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byte me

Jan 12, 1999, 1:21am
Does the SDK have file transfer support?

edward sumerfield

Jan 12, 1999, 11:48am
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From where to where?
<p>Someone was asking about how to implement this in the past. I believe
we decided that you would have to build your own logic which would depend
on from where and to where you were transferring.
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baudwalker

Jan 12, 1999, 9:15pm
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From where to where?????? That is the most stupid question I have ever =
seen in any post.

From one place to another one would assume.


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byte me

Jan 12, 1999, 9:16pm
Lets say a person requests a file from the bot, the bot gets hte persons
session number and ask for authorization to send the file and if the
user accepts the bot will than send the file from a preset directory on
it's server...

[View Quote] > From where to where?
>
> Someone was asking about how to implement this in the past. I believe
> we decided that you would have to build your own logic which would
> depend on from where and to where you were transferring.
>
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edward sumerfield

Jan 12, 1999, 11:08pm
Well excuse me Mr BitsPerSecondHiker but I think the question is excellent
phrased, succinct and necessary. Sorry it didn't do anything for you.

[View Quote] > From where to where?????? That is the most stupid question I have ever seen
> in any post. From one place to another one would assume.
>
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edward sumerfield

Jan 12, 1999, 11:15pm
"from a preset directory on its server" would be the machine that the robot is
on but you didn't say where it is going to.

An avatar is someone's PC with the AW browser on it. If that is the case then
a program on that PC must have the file transfer capability. If you have an
FTP server then the robot could conceivably connect to it and send a file to
you.

Alternatively, if you have an FTP client, which is more likely, then you can
run it and connect to the robots machine which could be running an ftp server,
but with this setup the whole avatar authentication stuff is a waste of time.

Other than that I don't have any ideas. Sorry.

Oh, I hope you weren't insulted by my stupid question?

Edward Sumerfield.

[View Quote] > Lets say a person requests a file from the bot, the bot gets hte persons
> session number and ask for authorization to send the file and if the
> user accepts the bot will than send the file from a preset directory on
> it's server...
>
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baudwalker

Jan 13, 1999, 1:23am
well now I know ..... baud rate is not bits per second!!
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byte me

Jan 13, 1999, 1:30am
Well 2.1 has file transfer

and yes the server is the computer the bot is hosted on...

What I was saying it will request your fielt rasnfer session # than get that
number and send the file to you through aw...

[View Quote] > "from a preset directory on its server" would be the machine that the robot is
> on but you didn't say where it is going to.
>
> An avatar is someone's PC with the AW browser on it. If that is the case then
> a program on that PC must have the file transfer capability. If you have an
> FTP server then the robot could conceivably connect to it and send a file to
> you.
>
> Alternatively, if you have an FTP client, which is more likely, then you can
> run it and connect to the robots machine which could be running an ftp server,
> but with this setup the whole avatar authentication stuff is a waste of time.
>
> Other than that I don't have any ideas. Sorry.
>
> Oh, I hope you weren't insulted by my stupid question?
>
> Edward Sumerfield.
>
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edward sumerfield

Jan 13, 1999, 2:26am
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Sorry bud, it is not bytes per second and since we are somewhat off topic this
will be my last word on the subject.

As per FALDOC at

http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?query=baud&action=Search

baud
<communications, unit> /bawd/ (plural "baud") The unit in which the information
carrying capacity or "signalling rate" of a communication channel is measured.
One baud is one symbol (state-transition or level-transition) per second. This
coincides with bits per second only for two-level modulation with no framing or
stop bits.

Edward "the bit twiddler" Sumerfield.

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Sorry bud, it is not bytes per second and since we are somewhat off topic
this will be my last word on the subject.
<p>As per FALDOC at
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A HREF="http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?query=baud&action=Search">http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?query=baud&amp;action=Search</A>
<p><b>baud</b>
<br>&lt;communications, unit> /bawd/ (plural "baud") The unit in which
the information carrying capacity or "signalling rate" of a communication
channel is measured. One baud is one symbol (state-transition or level-transition)
per second. This coincides with bits per second only for two-level modulation
with no framing or stop bits.
<p>Edward "the bit twiddler" Sumerfield.
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edward sumerfield

Jan 13, 1999, 2:28am
Sorry I got involved. I don't know.

