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A wishlist of important things... (Wishlist)

A wishlist of important things... // Wishlist

darian knight

Dec 13, 2000, 6:49pm

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Alright folks,

I'm back, and not to whine and complain (cause I know AW hates that).

This is a true wishlist for 3.1 or 3.2 AW that would catch them up to =
the pack in ratings. I am also adding a "How To" after each one to give =
the polygon gods a few ideas on how to accomplish the impossible :)

1. First order of business: AW 3.1 will have lighting, as in being able =
to create an object and say "you're a light, now brighten the room damn =
it!". This should be amazingly good for metatropolis (and even lower =
the crime rate).

2. Second: Ok, I looked into the reflectivity thing and got a general =
idea of why Roland keeps telling me "No Way, No How." As I see it, =
reflectivity (mirrors and such) depend on a closed world atmosphere with =
set boundries (ie: Quake III, UNREAL, Genesis 3D). So what I figure is =
that the AW browser doesn't impose boundries... it just says "you can't =
build past such and such point". General solution: the end of the world =
is truly the end of the world, you can't even walk past the edge. this =
should make reflectivity a little easier to handle :)

3. ok, I've heard it all before: "Darian, if we put the option to load =
custom avatars in AW, everyone would do it and it would slow everyone =
down." I thought about it for awhile and realized it wouldn't... there =
is a download limiter already embeded and the custom avatars should =
count as objects (right?) so the users can lower their download limits =
and viola, that problem is solved.

4. what about custom object paths that the builder can specify? so =
instead of using an object from the main path (pict3.rwx) they could =
specify this as the object name:

www.vr6online.net/awobjects/pict4.rwx

(don't bother clicking that address folks it doesn't work)

The issue again rises about slowing down the people with all of the =
custom objects, but then again, visibility is limited (right?) so you =
would only be loading objects within a radius and (if you set it) of a =
certain size in KB... that would be worth it.

5. Out of curiousity... At what point is active worlds going to =
actually advertise? Biggest complaint I get about AW is that people =
have no idea who or what they are... AW is great, indeed, but as it =
stands, their marketing sux. Word of mouth, while somewhat effective, =
shouldn't be depended on by a company with a listing on NASDAQ... I want =
to see a commercial during the superbowl for Active Worlds!

6. This one is probably a long shot but here goes: Hey AW! Since you =
enjoy the use of Animated JPGs, why not let some of us know where to get =
a program to make them? Animating a JPG file for AW manually is rather =
like jumping into a bathtub full of razorblades: I'd rather avoid it if =
I can... if there aren't any programs to automate the animated JPG =
process, then for the love of god, make one!

7. I don't expect AW to actually do this one, but it would be pretty =
darned kewl: be able to run a java applet in a picture frame in VR. =
Java picture effects would REALLY enhance VR :)

Well netizens, I must take leave again. Liquid Cool wants to show me =
something (probably a house or something *sighs*

Hope Roland or somebody actually reads this...

Darian Knight

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Alright folks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>I'm back, and not to whine and =
complain (cause=20
I know AW hates that).</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is a true wishlist for 3.1 or =
3.2 AW that=20
would catch them up to the pack in ratings. I am also adding a "How To"=20
after each one to give the polygon gods a few ideas on how to =
accomplish=20
the impossible :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>1.</STRONG> First order of =
business: =20
AW 3.1 will have lighting, as in being able to create an object and say =
"you're=20
a light, now brighten the room damn it!".  This should be amazingly =
good=20
for metatropolis (and even lower the crime rate).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>2.</STRONG> Second: Ok, I =
looked into=20
the reflectivity thing and got a general idea of why Roland keeps =
telling me "No=20
Way, No How." As I see it, reflectivity (mirrors and such) depend on a =
closed=20
world atmosphere with set boundries (ie: Quake III, UNREAL, Genesis 3D). =
So what=20
I figure is that the AW browser doesn't impose boundries... it just says =
"you=20
can't build past such and such point".  General solution: the end =
of the=20
world is truly the end of the world, you can't even walk past the edge. =
this=20
should make reflectivity a little easier to handle :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>3.</STRONG> ok, I've heard it =
all before:=20
"Darian, if we put the option to load custom avatars in AW, everyone =
would do it=20
and it would slow everyone down." I thought about it for awhile and =
realized it=20
wouldn't... there is a download limiter already embeded and the =
custom=20
avatars should count as objects (right?) so the users can lower=20
their download limits and viola, that problem is =
solved.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>4.</STRONG> what about custom =
object paths=20
that the builder can specify? so instead of using an object from the =
main path=20
(pict3.rwx) they could specify this as the object name:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://www.vr6online.net/awobjects/pict4.rwx"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>www.vr6online.net/awobjects/pict4.rwx</FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(don't bother clicking that address =
folks it=20
doesn't work)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The issue again rises about slowing =
down the people=20
with all of the custom objects, but then again, visibility is limited =
(right?)=20
so you would only be loading objects within a radius and (if you set it) =
of a=20
certain size in KB... that would be worth it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>5.</STRONG> Out of =
curiousity...  At=20
what point is active worlds going to <EM><U>actually</U></EM> =
advertise? =20
Biggest complaint I get about AW is that people have no idea who or what =
they=20
are... AW is great, indeed, but as it stands, their marketing sux.  =
Word of=20
mouth, while somewhat effective, shouldn't be depended on by a company =
with a=20
listing on <U>NASDAQ</U>... <STRONG>I want to see a commercial during =
the=20
superbowl for Active Worlds!</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>6</STRONG>. This one is =
probably a long=20
shot but here goes:  Hey AW! Since you enjoy the use of Animated =
JPGs, why=20
not let some of us know where to get a program to make =
them? Animating a=20
JPG file for AW manually is rather like jumping into a bathtub full of=20
razorblades: I'd rather avoid it if I can... if there aren't any =
programs to=20
automate the animated JPG process, then for the love of god, make=20
one!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>7. </STRONG>I don't expect AW =
to actually=20
do this one, but it would be pretty darned kewl: be able to run a java =
applet in=20
a picture frame in VR.  Java picture effects would REALLY enhance =
VR=20
:)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well netizens, I must take leave =
again. =20
Liquid Cool wants to show me something (probably a house or something=20
*sighs*</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hope Roland or somebody actually reads=20
this...</FONT></DIV>
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Dec 13, 2000, 11:36pm

