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Sep 14, 2001, 3:25pm

Immigration Officer: Welcome To Memorial. Our concerns and prayers go out to
the citizens of New York City, Washington DC and all those affected.
Memorials and thoughts can be made and left: stay on path and walk north of
Ground Zero.
Nathan: he had another few signs here
Nathan: that were toally unacceptable
WoLfDawn o: k
Operator: You have a telegram.
Firewalkwithme: what did they say
Firewalkwithme: ?
Artillo: HEYYYY jUSTIN DID U JUST BOT COPY THIS OVER FROM bw?
Nathan: somnehing about the CNN news coverage being faked
Nathan: or something
Operator: You have a telegram.
Wolfmandc: All I see is a black screen!
OneSummer: morning hugsssss Artillo please feel free to make a rememberance
north of gz here
Just In: no Art
Artillo: O OK THIS IS DIFF
Artillo: gotcha
Operator: You have a telegram.
"GlitterGiRL": hey
Artillo: I will be on vacation all next week
Nathan: Anyway that guy was a complete fool. and I am glad he is gone
Artillo: in Cape Cod
Nathan: Welcome Glittergirl!
TexaBit: What I am finding is anything can offend anyone...the perspective
and recognition that different people express themselves differently really
needs to be considered thru all this....
"GlitterGiRL": :)
Wolfmandc: People's names nto Are nothing but black
"GlitterGiRL": Texa? Hey it`s me Fiona from OW :)
TexaBit: People act differently under emotional stress also....it could be a
calling for hepl for themselves
Exenvoid: Your country is strong of heart & souls .... the test ahead is to
find the way through this without becoming your enemy. Your enemy is being
dealt with by your absolutions , not your fears.
TexaBit: Hi Fiona!...Nice to meet you!:)....huggggs;)
Artillo: hi Exen
Exenvoid: hi Artillo, nice to se you
"GlitterGiRL": Hey Argon! LOL
TexaBit: Hi Nathan:)
Nathan: hi Texie :)
Exenvoid: our electric mouths are shut
TexaBit: Danadai...is this not a gathering place for folks to learn to cope
during all this?
Exenvoid: only my thoughts seep through
"GlitterGiRL": I just wana tell everyone that my VR sister is in New York
now,helping people :)
Nathan: awesome glitter
Just In: thanks for your message Agent Orange - its now been posted on the
Memorial Wall
Agent Orange: thx just in
TexaBit: I wish to bring to peoples attention also that we have our children
here who have great fears....they are confused...they need us who have gone
thru similar events to help them thru...guide them
Firewalkwithme: Many of us have become "the enemy" by wanting to attack
anyone who looks like they came from the east.
"GlitterGiRL": hehe Pangea in OW
TexaBit: I know Bodhi a bit...and this is NOT like him....he is struggling
thru something
Nathan: Bah
TexaBit: We need to have alot of compassion and help others thru this
Nathan: I have zero tolerance for traitors to decency
Artillo: looks great summer
Nathan: Defacing a memorial is as low as low can be
OneSummer: thanks Artillo
Nathan: Its like spray painting someones grave
Prankster: hey
Artillo: I gotta go I got lunch coming
Just In: hi Prankster
Aveline: I am sorry to be so dence - but I CANNOT find the oy!
OneSummer: ok
TexaBit: Nathan....what do YOU think Bodhi was actually saying in his
defacing?
Artillo: bye yalllll peace and take care
Artillo: (((( HUGZZZ mooomooooo))))
Just In: you joined me while I was close to a wall
OneSummer: thanks peace to you
Prankster: ya
TexaBit: Folks....look beyond the expressions here...please
Nathan: TexaBit: he was spreading wild rumours bashing on the integrity of
american journalism
WoLfDawn o: hey Ave!!!! hugs
Aveline: Hey DAWN!
Just In: If you would like to leave a small simple text message, send your
words in a telegram (or whisper) to me and it will be added on the Memorial
Wall
Nathan: Saying that some of CNNs news coverage was doctored or fake
OneSummer: thanks so my Wofmandc so very nice to see you as well
WoLfDawn o: how are ya doing Sis?
Just In: If you would like to build your own memorial, there are special
plots available in either small or large sizes
TexaBit: I wish I had been here....because I would bet my rep on what i
beleive was not meant to harm....but to deal and cope
Nathan: Wulfgar: in this case he was dead wrong
Aveline: If Bhodi believew that CNN is being biased - he has EVERY RIGHT to
say so -
BinaryBud: what he posted? no way
BinaryBud: not in here
Nathan: Aveline: not here, this is a memorial
Danaidae ZG: not here
BinaryBud: here's my take on CNN......
TexaBit: BB I love you dearly....but look outside the box.....was there any
chance that his emotiona were trying to be released and he just didnt use
proper tact?
Wolf Eyes: Hi Danaidea
Nathan: As bad as this tragedy has been, its no excuse for losing all form
of rational thought and acting out like a child.
Bodhi: Aveline not in this world I dont
BinaryBud: they proolly used some old tape showing them celebrating, because
they havenoone in the country now to film it....so they used old tape to
portray whats going on right now..... nothing wrong with that....prolly
said "file tape" on the thing too.....
Danaidae ZG: he is fine...his puter is sick however :(
Wolf Eyes: awww
Danaidae ZG: hi Wolf Eyes :)
Nathan: well BB
Just In: Aveline left
Danaidae ZG: hehe maille
OneSummer: Many people are shocked and hurt. Some messages left may
shock.Memmorial World does not neccessarily support all the sentiments
portrayed here. All of us at Active Worlds offer our deepest sympathies to
all touched by this tragedy.
Nathan: Yassar Arafat has said he is disgusted at what his people are doing
Nathan: so obviously
Immigration Officer: These messages are new since you scrolled back:
Nathan: he has seen them celebrating
TexaBit: Bodhi.......hugggggggggs...how are ya doin sweetie?
BinaryBud: point is political statements do not belong here
Nathan: and its really happening
Danaidae ZG: nothing major....power source went out...under warrantee....get