[View Quote] > Well 2.1 has file transfer
>
> and yes the server is the computer the bot is hosted on...
>
> What I was saying it will request your fielt rasnfer session # than get that
> number and send the file to you through aw...
>
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baudwalker

Jan 13, 1999, 3:03am
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OK how many bps is a 2400 baud modem?
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this will=20
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edward sumerfield

Jan 13, 1999, 3:27am
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Assuming bps stands for bytes per second then I usually go with a factor of
10. 8 bits per bit then one stop bit and parity bit. Its not an accurate way
of calculating but it gives you a guesstimate.

So on my 28800 baud modem I see about a 3K bytes per second transfer rate when
downloading.

On a 2400 baud modem you will about 240 bytes per second being transferred.

A good network timing tool is ftp. Create a 1 megabyte file and ftp it to
another machine. FTP clients will tell you how long it takes. From there you
can work out your bytes per second. Of coarse netscape downloads give you this
info as well.

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Assuming bps stands for bytes per second then I usually go with a factor
of 10. 8 bits per bit then one stop bit and parity bit. Its not an accurate
way of calculating but it gives you a guesstimate.
<p>So on my 28800 baud modem I see about a 3K bytes per second transfer
rate when downloading.
<p>On a 2400 baud modem you will about 240 bytes per second being transferred.
<p>A good network timing tool is ftp. Create a 1 megabyte file and ftp
it to another machine. FTP clients will tell you how long it takes. From
there you can work out your bytes per second. Of coarse netscape downloads
give you this info as well.
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baudwalker

Jan 13, 1999, 4:43am
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Well at the moment the maximum baud rate on a standard phone line is =
just over 3,200 (yes 3,200 baud). So you do not have a 28,800 baud =
modem, you would have a 3,200 baud modem.

Now to get your 28,800 bits/second transfer rate you hardware is =
working at 9 bits / baud * 3,200 =3D 28,800 bps.


[View Quote] On a 2400 baud modem you will about 240 bytes per second being =
transferred.=20

A good network timing tool is ftp. Create a 1 megabyte file and ftp it =
to another machine. FTP clients will tell you how long it takes. From =
there you can work out your bytes per second. Of coarse netscape =
downloads give you this info as well.=20

[View Quote] OK how many bps is a 2400 baud modem?=20
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baud=20
<communications, unit> /bawd/ (plural "baud") The unit in which =
the information carrying capacity or "signalling rate" of a =
communication channel is measured. One baud is one symbol =
(state-transition or level-transition) per second. This coincides with =
bits per second only for two-level modulation with no framing or stop =
bits.=20

Edward "the bit twiddler" Sumerfield.=20

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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Well at the moment the maximum baud =
rate on a=20
standard phone line is just over 3,200 (yes 3,200 baud). So you do not =
have a=20
28,800 baud modem, you would have a 3,200 baud modem.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS">Now to get your 28,800 bits/second =
transfer=20
rate&nbsp; you hardware is working at 9 bits / baud * 3,200 =3D 28,800=20
bps.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>Edward Sumerfield &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:esumerfd at poboxes.com">esumerfd at poboxes.com</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:369C2EB2.A7CA99D9 at poboxes.com">news:369C2EB2.A7CA99D9 at poboxe=
s.com</A>...</DIV>Assuming=20
bps stands for bytes per second then I usually go with a factor of 10. =
8 bits=20
per bit then one stop bit and parity bit. Its not an accurate way of=20
calculating but it gives you a guesstimate.=20
<P>So on my 28800 baud modem I see about a 3K bytes per second =
transfer rate=20
when downloading.=20
<P>On a 2400 baud modem you will about 240 bytes per second being =
transferred.=20

