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Oct 31, 2001, 4:16pm

looks lik kmissile[weird number]k was right! the AWC have used the uni
greeting topromote AWBingo, which I think is wrong of them. also, a while
back they sent out a message about a birthday, which I thinkis a bit
unprofesionnal of them... here is the message displayed now:

"Immigration Officer: Welcome to Active Worlds 3.2! For the latest
information on 3.2, please see http://www.activeworlds.com/help/

AWBingo4 is now open!!! Join us for fun and prizes!!! :-)"

KAH

Oct 31, 2001, 4:23pm

Hi KAH,

I am responsible for both of those messages. If you can give me a valid
reason as to why you feel it is wrong or unprofessional I will stop doing
it.


Sincerely

Tom Fournier
Customer Service / Sales Manager
Activeworlds.com Inc.
95 Parker St.
Newburyport, MA 01950

www.activeworlds.com

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Oct 31, 2001, 5:12pm

I think it gives people some things to do? Winning prizes seems like a good
thing, doesn't it?

--Bowen--

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Oct 31, 2001, 6:00pm

Well, before someone had to run around and change all of the welcome messages on the AWC worlds. Now those can stay the same and the Universe message can be modified. I think this way is better than before.

-Agent1

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Oct 31, 2001, 7:34pm

Well, Personally I think that to a world owner whos paying for their
world, to have a message in there from AW telling them to go to another
world is free advertising and an attempt to remove people from worlds that
are paid for.

Normally for people to advertise in my world, there is a charge, whether
thats reciprocal advertising or being commercial a flat fee. I personally
object to having all the people coming into my world that I have paid for,
being told to go to another world before I can even get a message of my own
on their screen.

If however, you are prepared to offer me similar advertising ability in all
the AWCOM worlds for my worlds on a 24/7 basis for as long as you are
attempting to hijack people from my worlds to yours, or extend my license by
as many days as you run this advertising as payment for running advertising
in my world, then perhaps I wouldnt be so mad about forced advertising in my
worlds.

If you like to look at it another way.. I object to SPAM advertising in my
world by AWCOM.

Good enough reasons?

Moria


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Oct 31, 2001, 8:04pm

Thanks Moria, you said that very tactfully, something I have lost the
ability to do here. I'll just add that I have never thought the emphasis on
2d board games was a particularly good use for AW, and every bad use of AW
takes emphasis away from the good uses, which is why I don't go to the AW
worlds very frequently any more, and would just as soon not hear about the
activities they have going on there.

The message seems to be "The more you pay us the less we will insert
ourselves into your 'world'" and I guess this is a hint that world owners
should get their own uniserver, or get out of AW completely if they don't
like the "AW way."

The message is also formatted oddly, the World message wraps the second line
so that "Immigration officer remains exdented. The Universe message (if
that's what it is called) puts the second line up against the left margin
and there is a blank line in there too (maybe that's optional). The whole
thing comes out looking sloppy to me, no matter what it says.

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Oct 31, 2001, 8:09pm

Sound ideas to me. Perhaps running around to all the awcom worlds and
changing their world messages like it used to be done is the best way to do
it.
--
SW Chris
Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

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Oct 31, 2001, 10:40pm

Here's an idea that could solve the problem; and subsequently become
AWC's "Next Big Thing": NetWorlds^(TM)! Halfway between a World package and
a Uniserver, this package deal allows you to buy multiple worlds and
control all of them via a simple application. Not only would this allow
people with multiple worlds to manage them all better, but it would also
supply a Uniserver with a way of categorizing worlds (leading to a
categorized Worlds tab! woo!)

