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Apr 29, 2001, 7:06am

I have tried proposing an option to change background in public area using a
download feature at a reasonable fee. Right now the only way to do this is
to buy a world which offers features some don't need at a high cost. After
being told this would not be at the top of the list for consideration, I
have thought of an alternative solution.

Why not have a world where people who sign up as a PK, GK, or Teacher can
experiment with things like avatars, backgrounds, and objects. Those that
are helping Active Worlds promote the program would have an incentive to
continue this, and they could try out the features available in a world
without actually having to pay for it upfront without any experience. If
they liked it, then they would not only gain the experience, but they would
have objects as well to bring into a world they could buy after trying it
out.

Apr 29, 2001, 2:35pm

GKs, PKs and Teachers should want to do their job becuase they like to help
people and make Active Worlds a safe and fun place...not becuase they want
to keep all the little frillz that come along with the job...

-Gamer

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Apr 29, 2001, 2:45pm

Giving back to the PK's, GK's, and Teacers ain't so bad either. I never
said people should only do it because they should have this opportunity. It
would be an incentive, not the full reward.


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Apr 29, 2001, 11:20pm

Giving back to PK's... Uhh do they deserve it?
GK's... Lets get some more n00bs.
Teachers... Become a really awesome builder and track down the person that got you started (Goober King in my case)
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Apr 30, 2001, 12:21pm

Still trying to get a world cheap, huh marcus?

Holistic1

[View Quote] > I have tried proposing an option to change background in public area using a
> download feature at a reasonable fee. Right now the only way to do this is
> to buy a world which offers features some don't need at a high cost. After
> being told this would not be at the top of the list for consideration, I
> have thought of an alternative solution.
>
> Why not have a world where people who sign up as a PK, GK, or Teacher can
> experiment with things like avatars, backgrounds, and objects. Those that
> are helping Active Worlds promote the program would have an incentive to
> continue this, and they could try out the features available in a world
> without actually having to pay for it upfront without any experience. If
> they liked it, then they would not only gain the experience, but they would
> have objects as well to bring into a world they could buy after trying it
> out.

Apr 30, 2001, 4:55pm

Actually I would be paying 69.95 for true space and if I liked what I made,
I would be buying a world. Look at what I am proposing and you will not see
I am proposing anything cheap. For you to think that, means you 1) not only
looked at the details 2) would be a prime candidate for what I am
proposing.

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Apr 30, 2001, 5:31pm

Say what???? You're cheap.. admit it... Seems to me that you are the only one
around here bitching about the price of worlds...And trying to make some kind of
deal with AW to get both TrueSpace and A world cheap... I paid for my world and
will continue to do so.. In fact I am considering buying another one... As for
Truespace.. Who cares? I don't use it and from what I hear most builders
don't.. There are many free 3d programs to pick from so why would I buy one? I
can't believe you are still going on about wanting to change the backdrop in
public worlds... Gads.. get a life.. I build in public worlds besides Holistic
(my world) and the last thing I would want is for some twit (to borrow Eeps
favorite label) to go changing it on me without my permission.

If you want TrueSpace, buy it and shut up. If you want to change backdrops..
buy a world and shut up. If you want both then quit bitching about the price
and buy them .... and shut up...Now shut up and go away.

Holistic1

[View Quote] > Actually I would be paying 69.95 for true space and if I liked what I made,
> I would be buying a world. Look at what I am proposing and you will not see
> I am proposing anything cheap. For you to think that, means you 1) not only
> looked at the details 2) would be a prime candidate for what I am
> proposing.
>
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Apr 30, 2001, 6:21pm

LOL!!!!

Go Holistic! Go Holistic! Go Holistic!

*jerry springer chant*

-Gamer

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Apr 30, 2001, 6:32pm

Most people go to other programs instead of persisting the way I am. Let me
go check here who is on in a world now.

885 worlds total. 566 worlds not private. 120 worlds that are not empty.
10 worlds with at leasy 10 people.

With data like that, I am not going to buy anything until I have some idea
of the services. This is just common sense.

765 people have been snookered into paying for worlds that aren't there, and
I don't want to be 1 one of them.

When I see the data change, my views will change.

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Apr 30, 2001, 6:52pm

I think you forgot something called the trial world. A LOT of people new to
AW will take advantage and thus I bet about 100+ worlds on the list are
trials, and some people keep their worlds private except for events, and
some worlds are like SW City's paintball world where its owners use it for
events and thus not a lot of people are normally there. SO really if you
want a world just go for it.
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Apr 30, 2001, 7:07pm

"I think you forgot something called the trial world."
Please read up before you interject, people have been telling me it takes
them over a 1 year to fully get a world designed. The trial version is only
for 30 days, it doesn't provide enough time to actually develop objects and
build. I can account for just citizenship after 3-4 months. This is time
consuming and someone I knowhas been building a town for 8 months.