<P>A good network timing tool is ftp. Create a 1 megabyte file and ftp =
it to=20
another machine. FTP clients will tell you how long it takes. From =
there you=20
can work out your bytes per second. Of coarse netscape downloads give =
you this=20
info as well.=20
[View Quote] <P><B>baud</B> <BR>&lt;communications, unit&gt; /bawd/ (plural=20
&quot;baud&quot;) The unit in which the information carrying =
capacity or=20
&quot;signalling rate&quot; of a communication channel is =
measured. One=20
baud is one symbol (state-transition or level-transition) per =
second. This=20
coincides with bits per second only for two-level modulation with =
no=20
framing or stop bits.=20
<P>Edward &quot;the bit twiddler&quot; Sumerfield.=20
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drchandra

Jan 13, 1999, 2:21pm
Why does the file have to come from the same host the bot is running on? Why
not have a bot that knows where to get files via anonymous FTP? An aw user
asks the bot for a file, and the bot gets the file via FTP, and at the same
time sends it to the user via AW Client File Transfer. That way, the bot
becomes a signpost to Internet files, and doesn't consume space for files on
the bot server. Of course the bot server could be the source for the FTP
transfer, as well. This is that same idea as attaching a MIDI file from a
third party site to one of your objects in AW. You don't store the file, you
just refer to it in its present location, making use of it in the context of
the AW world.

DrChandra/PK-37

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edward sumerfield

Jan 13, 1999, 4:33pm
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The only issue with the bot program being both the receiver and sending
of a file is that the line utilization from the bots computer will be high.
If you are on a 28kbps like me the bot would thrash the line a little.
<p>I believe the problem comes with knowing what is the "AW Client File
Transfer" protocol, interface?
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walter knupe

Jan 13, 1999, 5:20pm
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Thats the point, Edward.

The Beta AW2.1 Browser does implement a file transfer. The SDK, which is =
supposed to be at "2.1" level as well, does not offer anything like =
this.

Since Filetransfer "inside" of AW will become regular as soon as 2.1 is =
released, It would be nice if a bot could participate in File Transfer =
as well.

Think of having an ftp like session (say in whisper mode) to the bot.

I could think of quite some possibilietes and services, but the exact =
protocol specification would be needed, OR sdk support for it.

Walter

ps: Edward I am amazed that you kept explaining things to Mr. =
Baud-IfIDontUnderstandAQuestionIGetPersonal-Walker


Edward Sumerfield schrieb in Nachricht =
<369CE6EA.B08F1FEB at poboxes.com>...
The only issue with the bot program being both the receiver and =
sending of a file is that the line utilization from the bots computer =
will be high. If you are on a 28kbps like me the bot would thrash the =
line a little.=20
I believe the problem comes with knowing what is the "AW Client File =
Transfer" protocol, interface?=20

[View Quote] Why does the file have to come from the same host the bot is =
running on? Why=20
not have a bot that knows where to get files via anonymous FTP? =
An aw user=20
asks the bot for a file, and the bot gets the file via FTP, and =
at the same=20
time sends it to the user via AW Client File Transfer. That way, =
the bot=20
becomes a signpost to Internet files, and doesn't consume space =
for files on=20
the bot server. Of course the bot server could be the source for =
the FTP=20
transfer, as well. This is that same idea as attaching a MIDI =
file from a=20
third party site to one of your objects in AW. You don't store =
the file, you=20
just refer to it in its present location, making use of it in =
the context of=20
the AW world.=20
DrChandra/PK-37=20