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Wow its actually you! I have some responses...

1. First order of business: AW 3.1 will have lighting, as in being able =
to create an object and say "you're a light, now brighten the room damn =
it!". This should be amazingly good for metatropolis (and even lower =
the crime rate).

I can't wait hehe :-)

2. Second: Ok, I looked into the reflectivity thing and got a general =
idea of why Roland keeps telling me "No Way, No How." As I see it, =
reflectivity (mirrors and such) depend on a closed world atmosphere with =
set boundries

OK, so I have my browser normally set to 120M visibility. If I placed a =
mirror down, the browser would have to track another 120M worth of =
objects, and its another 120M per mirror object. That can realy add up =
and slow you down! Even if you programmed it to where it wouldn't =
render any objects outside the visibility of another object (say you had =
the mirror in a room) it would still have to render them because what if =
it were, for example, one of the new transclucent window panes you can =
put pictures on? It would just be the backdrop behind that!

4. what about custom object paths that the builder can specify? so =
instead of using an object from the main path (pict3.rwx) they could =
specify this as the object name:
<snipped irrelevant information>
The issue again rises about slowing down the people with all of the =
custom objects, but then again, visibility is limited (right?) so you =
would only be loading objects within a radius and (if you set it) of a =
certain size in KB... that would be worth it.

You have to download the objects anyway -- it wouldn't be any slower. =
(OK, thats not exactly true. If someone were hosting objects on their =
56K connection then it would be a really slow download, however with a =
56K connection I would estimate your IP changes at least once a day (due =
to disconnects). No one would even try beyond once to host objects on =
their systems. Its not a big risk to add this feature :-)

5. Out of curiousity... At what point is active worlds going to =
actually advertise? Biggest complaint I get about AW is that people =
have no idea who or what they are... AW is great, indeed, but as it =
stands, their marketing sux. Word of mouth, while somewhat effective, =
shouldn't be depended on by a company with a listing on NASDAQ... I want =
to see a commercial during the superbowl for Active Worlds!

This is one of those annoying loops. You need money to advertise, and =
you need to advertise to make money. Maybe Venture Capital? ..... =
However, I COULD see this... "Who needs this superbowl stuff, anyway? =
If you love footwall so much why not get right in the action and play =
against people all over the world? You gotta make the FootballBot =
yourself but hey go for it!"

6. This one is probably a long shot but here goes: Hey AW! Since you =
enjoy the use of Animated JPGs, why not let some of us know where to get =
a program to make them? Animating a JPG file for AW manually is rather =
like jumping into a bathtub full of razorblades: I'd rather avoid it if =
I can... if there aren't any programs to automate the animated JPG =
process, then for the love of god, make one!

I would love to, but as you should very well know there is no time lol =
However I think this is a good idea -- any programmers want this nice =
job? People I am sure would take advantage of it!

7. I don't expect AW to actually do this one, but it would be pretty =
darned kewl: be able to run a java applet in a picture frame in VR. =
Java picture effects would REALLY enhance VR :)

That would be nice, however it would slow AW WAAAAAAAAY down. I love =
Java, don't get me wrong. In 1.3 the speed improvements amaze me. =
However, the Applet plugins still leave quite a bit to be desired...

Hope Roland ... actually reads this...