A LOT of people new to AW will take advantage and thus I bet about 100+
worlds on the list are trials, and some people keep their worlds private
except for events, and
some worlds are like SW City's paintball world where its owners use it for
events and thus not a lot of people are normally there. SO really if you
want a world just go for it.

I have signed up for citizenship for 3 months and the numbers are still the
same, the world names are still the same pretty much. Like with anything,
please present data when you are ready to assert such data exists. I think
Active Worlds should be the one to let us know so we can make an informed
decision as to how we want to spend our money.


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Apr 30, 2001, 7:09pm

"I think you forgot something called the trial world."

Please read up before you interject, people have been telling me it takes
them over a 1 year to fully get a world designed. The trial version is only
for 30 days, it doesn't provide enough time to actually develop objects and
build. I can account for just citizenship after 3-4 months. This is time
consuming and someone I knowhas been building a town for 8 months.


"A LOT of people new to AW will take advantage and thus I bet about 100+
worlds on the list are trials, and some people keep their worlds private
except for events, and some worlds are like SW City's paintball world where
its owners use it for events and thus not a lot of people are normally
there. SO really if you
want a world just go for it."

I have signed up for citizenship for 3 months and the numbers are still the
same, the world names are still the same pretty much. Like with anything,
please present data when you are ready to assert such data exists. I think
Active Worlds should be the one to let us know so we can make an informed
decision as to how we want to spend our money.

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Apr 30, 2001, 11:17pm

Dude...face it....you're not gonna get custom backdrops unless you just
manually d/l it from the server and plop it in your art directory.
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May 1, 2001, 1:26am

Umm, read the post. I said nothing about the backgrounds exclusively in the
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> but
> after
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May 1, 2001, 1:11pm

Let me see. You don't want to buy a world unless you know what to expect...
marcus, you are really a work of art, you don't have a frigging brain in
your head do you....Can we say Activeworlds? How about PUBLIC BUILDING!!!...How
about AW school? How about AWUniv.? Hmmm, I will try again... First (that's
number one, or the beginning. (just so you understand, marcus), become a
tourist or citizen. Number Two, (that would be the second thing, (just so you
continue to understand, marcus, (providing you understood the first item)),
learn to build from 1)a builder, 2)AWSchool, 3)AWUniv. 4)some other source ( I
know, I know, that's alot of things at once but get someone to read it and
explain it to you, marcus), Number Three (comes after "Number Two") build in
PUBLIC WORLDS. Then if you like it, Number Four(Next to the last,,,, I know,,
your attention is starting to wonder, marcus) BUY A WORLD!!!. Number Five, If
you don't like it.......DON'T BUY A WORLD.

No one really cares.. now leave and quit posting unless you have something
intelligent to say (which you don't).

Holistic1.

[View Quote] > Most people go to other programs instead of persisting the way I am. Let me
> go check here who is on in a world now.
>
> 885 worlds total. 566 worlds not private. 120 worlds that are not empty.
> 10 worlds with at leasy 10 people.
>
> With data like that, I am not going to buy anything until I have some idea
> of the services. This is just common sense.
>
> 765 people have been snookered into paying for worlds that aren't there, and
> I don't want to be 1 one of them.
>
> When I see the data change, my views will change.
>
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May 1, 2001, 6:05pm

Let me see here, are you saying I should buy at lease one citizenship before
I post here?

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May 1, 2001, 6:08pm

Oh great, you're one of the lamers that depends on AWCI's stupidity with giving away citizenships? Or did you just steal this one?
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May 1, 2001, 6:32pm

Well, I don't know if Holistic realizes I needed to get a citizenship
somehow to post here. I was just having fun with his ignorance. Now I can
have fun with yours. Hey, since no one will actually respond addressing the
subject and instead attack a person I might as well enjoy the moment.

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May 1, 2001, 7:57pm

*yawn* *filter* *next message*
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May 2, 2001, 12:39pm

LOL... marcus better change your diaper. And I find it rather amusing that you
are assuming that I don't know that you need a citizenship in order to post
here. I was trying to put my response in simple enough sentences (semtences= a
series of words put together in order to convy a thought) so you would
understand the process of determining weather or not you want a world.
Apparently I failed. Oh well... Perhaps someone else can speak in baby
language so you can understand. I tried and failed. So why don't you just take
your bottle roll over and go back to sleep.