Plus, If something like this were in effect, then AWC could take all the
AWC-owned worlds and put them in an AWC NetWorld and then have a
NetWorld message that would be displayed before an individual world
message. Then, the Uniserver message could strictly be for Universe-wide
important announcements. (NOT advertisements)

Wow, I must have just sounded like JP there for a sec... That was scary!
*smirk*

[View Quote] > Sound ideas to me. Perhaps running around to all the awcom worlds and
> changing their world messages like it used to be done is the best way to do
> it.
> --
> SW Chris
> Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
> http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html
>
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Goober King
To know your enemy, you must *think* like your enemy!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Nov 1, 2001, 12:17am

Um... It's called a Solar Server. Not Networlds. =P
--
SW Chris
Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

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Nov 1, 2001, 1:01am

why is it unprofessional? aw runs awbingo so why
should they not promote it? they would promote the
cy awards in that message too. is that
unprofessional? was it a brithday of the staff or
a citizen? if it was staff its not that bad. you
dont want a company totally serious do you? that
would be boring.

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Nov 1, 2001, 2:55am

just has been fixed

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Nov 1, 2001, 5:35am

I think Moria has asnwered your reasons very well for why it's wrong and
unprofessional. At least in privately owned worlds. Unless it's limited to
AW worlds only then it shouldn't be used except for server problems etc type
messages.
Casay
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Nov 1, 2001, 11:43am

Hi Everyone,

Thank you for taking the time to read this post.

I greatly appreciate the constructive feedback you all have given on this
matter. My listing of the AWBingo's games was not intended to take away
from people visiting your worlds and I sincerely apologize if it had that
effect. Do to daylight savings the games started an hour earlier and I
thought the Universal greeting would be a good way to let people know. I
did not foresee the issues you now raise and if I had I would not have done
it. Again I apologize.

We will no longer use the Universal greeting to promote one of our contests
and the entire Activeworlds staff has been informed of this.

Thank you all again for your valuable feedback. As always it is greatly
appreciated.


Sincerely

Tom Fournier
Customer Service / Sales Manager
Activeworlds.com Inc.
95 Parker St.
Newburyport, MA 01950

www.activeworlds.com

Nov 1, 2001, 11:44am

Umm, if you have a business that isn't serious about things, then you
wind up with a company that isn't *competent* with things, which tends
to suck. Now, you could have a company that's serious about having fun,
and that wouldn't be boring at all. But if you're not serious about
anything, then you'll never get anywhere.

[View Quote] > why is it unprofessional? aw runs awbingo so why
> should they not promote it? they would promote the
> cy awards in that message too. is that
> unprofessional? was it a brithday of the staff or
> a citizen? if it was staff its not that bad. you
> dont want a company totally serious do you? that
> would be boring.
>
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Goober King
He's serious about seriousness!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Nov 1, 2001, 3:22pm

hi, I hope that I have not offenced you in any way, as I greatly appreciate
that you are working so closely to the community! Well, Moria said about all
there was to say before me, guess there's no reason to repeat that...
regarding the birthday, I don't mind at all that birthdays are announced,
but when it goes universe-wide it seems a bit weird, as long as all citizen
birthdays aren't announced it could also feel a bit like favoritism for some
people (especially if it's their birthday too or something like it). Thank
you for the understanding! :-))

KAH

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Nov 1, 2001, 5:26pm

Um, I think that's going a bit too far on the politically correct side of
things. Who's going to be offended by someone announcing a birthday? One
or two people who are full of themselves and self-important, but certainly
not a substantial number.

Flagg, you continue to announce birthdays with the Uniserver message. I
dont' mind. And I'm pretty sure nobody else here does, either ;)
--
SW Chris
Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

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Nov 1, 2001, 11:13pm

True, Bowen, but what if someone else is holding an event at the same
time? Who's going to hear about it when AW is advertising bingo to
the entire universe?

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Nov 1, 2001, 11:21pm

Welllll it is AW's product, they ultimately have the say over what's
advertised. But if the other people invite others I'm sure they won't leave
to just go play bingo, at least most people show respect like that :).

--Bowen--

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Nov 2, 2001, 12:59pm

Hi Everyone,

Thank you for taking the time to read this post.

Yesterday I made a post which stated, "We will no longer use the Universal
greeting to promote one of our contests and the entire Activeworlds staff
has been informed of this." I now must take a moment to correct myself.

