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Sep 1, 2001, 6:56am

This is a Message to EVERYONE...
I'm really sorry if i have been a menace in the news-groups...
The first time i posted everyone went crazy at me... i didnt know the Rules
that you cant post in HTML,and im sorry about that...
Im just sorry for being a Mennace in the newsgroups...
I Just want people to actely listen to my posts...

(((((((((((((((((HUGZ)))))))))))))))))
And Sorry
From R y a n

Sep 1, 2001, 7:26am

Ryan,
personally i feel an appology like this shows such maturity!!! I am
soooooo proud of you!!!! and I dont even know you!
a wise woman told me today.... "No bad guys in AW.. just good folks who
sometimes do bad things" i will add that maybe sometimes people are fast to
judge others without stopping to ask the person why they do things.
personally I feel sorry for you, now knowing you didnt know the rules on
html. but chin up sweetie, tomorrow's sun will bring us all a new day
Huggz Donna

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Sep 1, 2001, 7:29am

Thanks donn!
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Sep 1, 2001, 12:14pm

Hey buddy.. I don't care if u post in HTML, it don't bother me at all..
actually.. I don't know why people bitch about it.. but.. I guess thats just
me.. anyway.. u weren't a menace lol.. trust me..

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Lanezeri
Lead Bot Programmer at Stuff-X
http://aw.stuff-x.com

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Sep 1, 2001, 7:47pm

Maybe it is time to put this issue with Ryan to bed, I talked to
Ryan last night, he tells me he 11 years old. I personally disagree with
warez sites (I found out what they were only last night) but this is a child
for goodness sake!!! has any one of us ever done anything wrong when we were
kids? I interpret Ryan's 1st response to EEP's post as a childish way of
defending his self. I saw his apology as a much more mature way to handle
what he did wrong. I saw that anana's (whom I believe a decent human being)
had mentioned cross posting. What the heck is that? And am I doing this
also?
Donna

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Sep 1, 2001, 7:50pm

crossposting means posting the same post to several NGs at the time. right
now you did it as well... generally, you don't crosspost in NGs where the
post is off-topic, and crossposting in general can be regarded as bad...
when replying to a crossposted post, remove the additional NGs in the
"Newsgroups"/"To" field. :-))

KAH

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Sep 1, 2001, 7:52pm

Fucking newbies...

[View Quote] > Maybe it is time to put this issue with Ryan to bed, I talked to
> Ryan last night, he tells me he 11 years old. I personally disagree with
> warez sites (I found out what they were only last night) but this is a child
> for goodness sake!!! has any one of us ever done anything wrong when we were
> kids? I interpret Ryan's 1st response to EEP's post as a childish way of
> defending his self. I saw his apology as a much more mature way to handle
> what he did wrong. I saw that anana's (whom I believe a decent human being)
> had mentioned cross posting. What the heck is that? And am I doing this
> also?
>
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Sep 1, 2001, 9:01pm

Crossposting is placing one message into several groups.
You did it by replying to a message that is crossposted,
in this case to all 6 open groups on this server.
Your reply appeared in all newsgroups, I removed 4 of them
from the address list so this reply will only appear in 2
groups.
Crossposting is annoying in most cases but if you do not
check the list for each message you reply to it will occur
sometimes although you don't wanted to do it.

In most cases browser recognize crossposted messages and
will mark them "read" in all groups once you have read
it in one of them.

Most people crosspost to "Bots" and "SDK" because they
cannot decide which of them would be the best place for
their message. This can be useful in few cases and is
done by adding a second (third ...) group name to the
receipient list.


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Sep 1, 2001, 9:32pm

well he came in seemingly with no intent except to
spam i mean he even said he wasnt gonna reply
which i take it as "im advertising and leaving so
dont bother" and html posts take a long time to
load its not something id bitch about just would
ask the person to stop

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Sep 1, 2001, 9:35pm

cross posting is when someone posts the same thing
in different ngs... basically making people read
the same thing over an dover in each ng and making
it look unread when it is actually not... i dont
complain but it does bug the heck out of me

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Sep 1, 2001, 9:37pm

ananas at the risk of sounding really dumb here, I don't quite get it. to
reply to a post, what i am doing is clicking reply group. Is this the
incorrect way? NG is still confusing to me, has anyone writted a tuitorial
for it yet? if so i would love to see it. Huggz Donna
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Sep 1, 2001, 9:46pm

I have no idea how it works in Outlook. In most news readers
you have a header area with some receipient fields, these are
already filled if you hit "reply".
Check these fields if they contain more than one receipient -
or more than one group name - and edit the line(s) if needed.