Holistic1

[View Quote] > Let me see here, are you saying I should buy at lease one citizenship before
> I post here?
>
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May 2, 2001, 2:09pm

Yeah, I guess you did. Try moving up from baby talk. Try to present things
logically and lead to intelligent conclusions. The more you insult, the
less you have to bring to the table as far as a productive conversation.

You are 1 single person, and since we have established that we both
understand a person must attain a citizenship before posting here, you have
no idea what other people I come in contact with tell me who don't bother
finding out what a world offers let alone a citizenship.

They seem to like what I am presenting, and if Active Worlds listened to it
they might find more customers. I am responding to you on an automatic
business sense hoping that they are reading this and detecting my behavior.

In turn, I hope they see who is buying their product and behaving the way
you are here and use that for future decisions for Active Worlds as a whole.
It takes a nice man to insult, so I guess I have to bite the bullet here and
take it if I want what I am projecting across the table.

I wish I didn't. I wish we could talk nicer, but that's up to you part way.
Are you ready to present to me in an intelligent manner why incentives
aren't offered to citizens who become PK, GK, and teachers?

Other programs do this to their members.


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May 2, 2001, 3:47pm

[View Quote] > Yeah, I guess you did. Try moving up from baby talk. Try to present things
> logically and lead to intelligent conclusions. The more you insult, the
> less you have to bring to the table as far as a productive conversation.
>
> You are 1 single person, and since we have established that we both
> understand a person must attain a citizenship before posting here, you have
> no idea what other people I come in contact with tell me who don't bother
> finding out what a world offers let alone a citizenship.

Well it is interesting that the people you come in contact with aren't bothering
to find out what world owners can do with their worlds. LOL
As you say, they don't bother...So again, you are trying to get something for
nothing and using the newbies as your reasoning for it. The people who become
PK's GK's etc. are, for the most part, extremely dedicated to helping citizens
and tourist alike. Not for some reward that you are trying to lead us to
believe they would want, but because they want to, period. They are there
because they feel an obligation to give back to the virtual society a little
something . And perhaps for a little power, perhaps. They are there for the
same reasons a person becomes a teacher, policeman or policewoman, but without
the pay. So don't give me that crap about rewards.. The most they ever would
want or really appreciate, would be a "thank you" or " thanks for teaching me
that", when was the last time you thanked a GK ir PK or even someone who was
willing to teach you.

>
> They seem to like what I am presenting, and if Active Worlds listened to it
> they might find more customers. I am responding to you on an automatic
> business sense hoping that they are reading this and detecting my behavior.

Business sense? LOL.. give me a break.

This is all about you and you wanting a discount on a world or have the ability
to change the backdrop on a public worlds and you are using this "Incentive"
thing to try to get it... I wouldn't be surpised that if AW said ok they would
give that power to the PK's, you would be first in line trying to become
one...God, you are so transparent.


> In turn, I hope they see who is buying their product and behaving the way
> you are here and use that for future decisions for Active Worlds as a whole.
> It takes a nice man to insult, so I guess I have to bite the bullet here and
> take it if I want what I am projecting across the table.
>

HUH? They know who is buying their product, and one thing is for sure, they
don't have to worry about you buying a world. So pipe down.

>
> I wish I didn't. I wish we could talk nicer, but that's up to you part way.
> Are you ready to present to me in an intelligent manner why incentives
> aren't offered to citizens who become PK, GK, and teachers?

See response 1.

> Other programs do this to their members.

Do what to their members? What program? Huh?

>
>
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May 2, 2001, 4:05pm

Where did I ever say it would be a reward? Please look back. If you want to
assert something, please supply the data.

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May 2, 2001, 4:43pm

OH Excuse me!!!.. Incentive. The same in this instance. God you are such a
putz.

[View Quote] > Where did I ever say it would be a reward? Please look back. If you want to
> assert something, please supply the data.
>
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May 2, 2001, 4:47pm

I hope you aren't taking any of this serious LOL.

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May 2, 2001, 7:42pm

IDIOT! MORONIC! FOOL!

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May 3, 2001, 11:46pm

mmm awuniv started as just such a place. it was designed to be a forum
where by ppl that where knowledgeable about object making, backdrops etc
could give their time to promote and help others gain the same skills AND
practice them with a generous allotment of web space for temporary use.

lacking the ppl willing to give their time to this project, it has been semi
shelved but IS still available if any one is willing to donate the time.

AWld have done a lot to help the community. Sometimes its also up to the
community to help itself.

May 5, 2001, 1:47am

not only that.. but they get cit extensions for working a certain amount of time..


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