You wish lol ;-)
_________________________
John Viper
http://www.jtsoft.net

"Microsoft C# - so 'Sharp', it'll poke your butt over to Java
so fast you wont know what crashed!" - Aaron Bockover
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"darian knight" <DarianKnight at hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:3a37e0be at server1.Activeworlds.com...
Alright folks,
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I'm back, and not to whine and complain (cause I know AW hates that).
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This is a true wishlist for 3.1 or 3.2 AW that would catch them up to =
the pack in ratings. I am also adding a "How To" after each one to give =
the polygon gods a few ideas on how to accomplish the impossible :)
=20
1. First order of business: AW 3.1 will have lighting, as in being =
able to create an object and say "you're a light, now brighten the room =
damn it!". This should be amazingly good for metatropolis (and even =
lower the crime rate).
=20
2. Second: Ok, I looked into the reflectivity thing and got a general =
idea of why Roland keeps telling me "No Way, No How." As I see it, =
reflectivity (mirrors and such) depend on a closed world atmosphere with =
set boundries (ie: Quake III, UNREAL, Genesis 3D). So what I figure is =
that the AW browser doesn't impose boundries... it just says "you can't =
build past such and such point". General solution: the end of the world =
is truly the end of the world, you can't even walk past the edge. this =
should make reflectivity a little easier to handle :)
=20
3. ok, I've heard it all before: "Darian, if we put the option to load =
custom avatars in AW, everyone would do it and it would slow everyone =
down." I thought about it for awhile and realized it wouldn't... there =
is a download limiter already embeded and the custom avatars should =
count as objects (right?) so the users can lower their download limits =
and viola, that problem is solved.
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4. what about custom object paths that the builder can specify? so =
instead of using an object from the main path (pict3.rwx) they could =
specify this as the object name:
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www.vr6online.net/awobjects/pict4.rwx
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(don't bother clicking that address folks it doesn't work)
=20
The issue again rises about slowing down the people with all of the =
custom objects, but then again, visibility is limited (right?) so you =
would only be loading objects within a radius and (if you set it) of a =
certain size in KB... that would be worth it.
=20
5. Out of curiousity... At what point is active worlds going to =
actually advertise? Biggest complaint I get about AW is that people =
have no idea who or what they are... AW is great, indeed, but as it =
stands, their marketing sux. Word of mouth, while somewhat effective, =
shouldn't be depended on by a company with a listing on NASDAQ... I want =
to see a commercial during the superbowl for Active Worlds!
=20
6. This one is probably a long shot but here goes: Hey AW! Since you =
enjoy the use of Animated JPGs, why not let some of us know where to get =
a program to make them? Animating a JPG file for AW manually is rather =
like jumping into a bathtub full of razorblades: I'd rather avoid it if =
I can... if there aren't any programs to automate the animated JPG =
process, then for the love of god, make one!
=20
7. I don't expect AW to actually do this one, but it would be pretty =
darned kewl: be able to run a java applet in a picture frame in VR. =
Java picture effects would REALLY enhance VR :)
=20
Well netizens, I must take leave again. Liquid Cool wants to show me =
something (probably a house or something *sighs*
=20
Hope Roland or somebody actually reads this...
=20
Darian Knight

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wow its actually you!  I have some =

