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May 8, 2004, 5:43pm

Could the community newsgroup be renamed into "community"?
With the quotes the name would meet the latest topics there
better.

May 8, 2004, 7:19pm

important topics to the community and the NG is the one place we can all do
something about things no matter what it is called :-)

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May 8, 2004, 10:10pm

I do not think that bashing people and discriminating
minorities and people who are different is so important
and helpful for a community.


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May 8, 2004, 10:14pm

well I and others happen to think that keeping perverts away from us and the
children IS sorry your standards are to low



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May 8, 2004, 10:47pm

Would you care to define pervert to us all? (someone who is not excatly like
you?)

"linn" <ironhead at digitalpassage.com> kirjoitti viestiss
news:409d77f9$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> well I and others happen to think that keeping perverts away from us and
the
> children IS sorry your standards are to low
>
>
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May 9, 2004, 12:52am

On 8 May 2004 20:14:49 -0400, "linn" <ironhead at digitalpassage.com>
[View Quote] >well I and others happen to think that keeping perverts away from us and the
>children IS sorry your standards are to low

what I find perverted, among other things, is people who bash up
people because they are not up to their own ideal. these people
pervert their own children by bashing this thought into them. not only
the taliban are guilty of this. take a look at the american way of
life in iraq prisons: harm has been done by the noblest. not a norm
hopefully among people, but reality - real life rwality- anyway. a bit
more tolerance, with the right degree of learning self-defence to our
children, would make our world, in RL or VR, much better.

the reason i think this is so is that people who are closest to
children, like parents and family, have much more influence on them
than total strangers who act weird. therefore, they can enlighten or
pervert children much more easily than others. life is full of
weirdos, calling them perverts is a strong term, usually used to
degrade someone, rarely (luckily) meeting the facts.

tell me, what can a total stranger in vr actually do to harm others? a
few things, sure, but possibly not what you consider a pervert in your
own mind. firstly, you may want to consider the effect: has it harmed
the child, or has it boosted your own fears and prejudices?

a child, as has been seen in these related threads, can react quite
forcibly. feel disgust, annoyance, etc, when it is plain to her/him
s/he has been cheated or misled. has this child been harmed? no, just
confronted with a weird situation. in time, understanding may come in
too, and tolerance, even laughter and a smile. the big harm is when
such a situation, by a trusted adult, is turned into an opportunity to
booster prejudice, instead of simply explaining to the child that the
person is acting weird and hiding its own gender and age, and may
better be avoided than encountered if one does not feel confortable
with the situation.

i do not like every lifestyle, some really repulse me. this does not
mean i have the right to brand people as perverts.

keep the weirdos from my 14 yo child? well, maybe just keep your
child off the streets, where s/he is more likely to encounder real
harmfull weirdos than someone in vr who presents him/herself with the
wrong age and gender. but you cant, the whole system needs you to
allow children to move in unknown to you areas. your best chance is
that you have had the ability to teach your children how to do this.
your worst chance is that you have taught your children to hate and
despise the unknown... and not to recognise the real dangers.

frankly, if you can't cope with vr as it is, why dont you create your
own vr and leave the rest of us alone?

i will certainly stand up against real trouble, but not against this
sort of name calling. i have enough of kids (and who taught them)
calling each other GAY or other names, in a despective sense. i see
the same name calling PERVERT in adults. before you or any call
someone here a PERVERT, be kind enough to assemble your facts, who and
how has been harmed and perverted, and report it to the due
authorities. this sort of gossip or bashing here in the ng is
disgraceful.

my one eurocent, the other i spent on better ends :(

Alex

May 9, 2004, 1:49am

[View Quote] >Could the community newsgroup be renamed into "community"?
>With the quotes the name would meet the latest topics there
>better.

No, not good enough. Suggestions:

Gossipity
BushWarity
HuntingGround
Prejudice
BashYou
GetThePervert
ProtectOurChildren
WeirdosRaus!
WeAreTheLightOfTheWorld
Vigilantes

any more suggestions?

Alex

really disgusted by witch-hunting practices
go gossip elsewhere
by proof notify authorities
keep your backgarden clean, allow others to do their own

May 9, 2004, 11:55am

Go tell that to the victims of John E. Robinson Sr. A perv is a perv. You
don't take the kids off the streets d'oh. You take the perv off the
streets!


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May 9, 2004, 1:30pm

And who is John E. Robinson Sr.? Some serial killer I assume?

And if someone has a different sexuality than you, it makes him a pervert
that equals murderer, raper, molester etc?

It seems that many people cannot see the difference between a crime and a
preference. Lets say someone who happens to be a gorean ( to put this into
aw context) commits a crime; he is not bad for doing a crime but for beeing
a gorean. It automatically leads to the conclusion all goreans are bad and
commit crimes.
Then again when i dare to critizice the catholic church for example,
disproving how the abuse of boys has been going on for decades and has been
covered up. Do I hear that someone start yelling all catholics should be
banned from AW? No, because most people probably understand that those who
has commited the crime has done it as indivduals; I wonder why this cannot
be aplied to for other people with prefernces.