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Sep 1, 2001, 9:55pm

If you are allowed to talk like you do, then I will interpret what
I believe your meaning is in your choice of words. Poor EEP, you just has
no people skills at all :( so sad .. what a huge handicap for you.But I
really do like to help people out so this is how I interpret your meaning to
be.......
"hello new people, I am irritated by your not knowing how to work this NG,
please get someone to help you out" <shrugs> Donna (AKA now as
EEPinterpretress)
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Sep 1, 2001, 9:57pm

Hi KAH, what field are you referring to please. Where do I find it at
please? Huggz Donna
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Sep 1, 2001, 10:00pm

the one that has the name of the newsgroup in NS
its called group

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Sep 1, 2001, 10:46pm

<chuckle> I have "people skills" with people I deem WORTHY enough to have people skills with, Donna. If you act like an incompetent twit, well, I have no patience for you. <shrug> Evolve and perhaps I'll think you're worth relating to.

[View Quote] > If you are allowed to talk like you do, then I will interpret what
> I believe your meaning is in your choice of words. Poor EEP, you just has
> no people skills at all :( so sad .. what a huge handicap for you.But I
> really do like to help people out so this is how I interpret your meaning to
> be.......
> "hello new people, I am irritated by your not knowing how to work this NG,
> please get someone to help you out" <shrugs> Donna (AKA now as
> EEPinterpretress)

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Sep 2, 2001, 12:07am

<Shrug> your opinion, eep is of no importance to me. I see it this
way myself, You may know a lot more about AW than most people do, but how
valuable are you really? What is your true worth to our community? . you
said "I have "people skills" with people I deem WORTHY" My opinion is that
you and a few others that are like you are keep new people from immigrating
into our community with the rudeness you use by making fun of people when
you see a weakness in them. so what is your worth to the community EEP?
Minimal at best! EEp i look forward to the day that a NICE person with
brains joins our community, or better yet, maybe rick (who I have always
called Jeff for some reason), and JP will realize just what your true worth
is and put a stop to your constant badgering and tormenting of the
tourist's and new people!!!! EEp i ask you to please please leave the
kids alone at least, a 11 or 12 year old does not have the maturity to deal
with your demeaning, senseless chat.
respectfully (as i can possibly feel at
this moment) Donna
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Sep 2, 2001, 12:15am

I got it now ananas, The dereck (a future genius) and wing helped me
and i see the box. there are so just so darn many boxes to deal with lol ,
slowly but surely, I find myself understanding the NG better
< smiles warmly> Donna
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Sep 2, 2001, 1:29am

Oh please...what the HELL does an 11-year-old add to the community? What has Ryan added so far aside from off-topic crossposts and (most likely) a badly built (IF he's even built anything) house or something even less recognizable as anything of substance? Puh-LEAZE. If you don't know what I've added to this so-called "community", perhaps a trip to my AW website (http://tnlc.com/eep/aw/) will clue you in a bit, Miss Newbie.

[View Quote] > <Shrug> your opinion, eep is of no importance to me. I see it this
> way myself, You may know a lot more about AW than most people do, but how
> valuable are you really? What is your true worth to our community? . you
> said "I have "people skills" with people I deem WORTHY" My opinion is that
> you and a few others that are like you are keep new people from immigrating
> into our community with the rudeness you use by making fun of people when
> you see a weakness in them. so what is your worth to the community EEP?
> Minimal at best! EEp i look forward to the day that a NICE person with
> brains joins our community, or better yet, maybe rick (who I have always
> called Jeff for some reason), and JP will realize just what your true worth
> is and put a stop to your constant badgering and tormenting of the
> tourist's and new people!!!! EEp i ask you to please please leave the
> kids alone at least, a 11 or 12 year old does not have the maturity to deal
> with your demeaning, senseless chat.
> respectfully (as i can possibly feel at
> this moment) Donna
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Sep 2, 2001, 4:25am

No. You're doing fine. It's not your fault! =) You can't crosspost unless
you knowingly do it or reply to a thread that is crossposted. No worries.

SW Chris


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Sep 2, 2001, 6:24am

Hmm... let's assess your supposed value to the community, shall we?

1. Created a website that contains vast amounts of information
concerning modeling and RWX commands
2. Created (with the help of others) two very detailed, reality-based worlds
3. Avid contributor to newsgroup discussions and debates

Now, is your website extremely helpful to those trying to learn the
finer points of modeling? It is indeed. Are your worlds one of a kind
and worthy of multiple CYs? I'd certainly say so.

However, if these worlds were to suddenly disappear, and your website to
go down, (as it did a few years ago) what exactly would the effect be?
Would people be left scrambling, trying to fill the void you left
behind? Would people be clamoring and petitioning to bring your works
back? Frankly, I think the only thing people would miss would be your
presence here in the NGs.

The phrase "actions speak louder than words" comes to mind when I think
of you, Eep, for you are merely a man of words, not action. Yes, your
site and worlds have added to this community, but every time you have a
gripe, every time you have some chip on your shoulder, you do nothing
but complain. I have yet to see you see you actually act on your
complaints in order to enact change.