responses...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#808080><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><STRONG>1.</STRONG> First order of business:  AW 3.1 will =
have=20
lighting, as in being able to create an object and say "you're a light, =
now=20
brighten the room damn it!".  This should be amazingly good for=20
metatropolis (and even lower the crime rate).</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I can't wait hehe :-)</FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#808080><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><STRONG>2.</STRONG> Second: Ok, I looked into the =
reflectivity thing=20
and got a general idea of why Roland keeps telling me "No Way, No How." =
As I see=20
it, reflectivity (mirrors and such) depend on a closed world atmosphere =
with set=20
boundries</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>OK, so I have my browser normally set =
to 120M=20
visibility.  If I placed a mirror down, the browser would have to =
track=20
another 120M worth of objects, and its another 120M per mirror =
object. =20
That can realy add up and slow you down!  Even if you programmed it =
to=20
where it wouldn't render any objects outside the visibility of another =
object=20
(say you had the mirror in a room) it would still have to render them =
because=20
what if it were, for example, one of the new transclucent window panes =
you can=20
put pictures on?  It would just be the backdrop behind =
that!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#808080><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><STRONG>4.</STRONG> what about=20
custom object paths that the builder can specify? so instead of using an =
object=20
from the main path (pict3.rwx) they could specify this as the object=20
name:</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT =
color=3D#808080> <snipped=20
irrelevant information></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><FONT =
color=3D#808080> <FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>The issue again rises about slowing down the people with all of =
the=20
custom objects, but then again, visibility is limited (right?) so you =
would only=20
be loading objects within a radius and (if you set it) of a certain size =
in=20
KB... that would be worth it.</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You have to download the objects anyway =
-- it=20
wouldn't be any slower.  (OK, thats not exactly true.  If =
someone were=20
hosting objects on their 56K connection then it would be a really slow =
download,=20
however with a 56K connection I would estimate your IP changes at least =
once a=20
day (due to disconnects).  No one would even try beyond once to =
host=20
objects on their systems.  Its not a big risk to add this feature=20
:-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#808080><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><STRONG>5.</STRONG> Out of curiousity...  At what point is =
active=20
worlds going to <EM><U>actually</U></EM> advertise?  Biggest =
complaint I=20
get about AW is that people have no idea who or what they are... AW is =
great,=20
indeed, but as it stands, their marketing sux.  Word of mouth, =
while=20
somewhat effective, shouldn't be depended on by a company with a listing =
on=20
<U>NASDAQ</U>... <STRONG>I want to see a commercial during the superbowl =
for=20
Active Worlds!</STRONG></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is one of those annoying =
loops.  You need=20
money to advertise, and you need to advertise to make money.  Maybe =
Venture=20
Capital?   .....   However, I COULD see =
this...  "Who=20
needs this superbowl stuff, anyway?  If you love footwall so much =
why not=20
get right in the action and play against people all over the =
world?  You=20
gotta make the FootballBot yourself but hey go for it!"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#808080><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><STRONG>6</STRONG>. This one is probably a long shot but here =
goes: =20
Hey AW! Since you enjoy the use of Animated JPGs, why not let some of us =
know=20
where to get a program to make them? Animating a JPG file for AW =
manually=20
is rather like jumping into a bathtub full of razorblades: I'd rather =
avoid it=20
if I can... if there aren't any programs to automate the animated JPG =
process,=20
then for the love of god, make one!</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I would love to, but as you should very =
well know=20
there is no time lol  However I think this is a good idea -- any=20
programmers want this nice job?  People I am sure would take =
advantage of=20
it!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#808080><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><STRONG>7. </STRONG>I don't expect AW to actually do this one, =
but it=20
would be pretty darned kewl: be able to run a java applet in a picture =
frame in=20
VR.  Java picture effects would REALLY enhance VR=20
:)</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That would be nice, however it would =
slow AW=20
WAAAAAAAAY down.  I love Java, don't get me wrong.  In 1.3 the =
speed=20
improvements amaze me.  However, the Applet plugins still leave =
quite a bit=20
to be desired...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT color=3D#808080 face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Hope=20
Roland ... actually reads this...</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You wish lol ;-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>_________________________<BR>John Viper<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.jtsoft.net">http://www.jtsoft.net</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Microsoft C# - so 'Sharp', it'll poke your butt over to Java<BR>so =
fast=20
you wont know what crashed!" - Aaron Bockover<BR> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: =
0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"darian knight" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:DarianKnight at hotmail.com">DarianKnight at hotmail.com</A>>=
wrote=20
in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:3a37e0be at server1.Activeworlds.com">news:3a37e0be at server1.Act=
iveworlds.com</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Alright folks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>I'm back, and not to whine and =
complain=20
(cause I know AW hates that).</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is a true wishlist for 3.1 =
or 3.2 AW=20
that would catch them up to the pack in ratings. I am also adding a =
"How To"=20
after each one to give the polygon gods a few ideas on how to =
accomplish=20
the impossible :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>1.</STRONG> First order of=20
business:  AW 3.1 will have lighting, as in being able to create =
an=20
object and say "you're a light, now brighten the room damn it!".  =
This=20
should be amazingly good for metatropolis (and even lower the crime=20
rate).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>2.</STRONG> Second: Ok, =
I looked=20
into the reflectivity thing and got a general idea of why Roland keeps =
telling=20
me "No Way, No How." As I see it, reflectivity (mirrors and such) =
depend on a=20
closed world atmosphere with set boundries (ie: Quake III, UNREAL, =
Genesis=20
3D). So what I figure is that the AW browser doesn't impose =
boundries... it=20
just says "you can't build past such and such point".  General =
solution:=20
the end of the world is truly the end of the world, you can't even =
walk past=20
the edge. this should make reflectivity a little easier to handle=20
:)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>3.</STRONG> ok, I've heard it =
all before:=20
"Darian, if we put the option to load custom avatars in AW, everyone =
would do=20
it and it would slow everyone down." I thought about it for awhile and =

realized it wouldn't... there is a download limiter already =
embeded and=20
the custom avatars should count as objects (right?) so the users can =
lower=20
their download limits and viola, that problem is =
solved.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>4.</STRONG> what about custom =
object=20
paths that the builder can specify? so instead of using an object from =
the=20
main path (pict3.rwx) they could specify this as the object =
name:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://www.vr6online.net/awobjects/pict4.rwx"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>www.vr6online.net/awobjects/pict4.rwx</FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(don't bother clicking that address =
folks it=20
doesn't work)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The issue again rises about slowing =
down the=20
people with all of the custom objects, but then again, visibility is =
limited=20
(right?) so you would only be loading objects within a radius and (if =
you set=20
it) of a certain size in KB... that would be worth it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>5.</STRONG> Out of =
curiousity...  At=20
what point is active worlds going to <EM><U>actually</U></EM> =
advertise? =20
Biggest complaint I get about AW is that people have no idea who or =
what they=20
are... AW is great, indeed, but as it stands, their marketing =
sux.  Word=20
of mouth, while somewhat effective, shouldn't be depended on by a =
company with=20
a listing on <U>NASDAQ</U>... <STRONG>I want to see a commercial =
during the=20
superbowl for Active Worlds!</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>6</STRONG>. This one is =
probably a long=20
shot but here goes:  Hey AW! Since you enjoy the use of Animated =
JPGs,=20
why not let some of us know where to get a program to make=20
them? Animating a JPG file for AW manually is rather like jumping =
into a=20
bathtub full of razorblades: I'd rather avoid it if I can... if there =
aren't=20
any programs to automate the animated JPG process, then for the love =
of god,=20
make one!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>7. </STRONG>I don't expect AW =
to actually=20
do this one, but it would be pretty darned kewl: be able to run a java =
applet=20
in a picture frame in VR.  Java picture effects would REALLY =
enhance VR=20
:)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well netizens, I must take leave =
again. =20
Liquid Cool wants to show me something (probably a house or something=20
*sighs*</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hope Roland or somebody actually =
reads=20
this...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Darian=20
Knight</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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eep