Drac

".sharon" <none> kirjoitti viestiss
news:409e3838 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Go tell that to the victims of John E. Robinson Sr. A perv is a perv. You
> don't take the kids off the streets d'oh. You take the perv off the
> streets!
>
>
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May 9, 2004, 2:04pm

You're in the wrong category talking about this. You ought to stop running
away from the topic and get back in the community group for one thing.

John Edward Robinson Sr was a mass serial killer who lured people on the
internet morphing and disguising his true identity to attract his victims.

To address one of your statements that it's your understanding that we think
all Goreans are bad. How can anyone make that conclusion when they don't
know all Goreans. Also, no one is saying that those with sexual preferences
other than our own are criminals. We are saying however that the criminal
is as the criminal does whatever the gender, religion, etc. We are NOT
saying the criminal is a criminal for exercising any of the human rights.

Another of your ditches was that you did put religion under fire in one of
your posts or have you forgotten already?

Also, I'd like to stop calling Seiya an it and wish "it" would finally make
a determination as to "it's" identity for purposes of saving myself from
being abused by anyone who says I'm attacking it's sexual preferences. At
the moment "it" has not made it clear as to what "it" is. Until future
clarification of it's gender, when needing a prefix, I shall refer to Seiya
as "it".

Lastly, you tell us not to worry for it's only people role playing on the
internet and there is no harm in that. That we ought not worry and just let
well enough alone whether we see someone abusing others or not. You are so
wrong in that view. This not just my opinion. If you turn away when you
know someone is hurting others you are protecting the abuser.


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May 9, 2004, 2:17pm

"Until future
clarification of it's gender, when needing a prefix, I shall refer to Seiya
as "it"."

prefix = pronoun

Sharon

May 9, 2004, 6:06pm

IMO appropriate third person pronoun for a genderless person is "one." "It"
is specifically a negative implication here, as it suggets an object such as
a chair or a lamp. I'll concede that using "one" as a pronoun in this case
feels a little awkward, however I do believe it's correct.

Not trying to be offensive or make any kind of statement about you or
anything or anyone, I just thought since we were talking vaguely about
linguistics I'd say something.. :D

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May 9, 2004, 7:45pm

I do not know if you do your best not to understand what I am saying or if
you simply do not understand; anyway it seems you get it wrong all the time.

I was not refering to the Seiya case. If he has done something criminal then
report him to the authorities. I was refering to the in general negative
attitude against x-rated worlds and to the fact that some people seem to
excigerate (sp) the danger of internet.
I still belive most rapes and killings are done in the so called real life
not in virtual reality. Broken hearts and disapointment surely on internet
but seldom any physical damage.
I even challange you or anyone else to kill or rape me over the internet,
could even offer 100$ to anyone who can do it, but in case of death that has
to be collected from my family.

Yes I have criticise religions, not the people who are tricked into beliving
in gods.

I guess it is no use continuing this much since talking to some people is
like pooring water on a goose.

Drac
".sharon" <none> kirjoitti viestiss
news:409e568d at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> You're in the wrong category talking about this. You ought to stop
running
> away from the topic and get back in the community group for one thing.
>
> John Edward Robinson Sr was a mass serial killer who lured people on the
> internet morphing and disguising his true identity to attract his victims.
>
> To address one of your statements that it's your understanding that we
think
> all Goreans are bad. How can anyone make that conclusion when they don't
> know all Goreans. Also, no one is saying that those with sexual
preferences
> other than our own are criminals. We are saying however that the criminal
> is as the criminal does whatever the gender, religion, etc. We are NOT
> saying the criminal is a criminal for exercising any of the human rights.
>
> Another of your ditches was that you did put religion under fire in one of
> your posts or have you forgotten already?
>
> Also, I'd like to stop calling Seiya an it and wish "it" would finally
make
> a determination as to "it's" identity for purposes of saving myself from
> being abused by anyone who says I'm attacking it's sexual preferences. At
> the moment "it" has not made it clear as to what "it" is. Until future
> clarification of it's gender, when needing a prefix, I shall refer to
Seiya
> as "it".
>
> Lastly, you tell us not to worry for it's only people role playing on the
> internet and there is no harm in that. That we ought not worry and just
let
> well enough alone whether we see someone abusing others or not. You are
so
> wrong in that view. This not just my opinion. If you turn away when you
> know someone is hurting others you are protecting the abuser.
>
>
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May 9, 2004, 7:59pm

Ubermonkey,

Are you now an expert on the grammar in which to use when speaking of those
who choose to be genderless, multi-gender, or in gender-flux (whether a
temporary or indefinite condition)? If so would you please use "one" in
place of "it" in a sentence for us as an example pronoun when speaking of
such a person ?

Thank You,
Sharon


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May 9, 2004, 8:55pm

I'll make my reply to this in the Community Group.

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