--=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D3>Thats the point, =
Edward.</FONT></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D3></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D3></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D3>The Beta AW2.1 Browser does =
implement a file=20
transfer. The SDK, which is supposed to be at &quot;2.1&quot; level as =
well,=20
does not offer anything like this.</FONT></FONT><FONT =
size=3D3></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D3></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D3>Since Filetransfer =
&quot;inside&quot; of AW=20
will become regular as soon as 2.1 is released, It would be nice if a =
bot could=20
participate in File Transfer as well.</FONT></FONT><FONT =
size=3D3></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D3></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D3>Think of having an ftp like =
session (say in=20
whisper mode) to the bot.</FONT></FONT><FONT size=3D3></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D3></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D3>I could think of quite some =
possibilietes and=20
services, but the exact protocol specification would be needed, OR sdk =
support=20
for it.</FONT></FONT><FONT size=3D3></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D3></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D3>Walter</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D3></FONT></FONT><FONT=20
size=3D3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>ps: Edward I am amazed that you kept explaining =
things to=20
Mr. Baud-IfIDontUnderstandAQuestionIGetPersonal-Walker</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
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<DIV>Edward Sumerfield<ESUMERFD at POBOXES.COM> schrieb in Nachricht =
&lt;<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:369CE6EA.B08F1FEB at poboxes.com">369CE6EA.B08F1FEB at poboxes.c=
om</A>&gt;...</DIV>The=20
only issue with the bot program being both the receiver and sending =
of a=20
file is that the line utilization from the bots computer will be =
high. If=20
you are on a 28kbps like me the bot would thrash the line a little.=20
<P>I believe the problem comes with knowing what is the &quot;AW =
Client File=20
Transfer&quot; protocol, interface?=20
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<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
<BR>&gt;&gt; Oh, I hope you weren't insulted by my stupid =
question?=20
<BR>&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt;&gt; Edward Sumerfield. <BR>&gt;&gt; =
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edward sumerfield

Jan 13, 1999, 5:55pm
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<font face="Arial">It turned out that Mr. Baud-IfIDontUnderstandAQuestionIGetPersonal-Walker
is a very interesting fellow and the only problem was that I should have
been more precise in my terminology and called him Mr. SignallingRateHiker.</font>
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byte me

Jan 13, 1999, 11:03pm
See what I was thinking say you develope a game but don't want people to
have to download a extra SDK for it they could request it from the bot
or something... but you never know... I like the idea of the bot being
able to recieve files making for a good FTP client within aw :)

[View Quote] > Thats the point, Edward. The Beta AW2.1 Browser does implement a file
> transfer. The SDK, which is supposed to be at "2.1" level as well,
> does not offer anything like this. Since Filetransfer "inside" of AW
> will become regular as soon as 2.1 is released, It would be nice if a
> bot could participate in File Transfer as well. Think of having an ftp
> like session (say in whisper mode) to the bot. I could think of quite
> some possibilietes and services, but the exact protocol specification
> would be needed, OR sdk support for it. Walter ps: Edward I am amazed
> that you kept explaining things to Mr.
> Baud-IfIDontUnderstandAQuestionIGetPersonal-Walker
>
> Edward Sumerfield schrieb in Nachricht
> <369CE6EA.B08F1FEB at poboxes.com>...The only issue with the
> bot program being both the receiver and sending of a file is
> that the line utilization from the bots computer will be
> high. If you are on a 28kbps like me the bot would thrash
> the line a little.
>
> I believe the problem comes with knowing what is the "AW
> Client File Transfer" protocol, interface?
>
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fletcher andersen

Jan 14, 1999, 11:13pm
you know, it would be wonderful if you could setup a bot as a file-server, like in
IRC .. ..would make some things ssoooo handy =)

[View Quote] > "from a preset directory on its server" would be the machine that the robot is
> on but you didn't say where it is going to.
>
> An avatar is someone's PC with the AW browser on it. If that is the case then
> a program on that PC must have the file transfer capability. If you have an
> FTP server then the robot could conceivably connect to it and send a file to
> you.
>
> Alternatively, if you have an FTP client, which is more likely, then you can
> run it and connect to the robots machine which could be running an ftp server,
> but with this setup the whole avatar authentication stuff is a waste of time.
>
> Other than that I don't have any ideas. Sorry.
>
> Oh, I hope you weren't insulted by my stupid question?
>
> Edward Sumerfield.
>
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byte me

Jan 14, 1999, 11:49pm
It'd be nice if you could set a a group of citizens numbers hwo could access the file
server than you send a file to the bot and if your # matches you get the ok it recives
the file and lets say you wanna have some kind of coding system that tells the bot
which directory to upload on the object server you would put a symbol at the start
like

at = avatars
_ = objects
! = textures
# = sounds
% = sequnces

exp.

at bytetheav.zip
!green.jpg
!greenm.zip

and so on :)

[View Quote] > you know, it would be wonderful if you could setup a bot as a file-server, like in
> IRC .. ..would make some things ssoooo handy =)
>
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