Dec 14, 2000, 11:48am

Stop posting in HTML, newbies. And, Darian, lose the graphic logo.

[View Quote] > Wow its actually you! I have some responses... 1. First order of busin=
ess: AW 3.1 will have lighting, as in being able to create an object and=
say "you're a light, now brighten the room damn it!". This should be am=
azingly good for metatropolis (and even lower the crime rate). I can't wa=
it hehe :-)2. Second: Ok, I looked into the reflectivity thing and got a =
general idea of why Roland keeps telling me "No Way, No How." As I see it=
, reflectivity (mirrors and such) depend on a closed world atmosphere wit=
h set boundries OK, so I have my browser normally set to 120M visibility.=
If I placed a mirror down, the browser would have to track another 120M=
worth of objects, and its another 120M per mirror object. That can real=
y add up and slow you down! Even if you programmed it to where it wouldn=
't render any objects outside the visibility of another object (say you h=
ad the mirror in a room) it would still have to render them because what =
if it were, for example, one of the new transclucent window panes you can=
put pictures on? It would just be the backdrop behind that! 4. what abo=
ut custom object paths that the builder can specify? so instead of using =
an object from the main path (pict3.rwx) they could specify this as the o=
bject name: <snipped irrelevant information> The issue again rises about =
slowing down the people with all of the custom objects, but then again, v=
isibility is limited (right?) so you would only be loading objects within=
a radius and (if you set it) of a certain size in KB... that would be wo=
rth it. You have to download the objects anyway -- it wouldn't be any slo=
wer. (OK, thats not exactly true. If someone were hosting objects on th=
eir 56K connection then it would be a really slow download, however with =
a 56K connection I would estimate your IP changes at least once a day (du=
e to disconnects). No one would even try beyond once to host objects on =
their systems. Its not a big risk to add this feature :-) 5. Out of curi=
ousity... At what point is active worlds going to actually advertise? B=
iggest complaint I get about AW is that people have no idea who or what t=
hey are... AW is great, indeed, but as it stands, their marketing sux. W=
ord of mouth, while somewhat effective, shouldn't be depended on by a com=
pany with a listing on NASDAQ... I want to see a commercial during the su=
perbowl for Active Worlds! This is one of those annoying loops. You need=
money to advertise, and you need to advertise to make money. Maybe Vent=
ure Capital? ..... However, I COULD see this... "Who needs this supe=
rbowl stuff, anyway? If you love footwall so much why not get right in t=
he action and play against people all over the world? You gotta make the=
FootballBot yourself but hey go for it!" 6. This one is probably a long =
shot but here goes: Hey AW! Since you enjoy the use of Animated JPGs, wh=
y not let some of us know where to get a program to make them? Animating =
a JPG file for AW manually is rather like jumping into a bathtub full of =
razorblades: I'd rather avoid it if I can... if there aren't any programs=
to automate the animated JPG process, then for the love of god, make one=
! I would love to, but as you should very well know there is no time lol =
However I think this is a good idea -- any programmers want this nice jo=
b? People I am sure would take advantage of it! 7. I don't expect AW to =
actually do this one, but it would be pretty darned kewl: be able to run =
a java applet in a picture frame in VR. Java picture effects would REALL=
Y enhance VR :) That would be nice, however it would slow AW WAAAAAAAAY d=
own. I love Java, don't get me wrong. In 1.3 the speed improvements ama=
ze me. However, the Applet plugins still leave quite a bit to be desired=
=2E.. Hope Roland ... actually reads this... You wish lol ;-)
>
[View Quote]