Activeworlds is sensitive to the concerns expressed by its users and will
use more discretion in its use of the Universal greeting, however
Activeworlds may at times still use the Universal Greeting to diseminate
information in the AW Universe of important information and special events.

I understand that this may concern some world owners and I would just like
to take moment to assure you that the UMS feature will not be abused. As it
is, it has only been used twice since it's release.

I hope you all will be understanding of this and if you have additional
comments please feel free to contact me at Tom at activeworlds.com.


Sincerely

Tom Fournier
Customer Service / Sales Manager
Activeworlds.com Inc.
95 Parker St.
Newburyport, MA 01950

www.activeworlds.com

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Nov 2, 2001, 3:59pm

I think they rather should have a sign at AW GZ or perhaps a special world
for it, and perhaps let everyone have a chance of being announced (the more
profesional version, instead of just doing it for your personal friends, as
it is on the behalf of the company)

KAH

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Nov 2, 2001, 5:11pm

I don't care if birthdays are announced - what I object to is the announcing
of events. It takes away the hard work that people do to promote their own
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Nov 2, 2001, 6:04pm

I think that if you only advertise "big events" in it, that have already been advertised by other means, no problem should arise, as
most world owners will probably be aware that they should not hold events in their world at the same time... What would be bad would
be "surprise" events I guess.

Fox Mc Cloud

"flagg" <tom at activeworlds.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3be2c2ff$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Activeworlds is sensitive to the concerns expressed by its users and will
> use more discretion in its use of the Universal greeting, however
> Activeworlds may at times still use the Universal Greeting to diseminate
> information in the AW Universe of important information and special events.

Nov 2, 2001, 7:12pm

Hi Tom,

Your correction post mentions "and special events."

My personal opinion: the Universal message should be used only to notify users of technical things, i.e, "Building in AWCorp owned public worlds will be disabled from __ VRT until further notice while we (do whatever)."

I don't think it should ever be used to announce an event, no matter how special, or to wish anyone "happy birthday". Better to keep it very professional, dealing with technical announcements only. Events can be announced effectively enough on the awcommunity webpages or billboards at alphaworld gz and awgate. I agree with Moria that using the universal message to announce events is not a good idea.

Lara

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Nov 3, 2001, 7:21am

Err... it´s solitary server
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Nov 3, 2001, 1:24pm

and Goober King was talking of something new, not the SolServer...

KAH

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Nov 3, 2001, 10:15pm

I didn't even know there was one already. What does it do? *shrug*
--
SW Chris
Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
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Nov 4, 2001, 1:16pm

nobody lol, it was an idea for the future lol

KAH

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Nov 18, 2001, 2:43am

Well...how's everyone feel about the Cy Ceremony being announced like an
hour before the show?
Or any of the events we will be running during the month of January?
If the majority wants at least the Lifetime Achievements ceremony announced
an hour before, can we do it please Flagg?
Everyone please respond with your input so The Cys don't cause any
commotion:)
BTW...new calender with a month of Cy activities is now up at
www.awcommunity.org/cyawards

Thanks!
Bit:)

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Nov 18, 2001, 4:11am

how are the CY awards more important than any other event(s)? surely you
wouldn't want to disrupt activeworld's sensitive side which yields to the
concerns expressed by their users?

goodness gracious...



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Nov 18, 2001, 4:58am

IMHO, the points Moria made apply no matter what the event is. I think the Universal Message should be treated absolutely professionally and reserved for technical announcements. I don't think exceptions should be made for events of any kind. How the universal message is used should certainly not be decided by vote. There are plenty of ways to get the word out about events - the awec calendar, activeworlds newsletter, and even billboards at aw gz and the gate.

I know the CY awards are dear to your heart, Bit. You and others work so hard on them and have made them quite a show. The CY ceremony is a popular event and draws a big crowd anyway. The word will get out and around just fine without taking advantage of the universal message. :) I really think that feature should be treated in a completely business-like way, not as some kind of reminder.

Lara

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