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Dec 29, 2001, 5:58pm

And to increase ones privicy, how about authorization before anyone can put
you on their contact list????

LOL ok Im rambling but these are good wish's for the new year. And as AW has
our contact lists on server the impletmention might be a easy task..

Dec 29, 2001, 6:20pm

in cae you don't know, in the next version (due out next year sometime i
think) they have improved privacy features. One thing i know is Roland used
the ability to hide his online status (so the green checkmark is not visible
when hes on and no one can telgram him). Im pretty sure they've got other
things but i don't know what they all are just yet. Excpect to see a full
list of features around beta testing time.

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Dec 29, 2001, 6:40pm

I think the "AFK" mode that is announced is a good
solution for beeing not disturbed, as long as it's
respected. Too much privacy might result in less
support for people who really need some help with
their RWX stuff, worlds, browsers and so on.

You are one of the experienced people in AW so you
are a target for questions - people who need help
do not want to disturb you, but their questions
are an indicator that they respect your knowledge.

It would be nice to be able to switch off telegram
announcements, but just blocking everything from
people who are not on your contact list isn't fair,
better would be to just block this stupid IO.

btw.: contact lists on the server??? Who told you that?

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Dec 29, 2001, 7:05pm

"This requires implementing a new database on the universe server side that
stores each citizen's blocked user list"

http://www.activeworlds.com/roland/features/block_telegrams.html

Roland mentions how blocking telegrams woudl work (i think its in the new
version) and that a way to do it (the way they most likely would use) is to
have the uniserver keep a database of the blocked users. That could be what
he meant.

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Dec 29, 2001, 7:08pm

and actually wizard.....right now they don't have ur contact lists on the
server. Its on a little file called contacts.txt in your AW folder.

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Dec 29, 2001, 7:18pm

opps sorry there I was given to beleave this hade been done in preperation
for new client.


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Dec 29, 2001, 7:26pm

well the new version has a database for blocked citezins or whatever but the
whole contact lists are not on the uniserver. And i though you meant it had
already been done

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Dec 29, 2001, 8:13pm

Holding the lists on the server is an conzept, not
implementation. And it isn't a good conzept, because
is encroaches into the privacy much more than it
helps privacy.

It could even be a reason that a company does not -
MAY not - buy an ActiveWorlds server, because
privacy laws and/or works council deny it.
Here (germany) the works councils are very sensitive
when it comes to privacy violations.

The argument (on your link) of notifying the sender
that his gram has been blocked isn't really an argument,
because only a very short, automatic status telegram
from the browser would be required to give this feedback
(I agree that it's needed) - and usually it will not be
default, just an exception, that someones telegrams will
be blocked. If this feedback telegram is sent later,
when a user goes online - well, emails work the same,
you don't receive a feedback at once, or not at all
(client mail filters).


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Dec 29, 2001, 8:30pm

Could you explain how it encroaches into the privacy of anyone?

-Agent1

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Dec 29, 2001, 9:24pm

yep, contact lists have about the same meaning
as a private address book. It is my own decision
whom I have there, same would be for telegram
blocking. If a universe admin (company) could
check all connections between their workers,
this could bring the works council up against
the software and they would disallow usage of
the software.
This was (and is) always a problem with software
and hardware that deals with communication.
Another anaology are phone calls. Companies here
may only store the phone numbers of calls from
their customers excluding the last two digits,
and even this is often hot discussed.

I do not speak about universes like AW. I doubt
that the people there would be interested in
finding out anything about the contacts of the
citizens, even though it would be easy for them,
because all logins are immediately followed by a
series of name queries.

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Dec 29, 2001, 11:05pm

even IF someone were to break into the database and find out who someone is
blocking what would that do? Oh my god someone knows who i blocked! and
since they know their citezin name they can know EVERYTHING about them! Come
on, wow, if they know someones citezin name the worst they can do is
telegram them to death (and get blocked). The name querys thing isnt relevnt
becuase the logging in protocal is seperate from the database (which is just
a list of citezin numbers/names)

bots can find out the ip adress of every person in a world (in range) is
that enroaching on everyones privacy? should we ban bots?

Im not trying to be mean but knowing the citezin names of certain people
isn't the worst of my worries.

"even though it would be easy for them, because all logins are immediately
followed by a series of name queries."

that is totaly diferent from knowing someones cit name. You can find out
anyones cit name easily why would you break into a database to do that. And
the log in part is totaly diferent from the database, so i dont knwo what
you mean by that.

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Dec 29, 2001, 11:35pm

Maybe I wasn't clear enough :

The workers councils do not want the company to
look into this stuff, I didn't talk about someone
breaking into the database.


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Dec 29, 2001, 11:43pm

to look into what stuff? a list of blocked names? that still doesnt chnage
anything

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Dec 29, 2001, 11:49pm

if you think so

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Dec 30, 2001, 3:13am

ok so if i worked at a company that purcahsed an ActiveWorlds universe and i
looked into the database of people blocked names (considering theres an
interface to view this list, which i highly doubt there is), then what?
thats wrong or something? thats what im trying to say

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Dec 30, 2001, 3:30am

Companie bosses (personal office) are very interested
in knowing which persons do not work good together
- and works councils are interested in not letting
them know. And the laws here allow works councils to
decide to allow or deny such an insight.

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