it back tomorrow
Nathan: Bodhi just wants to upset people.
Wolfmandc: Wulfgar its no only allowed its a constituional right that Men
fought and died for ! How ever you also have the right to disagree with its
presentation!
Firewalkwithme: It there an object yard here?
Wolf Eyes: that;s good
Nathan: People like him are known as "trolls" in the message board and chat
room communities
BinaryBud: "sweetie"
Just In: okay people - lets drop it please
Bodhi: BinaryBud yep thats what I expect from a dictator
OneSummer: Please let us all remember why we are here
Nathan: They go from place to place sowing seeds of discord
WoLfDawn o: Nathan, has it occurred to you that maybe he was hurt too??
Danaidae ZG: and he's going sailing tomorrow...so he wont miss it till he
gets back
BinaryBud: your a bonehead if you do not relize what i just said
Just In: Firewalk - the is a teleporter right by GZ to the object yard
Wolf Eyes: lol Daniadae
Immigration Officer: These messages are new since you scrolled back:
TexaBit: Bodhi...its me AlphaBit...can we talk please?
Nathan: What am I doing?
BinaryBud: it was ALL fact so they used an old tape what the hell does
that have to do with FACTS
TexaBit: Are you ok sweetie?
Nathan: Who did I say i hate?
Just In: people please - enough politics
Wolf Eyes: You are showing hatred towards Bohdi
Bodhi: I have nothing to say My stuff was deleted thats the fact of it
OneSummer: wb Garnet
TexaBit: What did your stuff say?
Just In: If you would like to leave a small simple text message, send your
words in a telegram (or whisper) to me and it will be added on the Memorial
Wall
OneSummer: your most welcome
BinaryBud: your a moron Bodhi it was deleted rightly
Aveline: Bhodi - What did you say that was deleted? I would like to know -
it seems to me we all should say what we feel.
Just In: If you would like to build your own memorial, there are special
plots available in either small or large sizes
Nathan: Wolf Eyes: Sowing discord and ignorance is something to be hated.
Firewalkwithme: Who are we to decide how everyone should handle this
situation?? people greaive differently.
Firewalkwithme: sp
Bodhi: it said : CNN USING 1991 FOOTAGE of celebrating Palistinians to
Wolf Eyes: And you arent doing that now?
Nathan: No Wolf Eyes
OneSummer: maybe you need to reboot then
Nathan: I have spoken only the truth
Bodhi: with a click top a site
Wolf Eyes: I feel sorry for you then
TexaBit: Thats all?
Aveline: Bhodi - if that is true - we should know it --
Exenvoid: Somewhere out there are those who dance around a garden of madness
where democracy is considered a weed, but this is not the place to voice
this reality .... it is a place of rememberance is it not?
BinaryBud: but not here!
WoLfDawn o: I am sorry you have been treated this way. I kinda understand
what you're saying. Trying to keep and open mind about everything and them
condemning you on your thoughts is wrong, period
Aveline: and - even if Palestinians are clebrting now - we should be carful
how that effects OUR actions
Bodhi: CNN USING 1991 FOOTAGE of celebrating Palistinians to manipulate
u ---- create sign bcolor=red; activate url
http://de.indymedia.org/2001/09/7454.html
OneSummer: I would reboot your computer
King Tex: I am more offended by people placing burning towers here than
anything else
Exenvoid: Your garden of hope cannot be removed from this earth ,... it will
simply grow again
OneSummer: hello Trishia o please feel free to make a rememberance north of
gz here
Nathan: Tex: that kind of upset me too
King Tex: it is a trvesty to do that in my opinion
TexaBit: See folks.....alot is going to offend alot here........please just
accept others beliefs and opinions!:(
Just In: what is it with you? can't you see you are inflaming people with
the way you are saying your message?
Bodhi: I am not allowed to say this here but ---- CNN USING 1991 FOOTAGE of
celebrating Palistinians to manipulate you ---- create sign bcolor=red;
activate url http://de.indymedia.org/2001/09/7454.html
Wolf Eyes: Well put TexaBit
Just In: okay - thats it - one more time and you will be ejected
OneSummer: Many people are shocked and hurt. Some messages left may
shock.Memmorial World does not neccessarily support all the sentiments
portrayed here. All of us at Active Worlds offer our deepest sympathies to
all touched by this tragedy.
Bodhi: (to Just In) cant you just be unbias for once
TexaBit: One Summer......I am going to remove my card here and not step foot
in this world again if Bodhi is not given the respect to voice his opinion
here...whats your decision?
McGavin: Hey Wolf eyes
Wolf Eyes: Hi McGavin
Exenvoid: Bodhi sings from a different branch in a strange tree that our
hopes do not need to hear is all .....
Just In: I am unbiased and I hate the random attacks against innocent
palestinians as much as you
Just In: your message is valid...
Just In: your delivery is tactless and hurtful
TexaBit: brb its in my other account
Exenvoid: Somethings always sing from else we sit,... the night is full of
them
OneSummer: I would like to remine everyone today is a day of prayer and
rememberance
Bodhi: I have just been threatened with ejection if I say this truth one
more time so here goes --- CNN USING 1991 FOOTAGE of celebrating
Palistinians to manipulate you ---- create sign bcolor=red; activate url
http://de.indymedia.org/2001/09/7454.html
McGavin: Bohdi, it's wildly inappropriate to hand out that link in a
memorial world
Nathan: Bodhi take it elsewhere
OneSummer: that is what what we are doing here
Immigration Officer: You have been ejected from memorial
Immigration Officer: Killing in retaliation will not bring back those who
died, Let us not forget the sanctity of ALL life... Welcome to Symbolic.
www.symbolicdreamtime.homestead.com Email: Bodhi at zoomgazoo.com
Immigration Officer: You have been ejected from memorial
Operator: You have a telegram.

