjustly discredited only highlights how
> some love to continue witchhunts based on their perceived
> understanding of things. Understandings that invariably turn out to
> be incorrect.

Note that InSaNiTy has done a lot of crap that has reduced his credibility
to about nil.

KAH

Jun 28, 2002, 10:30pm

Hmmm.... he doesn't do himself big favours a lot of the time with the way he
handles certain situations, but his credibilty level I think varies
depending on who you talk to. For some it may have reduced to nil, for
others its merely taken a few knocks here and there.

Nobody's perfect.

Regards, Justin


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Jun 30, 2002, 3:35am

You know, um, just an observation, but why does every adversary of Just In
post every couple of words in caps? :)

SW Chris

Jun 30, 2002, 3:39am

Read all the posts here.. if I were to make a decision now... I'd say..
..Just In, drop it. Posh. lose the sign. Nobody's going to be hugging each
other, but at least you can bury it and it's a good compromise. And register
copyrights on those objects! ;)

SW Chris

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Jul 1, 2002, 1:48am

Thanks for the comments Chris...

I'd be glad to drop it as soon as I stop getting harassed by Poshes
cronies - Its Posh that wants to continue to be the bitch with her signs and
stubborn (idiotic) attitude. The same applies to Jetta lewis.

I'm disgusted to report that OneSummer had to endure whispered insults from
someone who managed to escape detection by changing their nick constantly
and then running off to hide. This was while participating in a community
event yesterday - the insults directly linked to the signs and other
comments made by Posh about me and OneSummer. People that have not been at
the receiving end of this bullying have no idea how upsetting it can be.
Add to that another report originating from Funny Girl (America World Public
Speaker) that Summer stole America world avatars! Total nonsense! But this
is what we must endure all the time.

If anyone feels that they can help to resolve this for us it would be
greatly appreciated. I can do nothing because my telegrams are filtered by
Posh et. al. and I am banned from both Y2000 and America worlds. PKs
wont/can't do anything because its out of their jurisdiction, and AWC refuse
to get involved with it.

On the copyrights issue - I *think* there might be a agreeable compromise
reached on that soon. Time will tell.

Regards, Justin


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Jul 3, 2002, 1:09am

I am pleased to report that America world is no longer breaching any
copyright.

I am even more pleased to report that the signs problem in Y2000 has been
resolved.

I also investigated what was said by Funny Girl and found she did not
originate any comments or rumours regarding myself or OneSummer, and what
she had said was taken out of context. I apologise to her for any
implication I made.

I hope Jetta lewis removes the sign he placed soon, which is the only
remaining issue I have.

I am sorry for any upset I caused or anything I did that made people feel I
was harrassing them - that was never my intention. Thankyou to those who
supported me or did anything to assist resolving these issues.

Regards, Justin


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Jul 3, 2002, 1:41am

I wonder sometimes why things happen and then afterwards I know why.
They are lessons put before us to remember and learn from them:)
Geeze...all of this resolution makes me feel all warm and fuzzy again:)

Jul 3, 2002, 2:39am

*smiles*

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Jul 3, 2002, 3:07am

I'm glad that virtually all of your issues have been resolved, Just In.
As some of you may or may not know, I host three bots in Broadway and
one bot in BluPearl (the "alleged" worlds that were on the sign in
Y2000). I have spoken with Just In and OneSummer on countless occasions
and, in my view, they have always reflected a positive attitude towards
things. I have never seen Just In complain and I see that OneSummer is
always trying to give back to the community by hosting various events.
Although I was not aware of these particular allegations, I am happy to
see almost everything has been patched up between the differing parties.
I cannot comment, however, on Just In's or OneSummer's prior history,
since I have not known them for an extended period of time. But judging
from time spent chatting with them in AW, I truly do believe this entire
matter was a grave misunderstanding. Just my two cents.

-Builderz

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