> "darian knight" <DarianKnight at hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3=
a37e0be at server1.Activeworlds.com...Alright folks, I'm back, and not to wh=
ine and complain (cause I know AW hates that). This is a true wishlist fo=
r 3.1 or 3.2 AW that would catch them up to the pack in ratings. I am als=
o adding a "How To" after each one to give the polygon gods a few ideas o=
n how to accomplish the impossible :) 1. First order of business: AW 3.1=
will have lighting, as in being able to create an object and say "you're=
a light, now brighten the room damn it!". This should be amazingly good=
for metatropolis (and even lower the crime rate). 2. Second: Ok, I looke=
d into the reflectivity thing and got a general idea of why Roland keeps =
telling me "No Way, No How." As I see it, reflectivity (mirrors and such)=
depend on a closed world atmosphere with set boundries (ie: Quake III, U=
NREAL, Genesis 3D). So what I figure is that the AW browser doesn't impos=
e boundries... it just says "you can't build past such and such point". =
General solution: the end of the world is truly the end of the world, you=
can't even walk past the edge. this should make reflectivity a little ea=
sier to handle :) 3. ok, I've heard it all before: "Darian, if we put the=
option to load custom avatars in AW, everyone would do it and it would s=
low everyone down." I thought about it for awhile and realized it wouldn'=
t... there is a download limiter already embeded and the custom avatars s=
hould count as objects (right?) so the users can lower their download lim=
its and viola, that problem is solved. 4. what about custom object paths =
that the builder can specify? so instead of using an object from the main=
path (pict3.rwx) they could specify this as the object name: www.vr6onli=
ne.net/awobjects/pict4.rwx (don't bother clicking that address folks it d=
oesn't work) The issue again rises about slowing down the people with all=
of the custom objects, but then again, visibility is limited (right?) so=
you would only be loading objects within a radius and (if you set it) of=
a certain size in KB... that would be worth it. 5. Out of curiousity... =
At what point is active worlds going to actually advertise? Biggest com=
plaint I get about AW is that people have no idea who or what they are...=
AW is great, indeed, but as it stands, their marketing sux. Word of mou=
th, while somewhat effective, shouldn't be depended on by a company with =
a listing on NASDAQ... I want to see a commercial during the superbowl fo=
r Active Worlds! 6. This one is probably a long shot but here goes: Hey =
AW! Since you enjoy the use of Animated JPGs, why not let some of us know=
where to get a program to make them? Animating a JPG file for AW manuall=
y is rather like jumping into a bathtub full of razorblades: I'd rather a=
void it if I can... if there aren't any programs to automate the animated=
JPG process, then for the love of god, make one! 7. I don't expect AW to=
actually do this one, but it would be pretty darned kewl: be able to run=
a java applet in a picture frame in VR. Java picture effects would REAL=
LY enhance VR :) Well netizens, I must take leave again. Liquid Cool wan=
ts to show me something (probably a house or something *sighs* Hope Rolan=
d or somebody actually reads this...
>

tony56

Dec 15, 2000, 10:35pm

I'm with Eep on this one.. (look back at my post asking about HTML in
community NG on why)

--
- Tony56 (chandler56 at mail.com)
"Freedom: That's What The Government Wants You To Believe!"
____________________________________________________________
[View Quote] [View Quote] > Wow its actually you! I have some responses... 1. First order of
business: AW 3.1 will have lighting, as in being able to create an
object and say "you're a light, now brighten the room damn it!". This
should be amazingly good for metatropolis (and even lower the crime
rate). I can't wait hehe :-)2. Second: Ok, I looked into the
reflectivity thing and got a general idea of why Roland keeps telling me
"No Way, No How." As I see it, reflectivity (mirrors and such) depend on
a closed world atmosphere with set boundries OK, so I have my browser
normally set to 120M visibility. If I placed a mirror down, the browser
would have to track another 120M worth of objects, and its another 120M
per mirror object. That can realy add up and slow you down! Even if
you programmed it to where it wouldn't render any objects outside the
visibility of another object (say you had the mirror in a room) it would
still have to render them because what if it were, for example, one of
the new transclucent window panes you can put pictures on? It would
just be the backdrop behind that! 4. what about custom object paths that
the builder can specify? so instead of using an object from the main
path (pict3.rwx) they could specify this as the object name: <snipped
irrelevant information> The issue again rises about slowing down the
people with all of the custom objects, but then again, visibility is
limited (right?) so you would only be loading objects within a radius
and (if you set it) of a certain size in KB... that would be worth it.
You have to download the objects anyway -- it wouldn't be any slower.
(OK, thats not exactly true. If someone were hosting objects on their
56K connection then it would be a really slow download, however with a
56K connection I would estimate your IP changes at least once a day (due
to disconnects). No one would even try beyond once to host objects on
their systems. Its not a big risk to add this feature :-) 5. Out of
curiousity... At what point is active worlds going to actually
advertise? Biggest complaint I get about AW is that people have no idea
who or what they are... AW is great, indeed, but as it stands, their
marketing sux. Word of mouth, while somewhat effective, shouldn't be
depended on by a company with a listing on NASDAQ... I want to see a
commercial during the superbowl for Active Worlds! This is one of those
annoying loops. You need money to advertise, and you need to advertise
to make money. Maybe Venture Capital? ..... However, I COULD see
this... "Who needs this superbowl stuff, anyway? If you love footwall
so much why not get right in the action and play against people all over
the world? You gotta make the FootballBot yourself but hey go for it!"
6. This one is probably a long shot but here goes: Hey AW! Since you
enjoy the use of Animated JPGs, why not let some of us know where to get
a program to make them? Animating a JPG file for AW manually is rather
like jumping into a bathtub full of razorblades: I'd rather avoid it if
I can... if there aren't any programs to automate the animated JPG
process, then for the love of god, make one! I would love to, but as you
should very well know there is no time lol However I think this is a
good idea -- any programmers want this nice job? People I am sure would
take advantage of it! 7. I don't expect AW to actually do this one, but
it would be pretty darned kewl: be able to run a java applet in a
picture frame in VR. Java picture effects would REALLY enhance VR :)
That would be nice, however it would slow AW WAAAAAAAAY down. I love
Java, don't get me wrong. In 1.3 the speed improvements amaze me.
However, the Applet plugins still leave quite a bit to be desired...
Hope Roland ... actually reads this... You wish lol ;-)
>
[View Quote]