Telegram from JIN, sent 2 minutes ago:
Hi ,:)

Operator: You have a telegram.

Telegram from AlphaBit Phalpha, sent just now:
Tex and i have removed our cards in protest of you not being allowed to
voice your opinion.....thank you for standing up for your rights:)

Sep 14, 2001, 6:23pm

The source article is at

> http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=63454&group=webcast

It is already a repost. There is no proof for the facts
described in this article there, so everyone should make
up his own mind.

There is one thing quite strange about indymedia.org, they
do not have a whois record.

Decide yourself what you can believe and what you doubt, I
tend to doubt many things that the press tells me in the
last few days and try to find other sources with more
informations. Especially I believe that the press does not
send all informations and often found more informations
by just trying links (www.kreml.org was disappointing, nearly
no english pages there).



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Sep 14, 2001, 6:39pm

can't say that I believe it... just some stupid ppl that wanna make
trouble... has a videotape from 91, yeah, right! not too much proof in that,
but it wasn't nice to eject for it, though... (to Bodhi) and reply to your
own thread, don't start another one, and those 12kb of chat log didn't tell
us anything, you should've told us what the matter was, but as allways
Ananas has the answer :-))

KAH

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Sep 14, 2001, 7:22pm

It was me who sent the first link to Bodhi yesterday, without
commenting if there's proof. It was given to me by a RL-friend.
I found some more quite confusing theories about the role
of Laden and secret services. But I guess it's better if
everyone does the recherches for himself, I don't want to cause
more trouble than I already did by sending this de.indymedia.org
link to Bodhi and some others.