Don't like newbies posting in the NGs? Perhaps you could write up a
NG-FAQ for people to read in order to learn what to do and not to do.
Don't like how AWC runs things? Perhaps you could try dropping the
attitude just long enough to actually converse with Rick and Co on a
professional level and see how far you get. (You might be surprised) And
I don't recall seeing you step up to the plate when the Union idea was
getting tossed around...

The fact is, until you start doing more than just complain, then your
"value" to this community will continue to diminish until all that's
left is a little gold statue that says "Eep: Can't live with him, Can't
live without him"...

[View Quote] > Oh please...what the HELL does an 11-year-old add to the community? What has Ryan added so far aside from off-topic crossposts and (most likely) a badly built (IF he's even built anything) house or something even less recognizable as anything of substance? Puh-LEAZE. If you don't know what I've added to this so-called "community", perhaps a trip to my AW website (http://tnlc.com/eep/aw/) will clue you in a bit, Miss Newbie.
>
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Goober King
ActiveWorlds Stock Exchange: EEP / Last Trade: 5.4 / Change: -3.1
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Sep 2, 2001, 8:52am

for your infomation EEP i own my own world,most people dont beleave me:a 11
yr old owning a world,im a good builder.so dont say thins you odnt know!...
and if there is anything i know about you,its that your mean person!
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Sep 2, 2001, 9:40am

Heh, dude, I've been in AW a LONG time (over 4 years) and HAVE had discussions with Rick, Roland, Shamus, HamFon, and even Protag (tho not many) about AW and its future. I filed a Better Business Bureau consumer complaint when Meta, Mars, and Atlantis didn't open when paid citizenship took effect because AWC PROMISED they would (they were opened about a month later). I've taken down my RW site in protest for being banned from AW simply for talking about GEL. I've emailed companies AWC has "teamed up with" in business relationships (as per their press releases) in order to clue them in to AWC's business practices and customer interaction (or lack thereof). What else...eh, just check my AW history page (http://tnlc.com/eep/aw/history.html).

I've done a LOT for being behind a computer, thank you. The point is: what has RYAN done for AW compared to me? Not much, if anything except caused a stir in these newsgroups by acting like an ignorant newbie kid. <shrug>

[View Quote] > Hmm... let's assess your supposed value to the community, shall we?
>
> 1. Created a website that contains vast amounts of information
> concerning modeling and RWX commands
> 2. Created (with the help of others) two very detailed, reality-based worlds
> 3. Avid contributor to newsgroup discussions and debates
>
> Now, is your website extremely helpful to those trying to learn the
> finer points of modeling? It is indeed. Are your worlds one of a kind
> and worthy of multiple CYs? I'd certainly say so.
>
> However, if these worlds were to suddenly disappear, and your website to
> go down, (as it did a few years ago) what exactly would the effect be?
> Would people be left scrambling, trying to fill the void you left
> behind? Would people be clamoring and petitioning to bring your works
> back? Frankly, I think the only thing people would miss would be your
> presence here in the NGs.
>
> The phrase "actions speak louder than words" comes to mind when I think
> of you, Eep, for you are merely a man of words, not action. Yes, your
> site and worlds have added to this community, but every time you have a
> gripe, every time you have some chip on your shoulder, you do nothing
> but complain. I have yet to see you see you actually act on your
> complaints in order to enact change.
>
> Don't like newbies posting in the NGs? Perhaps you could write up a
> NG-FAQ for people to read in order to learn what to do and not to do.
> Don't like how AWC runs things? Perhaps you could try dropping the
> attitude just long enough to actually converse with Rick and Co on a
> professional level and see how far you get. (You might be surprised) And
> I don't recall seeing you step up to the plate when the Union idea was
> getting tossed around...
>
> The fact is, until you start doing more than just complain, then your
> "value" to this community will continue to diminish until all that's
> left is a little gold statue that says "Eep: Can't live with him, Can't
> live without him"...
>
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Sep 2, 2001, 9:53am

Wow, you really sound mature *g

How can you compare yourself to Ryan? He just started,
like everyone once did and many will follow I hope.
He didn't have the chance to do much for AW yet, but
he will have this chance.

Freaking out new community members does NOT help AW
very much. It will be a community of elderly people,
some cobol freaks and some who always dream about the
good old times, but no evolution, no new ideas and
no enthusiasm anymore.


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Sep 2, 2001, 10:13am

LMAO, you just crossposted yourself!