> "darian knight" <DarianKnight at hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3a37e0be at server1.Activeworlds.com...Alright folks, I'm back, and
not to whine and complain (cause I know AW hates that). This is a true
wishlist for 3.1 or 3.2 AW that would catch them up to the pack in
ratings. I am also adding a "How To" after each one to give the polygon
gods a few ideas on how to accomplish the impossible :) 1. First order
of business: AW 3.1 will have lighting, as in being able to create an
object and say "you're a light, now brighten the room damn it!". This
should be amazingly good for metatropolis (and even lower the crime
rate). 2. Second: Ok, I looked into the reflectivity thing and got a
general idea of why Roland keeps telling me "No Way, No How." As I see
it, reflectivity (mirrors and such) depend on a closed world atmosphere
with set boundries (ie: Quake III, UNREAL, Genesis 3D). So what I figure
is that the AW browser doesn't impose boundries... it just says "you
can't build past such and such point". General solution: the end of the
world is truly the end of the world, you can't even walk past the edge.
this should make reflectivity a little easier to handle :) 3. ok, I've
heard it all before: "Darian, if we put the option to load custom
avatars in AW, everyone would do it and it would slow everyone down." I
thought about it for awhile and realized it wouldn't... there is a
download limiter already embeded and the custom avatars should count as
objects (right?) so the users can lower their download limits and viola,
that problem is solved. 4. what about custom object paths that the
builder can specify? so instead of using an object from the main path
(pict3.rwx) they could specify this as the object name:
www.vr6online.net/awobjects/pict4.rwx (don't bother clicking that
address folks it doesn't work) The issue again rises about slowing down
the people with all of the custom objects, but then again, visibility is
limited (right?) so you would only be loading objects within a radius
and (if you set it) of a certain size in KB... that would be worth it.
5. Out of curiousity... At what point is active worlds going to
actually advertise? Biggest complaint I get about AW is that people
have no idea who or what they are... AW is great, indeed, but as it
stands, their marketing sux. Word of mouth, while somewhat effective,
shouldn't be depended on by a company with a listing on NASDAQ... I want
to see a commercial during the superbowl for Active Worlds! 6. This one
is probably a long shot but here goes: Hey AW! Since you enjoy the use
of Animated JPGs, why not let some of us know where to get a program to
make them? Animating a JPG file for AW manually is rather like jumping
into a bathtub full of razorblades: I'd rather avoid it if I can... if
there aren't any programs to automate the animated JPG process, then for
the love of god, make one! 7. I don't expect AW to actually do this one,
but it would be pretty darned kewl: be able to run a java applet in a
picture frame in VR. Java picture effects would REALLY enhance VR :)
Well netizens, I must take leave again. Liquid Cool wants to show me
something (probably a house or something *sighs* Hope Roland or somebody
actually reads this...
>

sw comit

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Jan 4, 2001, 9:41pm

[View Quote] Well, everything has to be predefined in some way, otherwise it can't
happen. By the way, I wasn't speaking about a specific mountain, I was
speaking about the terrain in general. It morphs when you shoot at it, or
make big explosions. So if the terrain happens to be a mountain somewhere,
you could keep shooting at it until it was a big hole. What you do therefore
has an impact on the terrain as a whole.

> AW places
> no such restrictions on the user, where they can build a mountain, delete
> it, replace it with a park bench, stick a pole in the middle of the park
> bench, build a house around the park bench and pole, delete the pole, etc.
> etc. etc. ... ad infinitum.

It doesn't? Well you seem to overlook a few things... first of all, if the
object isn't available, it can't be built in AW. There is a set of
predefined objects you are working with. You can insert an object, place it
somewhere and rotate it a bit (but only around it's up-down axis).

This works the same in such a game: there are objects, which are at specific
places, etc etc. The objects that are available are limited by the people
who made the game, just as the objects available in a world are limited by
the owner. Do you really think everything in a game is hard-coded into the
executable? That would be very silly. The kind of games that look like AW
usually just are a reality-simulator. The levels, monsters, players, etc are
all completely modular.