I thought that this link would calm down the hatred against
the palestinians - IMO they are not evil, just few of them
are.

The pictures about the celebrating people were sent in germany
at least 50 times on this and I think the press did a bad job.
Independant from the truth it was not good to show only these
few and not those who were in shock.
We had propaganda like this against a race or religion in
history and we should all be aware about this sad past.


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Sep 14, 2001, 7:26pm

kah it IS still a free world - I'll post what I like while it is... Get a
decent computer and maybe you wouldn't need to complain sooooo much... :)
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Sep 14, 2001, 7:49pm

Yes, the best thing to do is to get your information from several different
outlets. That way if one is pulling the wool over your eyes you will be
able to tell.
--
Chris
Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

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Sep 14, 2001, 9:22pm

I complain because you are being foolish... there wouldn't be much point in
showing false pictures of celebrating folks anyway... AND some Arab world
leaders have expressed concerns because of these people, they aren't happy
about them, they're just anti-americans, they'll regret it anyway later
on...

KAH

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Sep 15, 2001, 6:25am

I agree 100% Ananas. Not all Palastinians, Muslims, Islamic people or Arabs
as a whole are evil. Just a few of them are. Same goes for some Americans
and people all over the world.

In responce to the alleged CNN coverage of Palistinians celebrating:
I do not understand and never have how people, any people, could have such a
hatred for another. I do not understand how any organization or group could
justify the killing of inoccent people and call it 'collateral damage'. I
can see how recent generations of some of these groups of people would be
frustrated, angry, feel abused, have no hope and see us as bullies. It
greatly upsets me to hear different groups of people think that this is a
terrible tragedy but also think that it's something that's been a long time
coming. They do not seem as shocked as I am. I can picture CNN coverage of
Americans waving American flags in responce to a military victory. Just try
to keep in mind the 'collateral damage' that went along with it. :-(

Our recent tragedy unfortunately is a monumental example of things that have
been going on all over the world for a very long time. It seems to be a tit
for tat game whether it be Israel & Palestine (and most every other Arab
nation at one time or another), Great Britian & the IRA, USA and several
groups over the years etc... This game needs to stop. I can only hope and
pray that somehow, someway, we as a human race decide that terrorism and
wars in general only hurts and rarely solves anything. As an American, I do
not want the world to think of us as the bullies of the world. I do not want
to see my fellow Americans attacking other Americans because they are Muslim
or _____ ( fill in the blank)

I hope and pray that the lives of those lost in this terrible tragedy will
not be wasted and their sacrifice steers us on a course toward a more
peaceful and tolerant world. Yes, I have high hopes....

I do not believe that if we go into X country and invade it will solve the
overall problems of terrorism. Sure, we could disrupt this network or that
but it only drives people further underground and increases the hatred. The
only long term solution is to work toward removing the hate that drives it
and humanity working together to solve those problems.

From a statement in the press today about the world coalition against
terrorism that really bothers me....

"If there is an attempt to bring Syria and Arafat into the coalition, then
that is a problem," an Israeli official said."

Yes, it is a problem if we decide that we are not willing as a world to work
together no matter what the past & current differences. Hey, Russia & the
USA are doing it! :-) A common goal goes a long ways toward removing hate,
building trust and moving forward. This is an unprecedented opportunity for
everyone in the world if it's done right. I hope, as an American I can
someday say that it was my country that lead the way.

end of my .02
Casay

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Sep 15, 2001, 10:17am

don't get me wrong, what I meant was that those anti-american at sses are just
a tiny minority, they have no influence...

KAH

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Sep 15, 2001, 12:37pm

ok, here's the real truth...
http://www.urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa091101aa.htm

KAH

Sep 15, 2001, 2:15pm

Yep, I was one of those that reported that story to them asking them to
research it and put the info in their site. Looks like many others did too.
Thanks for posting the link so soon after they put the info on it.
Casay
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Sep 15, 2001, 4:20pm

Tell that to the Talaban, which is going to ground as we speak. This thing
isn't over, and when it finally is, there's going to be a very long and
bloody trail behind us. Terrorists are not something anyone has ever tried
to eradicate before, and the only way to figure out how to face them is to
engage them at point blank range. -_-

If there are any Afghans reading this, don't take what the Talaban has said
at face value. Its leaders can be just as biased as American leaders. The
old saying is true. Power currupts, and those in power may want to do
anything to drum up support for their side, including lying to the local
populace. Look at how the rest of the world is reacting and look at the
facts. Then draw your conclusions from there. The United States and its
allies do not want to wage a holy war on Islam. They simply want to strike
at terrorism and disorganize it, and destroy it if possible. Terrorists are
not Muslims, I'm told by some Muslim leaders here in the US, because they
destroy life instead of protect it.