KAH

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Sep 2, 2001, 10:22am

Oh gosh here we go again, lol there are no rules in the Charter that make html
against the rules. There are people who can't seem to get that thru their thick
heads but this is the fact of the matter. Some people have News Reader programs
that do not read html, bottom line they are the ones that do not like it so try
to shuv their beliefs that it's wrong on everyone else, you have done nothing
wrong Ryan and there is no need to apologize to these goof balls, lol Using
large pictures or something might be a problem so try to keep it as low in k as
possible when you do post in html. That's just common courtesy.


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Sep 2, 2001, 10:34am

when you hit "Reply Group", a dialog pops up where you can write your
reply... in that dialog you'll see 4 textboxes (News Server, Newsgroups, Cc
and Subject). There's a newsgroup icon in front of the Newsgroup field,
which is the field you can edit to remove extra NGs in a crosspost...

KAH

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Sep 2, 2001, 10:39am

It's just that R y a n hasn't been in AW for 4 years, and he hasn't had TIME
to do a lot for the community yet! You can't compare against him at all!

KAH

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Sep 2, 2001, 11:49am

Uh, where've YOU been lately, Ananas? There hasn't been much evolution, new ideas, or enthusiasm in AW for a while now...the newsgroups used to be a LOT more interesting, informative, and technical. But then a lot of good people left and they turned into shit with all the Juno users and other crap. There are FAR too many kids in AW and not enough SERIOUS people into worldbuilding and objectmaking--THAT is what's really keeping AW going: the hope that it will someday be worthy enough to make some REAL interactive entertainment with (i.e. games, and not the shit "games" AW current has; I mean action and action-adventure games et al equal to that of Tomb Raider, Trespasser, Half-Life, Thief, Deus Ex, No One Lives Forever, Max Payne, etc, etc). AW needs to actually be versatile enough to even BEGIN to create games like these.

Right now AW is still too "artsy" to do any REAL game development with it...and while game development is not the only possible use for AW, I believe it's the only real use that will ever get any return investment for AWC and world owners/builders. For example, people could pay for entry into game worlds since the world rights list can allow selective entry. Or everyone could enter but be restricted to certain areas ("demo" areas if you will) and a bot (blech) could control passage through certain points or something.

But before all that happens AW needs to add more gamelike features like true avatar/player character moves besides "walking" and "running" like jumping (among many others, but jumping alone would offer a lot more possibilities for environment interaction). Better physics (avatars need more weight so they don't bounce and bound down slopes/stairs), collision detection (avatars NEED to be able to ride things and "stick" to moving things without having to move to stay on things; avatars need to slide along vertical polygons instead of just "sticking" to them), being able to pick up and drop objects (not necessarily throw ala Thief, Deus Ex, or even Trespasser, but of course that would be great), etc, etc, etc.

AW has a LOT of potential, but with only one true programmer (Roland, but one more on the way in a couple weeks, supposedly), development is slow. Also, Rick and JP still don't seem like they know what to DO with AW. They've tried chatting and building (which work to a limited degree, but there needs to be more), e-commerce didn't pan out, their advertising model is flawed (see my past "subtle advertising" threads, et al), distance education isn't happening (probably because of the lack of interactivity--see gamelike features above), and what games AW DOES have aren't that complex and are fairly simple-minded (board/card games, some rather pathetic "RPGs", etc).

AW needs a marketing and development SHIFT towards something that has been proven to be a viable industry for the past 20 years or so: gaming. I shouldn't need to quote sales figures and all that crap, but, trust me, gaming is hot and it ain't going away ANY time soon. AW has the potential to really revolutionize how 3D games are created by means of the "multi-user level editor" model I see AW one day becoming (hopefully soon).

But, really, AW would be a LOT more than a simple game development tool; it would (and basically IS) a holodeck ala Star Trek: The Next Generation and beyond. And if you've watched any of the Star Trek's starting with TNG, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager, you should be VERY aware of the potential holodecks can have. It's simply a matter of applying that 24th century "fantasy" to our 21st century REALITY...and making it happen. I see it happening. It WILL happen. It's just a matter of will AW BE the next step towards MAKING it happen.

[View Quote] > Freaking out new community members does NOT help AW
> very much. It will be a community of elderly people,
> some cobol freaks and some who always dream about the
> good old times, but no evolution, no new ideas and
> no enthusiasm anymore.
>
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Sep 2, 2001, 11:52am

I could have just as easily compared myself to Donna or practically anyone else in AW for that matter. All I'm saying (and trying to prove) is that I have done a DAMN lot for AW and it's so-called "community" over the years and would appreciate it if newbies took the time to learn the ropes before acting stupid like they OH SO OFTEN do. I don't care if the newbie is 10 or 100--they BETTER get on the up-and-up on things or they're gonna get shitkicked by me if they're lame enough.

[View Quote] > It's just that R y a n hasn't been in AW for 4 years, and he hasn't had TIME
> to do a lot for the community yet! You can't compare against him at all!
>
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