> As for games were you can build ... you can only build those things that
are
> supported within the game

In AW you can only build the things provided by the world's owner. If you
own a world yourself, you can put in anything you want.

In those games, you can only build the things provided by the creators of
the game. It is possible to add things, if not by the players, then by the
creators themselves. (read: add-on packs with extra levels, monsters,
pickups, bonusses, etc)

See the similarities?

> and interaction with these "objects" is also
> restricted to what is supported within the game.

Of course it is. But this is the same in AW. You can only interact with
stuff in predefined ways. You can come up with new, creative ways to use
those interactions, for example a bot that reacts on an avatar gesture. But
you don't really create any new way to interact. Interaction in AW is
limited to moving (moving to a certain area, or bumping into things),
talking, using gestures and clicking on things. Nothing more. This is how AW
restricts what you can do. You can use some of these things by standard
(clicking, bumping, coming near an object), and write little scripts for
them. But scripts are nothing special, it's a fairly common way to make
things happen. For example, the Creatures series of games is completely
driven by a scripting language. Creatures happens to be 2D, but it would be
nothing different if it were 3D. Also, you can write bots, but that's
similar to writing a plug in for a game. For example, someone has made an
excellent plugin for Quake, Reaperbots. This plugin controls a bunch of AI
players, and you can use it to brush up your deathmatch skills. (I can
recommend it to anyone who likes quake multiplayer)

> AW provides an environment
> where there are very few rules, and therefore handles any activity in a
> generic manner.

Just the same for games. Most 3D games provide an environment for the games
to live in, the game itself is created by the levels and the objects. Even
Wolfenstein 3D could run customizable levels!

> In the games you mention, the restrictions placed on the
> player represent the "fixed" aspects. You can only do what the game
supports
> which falls well short of a user's capabilities in AW.

In AW you can only do what AW supports, which isn't really all that much.

> It is hardly surprising that these games perform so much better than AW
due
> to the assumptions and subsequent shortcuts that can be made within the
> processing BECAUSE of these restrictions.

You seem to be working with *very* old knowledge, or you grossly
overestimate AW's capabilities.

> With the generic nature of AW's
> concept, everything must be handled in a "correct" manner ... and that
takes
> processing power.

In a game, stuff must be handled in a correct manner too. Take Carmageddon
II. There's a world, with various objects, and there are cars, which are
objects too. Now crash your car into a streetlight at 300km/h. As for the
game, this is just a matter of two objects hitting each other. Therefore, it
has to model the crash to see what happens. The streetlight might break off
and fly away, the car will deform, start to spin and maybe loose a few
parts. Nothing is constant, compared with other crashes - the size and shape
of the car, the size and shape of the streetlight, the overall world gravity
(lunar gravity bonus, anyone), the thickness of the free space around you
(you could be underwater), the speed and weight of the car, the speed and
weight of the streetlight (could already be moving), etc etc etc.

There are assumptions, of course. First of all, real world physics - gravity
for example. And the objects have been preprogrammed to tell the game that
they can break or deform at certain places. But *what* happens, and when and
how, has to be done in the game itself.

Now, for AW, the only physics it has to deal with are the movements of your
avatar. You'll fall down, unless you are flying, and you won't walk through
solid objects, unless you use shift. And if you are flying you'll keep on
going for a while after you stopped pressing the keys.

> Here's an example (of the point - don't take it too
> literally regarding AW). Imagine a ten-pin bowling alley. The rules are
> strict here - if the ball hits the pins at a certain point, from a certain
> direction, the fixed starting position of the pins can be relied upon and
> the after-effects of the strike can be rapidly rendered BECAUSE of this
> fact. Now imagine the same bowling alley in AW ... where the pins can be
put
> anywhere. Each object (e.g. the ball, the pins, etc.) must be handled
> discretely and all the impacts individually calculated and rendered before
> moving on to the next point in time (e.g. frame) because there are no
> assumptions that can be made. There is a massive overhead in handling
> real-world, flexible environments where rules are few and far between
> compared to those where the bounds of interaction are so limited.

Nice example, but it doesn't apply here at all. The physics of the bowling
alley aren't dealt with by the world server, nor by the AW client (unless
you try to walk through it). AW has no native support for moving objects
that influence other objects, and doesn't do any real world physics on them
either. What really happens is this: there's a bot (plug-in) that provides
the game. The bot only knows about balls and pins. The bot notices that you
try to throw a ball, and then handles the moving and the impact. This is
exactly the same as in a standalone bowling game, and everything happens on
the computer the bot runs on. The only thing your client gets through is
where the pins and the ball move, which is the same as when someone's avatar
moves, or when someone moves an object while building.

There simply *is* no real-world, flexible environment with few rules. AW has
very strict rules, even. You seem to think of AW as something much more
sophisticated than it is.

Rolu

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rolu

Feb 9, 2001, 7:35pm

[View Quote] If you'd do that, you won't get a sphere, but a torus. A doughnut shaped
world. Still a very interesting shape :-)

rolu

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