SW Chris

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Sep 15, 2001, 4:54pm

Taliban sayd they'd attack their neighbouring countries if they support the
US... so we can expect Afghanistan to be blown to pieces, as if they do, the
USA and the UN probably will attack, and if they should happen to attack
Pakistan (that are very pro USA) they could get nuked too... a bit scary,
but since all the big countries that generally are dangereous in a war are
on the same side a world war wouldn't really be to fear :-))

KAH

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Sep 15, 2001, 11:54pm

I don't know if the Taliban realizes this, but ALL their neighbors have
nuclear weapons.... They don't.

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Sep 16, 2001, 1:16am

No, only Pakistan has them. That we know of. *grimace*

And Pakistan is not very pro-USA. They're on the fence because there are
many pressure groups that are Pro-afghanistan.

SW Chris

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Sep 16, 2001, 4:56am

Ah good. They gave all their support to the USA for at least the first
retaliation.

SW Chris

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Sep 16, 2001, 2:26pm

exactly... I can't understand why they rather wanna risk being nuked to
pieces instead of just capturing and surrendering Osama Bin Laden...

KAH

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Sep 16, 2001, 7:35pm

We're not going to use nukes.. That would definitely initiate World War 3.
But we'll see about Osama. :) Pakistan is sending a delegation on Monday
to demand the turning over of Osama bin Laden or face strategic strikes and
overthrow of the Talaban.

SW Chris

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Sep 17, 2001, 1:35pm

maybe not the US... but you have to remember that Pakistan is Afghanistan's
next door neighboor, but I don't think they'd like being attacked very
much...

KAH

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Sep 17, 2001, 1:50pm

They're on our side so far. So nothing to worry about.
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Chris
Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
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Sep 17, 2001, 5:01pm

yes, I meant *THEY* could nuke Afghanistan if they tryed a funny move...

KAH

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Oct 7, 2001, 3:53pm

As Nathan said... "Take it elsewere...."

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Oct 7, 2001, 4:17pm

response below...

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JTech Web Systems
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[View Quote] So you're saying we shouldn't attack them, and take out their ability to do
something worse? We're just supposed to be nice to them, and start cataring
to them so they won't hate us anymore? Just because we're the biggest
county, doesn't mean we have to use our resources to appease everyone else.
No, it's the other way arround. They need to be dethly afraid of pissing us
off. Maby if we attack them, and they see we mean business, other countries
will be doing more to keep us happy (ie: not killing 6,000 of our people,
disrupting our stock market, destorying to 2 landmark building, leaving
thousands of childen parentless/wise, husbands widowed... the list goes
on....).

> From a statement in the press today about the world coalition against
> terrorism that really bothers me....
>
> "If there is an attempt to bring Syria and Arafat into the coalition, then
> that is a problem," an Israeli official said."
>
> Yes, it is a problem if we decide that we are not willing as a world to
work
> together no matter what the past & current differences. Hey, Russia & the
> USA are doing it! :-) A common goal goes a long ways toward removing hate,
> building trust and moving forward. This is an unprecedented opportunity
for
> everyone in the world if it's done right. I hope, as an American I can
> someday say that it was my country that lead the way.
>
> end of my .02
> Casay
>
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Oct 8, 2001, 4:57am

First off, Jerme, thank you for dredging up a thread that's almost a
month old! We're so appreciative :P

Secondly, it must be nice to be a teenager and know everything. Bullying
the world into doing our bidding makes us no better than the terrorists.
We're not in this to "terrorize" people so they don't attack us anymore,
we're in this so that *they* don't terrorize anyone anymore. We're not
going in with guns blazing, kicking ass, and taking names; we're doing
this discretely, precisely, and methodically, and while it may be a slow
process, it will prove the most effective.

I'm not saying we shouldn't bring bin Laden and others of his ilk to
justice, but going in there thinking that we're the "big bad america"
and kicking people around just because we can is *not* the answer.

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