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Jan 26, 1999, 11:07am

Well I wonder if putting up a request here does any good but here goes.
Include MP3 files as one of the audio files used in the browser. They
can reduce a 50 mb file into only 3-5 mb. It would do wonders for
special sound effects. I know you can put it in but only those with an
MP3 player can here them.

Jan 26, 1999, 11:31am

Good suggestion!!! However, you might want to get in line. That has
been a suggestion for quite a while now. Hopefully, if the new company
is good on their word, they might hire some new programmers to put in some
of those frills we have been demanding.

[View Quote] > Well I wonder if putting up a request here does any good but here goes.
> Include MP3 files as one of the audio files used in the browser. They
> can reduce a 50 mb file into only 3-5 mb. It would do wonders for
> special sound effects. I know you can put it in but only those with an
> MP3 player can here them.

Jan 26, 1999, 6:56pm

LARGE MP3s would be VERY impractical in AW, considering how long it already takes for everything ELSE to download. However, you CAN already use MP3-encoded WAVs in AW, but people need to have the CODEC installed in order to hear them, obviously. MP3 encoding DOES make EXISTING WAVs much smaller (retaining quality), resulting in quicker downloads.

[View Quote] > Well I wonder if putting up a request here does any good but here goes.
> Include MP3 files as one of the audio files used in the browser. They
> can reduce a 50 mb file into only 3-5 mb. It would do wonders for
> special sound effects. I know you can put it in but only those with an
> MP3 player can here them.

Jan 26, 1999, 11:30pm

Well I just started reading this newsgroup thismorning and so I am not up to
date on what has been discussed here in the past. All I know is that I have
some wav files that are important in my world and I need to make them smaller.
Midi files wont work for what I am doing and the wav is way too big.

[View Quote] > Good suggestion!!! However, you might want to get in line. That has
> been a suggestion for quite a while now. Hopefully, if the new company
> is good on their word, they might hire some new programmers to put in some
> of those frills we have been demanding.
>
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Jan 27, 1999, 12:13am

If it's too big a wav to upload, you always have the option of converting it into
a .ra file, and calling it like a web page with a create URL. Realaudio will then
launch, download it, and play in the background :-) but embedded mp3 would be
even nicer, hehe

grover


[View Quote] > Well I just started reading this newsgroup thismorning and so I am not up to
> date on what has been discussed here in the past. All I know is that I have
> some wav files that are important in my world and I need to make them smaller.
> Midi files wont work for what I am doing and the wav is way too big.
>
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Jan 27, 1999, 5:03am

Hellllooooo, all MP3 is is an ENCODING format for WAVs. It's already possible in AW since AW already supports WAVs. Drive through...

[View Quote] > If it's too big a wav to upload, you always have the option of converting it into
> a .ra file, and calling it like a web page with a create URL. Realaudio will then
> launch, download it, and play in the background :-) but embedded mp3 would be
> even nicer, hehe
>
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Jan 27, 1999, 1:52pm

If MP3 is implemented in the browser you don't need an extra MP3 player to
hear them.

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Jan 27, 1999, 1:54pm

This codec is automatically installed with win98. I don't know about 95, but
I believe it was the case there, too.

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Jan 27, 1999, 8:26pm

<smack> but mp3s need special DECODING script in order to be decoded by a wav player. Just cos it ends in .wav doesn't mean it's a
compatible format. Here's an idea- try uploading an .mp3 file into AW as a .wav and see if it plays. Does it??? Never did for me, but
I'm just a part-time programmer, and not a professional "QA" guy so I of course know absolutely nothing about computers... Don't
bother me, twip! If you're gonna try and belittle my posts, you at least coulda come up with something better, like "what if their web
browser isn't open?"

grover

[View Quote] > Hellllooooo, all MP3 is is an ENCODING format for WAVs. It's already possible in AW since AW already supports WAVs. Drive through...
>
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Jan 27, 1999, 9:20pm

Heh, you idiot. Did you even BOTHER to read my OTHER response to the original message in this thread? I doubt it. Duh, you need the CODEC installed to play them. I stated that in my original reply. You're not a very good part-time programmer either, I bet. ;P

And note your wacky line length. Up it, champ, so it doesn't look like shit:

[View Quote] > <smack> but mp3s need special DECODING script in order to be decoded by a wav player. Just cos it ends in .wav doesn't mean it's a
> compatible format. Here's an idea- try uploading an .mp3 file into AW as a .wav and see if it plays. Does it??? Never did for me, but
> I'm just a part-time programmer, and not a professional "QA" guy so I of course know absolutely nothing about computers... Don't
> bother me, twip! If you're gonna try and belittle my posts, you at least coulda come up with something better, like "what if their web
> browser isn't open?"
>
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Jan 27, 1999, 9:47pm

Actually, I'm very good at the programs I do, which are mostly numerical-based to aid in scientific problems. I don't pretend to be the know-all god of win.api that you do. But the fact remains that you STILL NEED THE CODEC TO RUN MP3S IN AW! Which is
*exactly* what I said in my last post; And why are you constantly contradicting yourself? In one post you state "You need extra code to play .mp3s in AW" then turn around and say "AW can already plays mp3s because mp3s are just wavs" Do you have any idea at
all of how wavs actually work? Or how to embed MCI or OLE devices in a program? Do you have any idea of what it would take to actually implement what you consider "simple"? I didn't think so.

So, until you send everyone using AW a driver that will allow us to play .mp3 files with any windows MCI program, I'll keep saying that AW doesn't support .mp3 files.

grover

[View Quote] > Heh, you idiot. Did you even BOTHER to read my OTHER response to the original message in

duh. like i'd skip the message you wrote yesteday but reply to this one. OF COURSE I READ IT.

> this thread? I doubt it. Duh, you need the CODEC installed to play them. I stated that in my original reply. You're not a very good part-time programmer either, I bet. ;P
>
> And note your wacky line length. Up it, champ, so it doesn't look like shit:

hey, don't ask me to reformat my posts, just cos you don't run your screen at 1280x1024. Besides, don't you remember the problems people have with *your* posts? You know, the one where people with the default settings see your posts as a single line??

>
>
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Jan 28, 1999, 5:45am

You can't just rename an MP3 to a WAV file. It needs to get a wave file
header, too.

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Jan 28, 1999, 6:42am

Eep² even isn't a programmer so just ignore him....

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Jan 28, 1999, 8:41pm

[View Quote] > Actually, I'm very good at the programs I do, which are mostly numerical-based to aid in scientific problems.

Uh huh...

> I don't pretend to be the know-all god of win.api that you do.

I do? Funny, I never claimed to pretend this... Dig your disillusionment. Sad...

> But the fact remains that you STILL NEED THE CODEC TO RUN MP3S IN AW! Which is *exactly* what I said in my last post; And why are you constantly contradicting yourself? In one post you state "You need extra code to play .mp3s in AW" then turn around and say "AW can already plays mp3s because mp3s are just wavs"

Actually, from my first response (news://news.activeworlds.com/36AE2BF2.5DA8A8F8%40tnlc.com), I said: "However,
you CAN already use MP3-encoded WAVs in AW, but people need to have the CODEC installed in order to hear them, obviously."

And since AW can play WAVs, and all MP3s are are MP3-encoded WAVs, AW can already play them (assuming you have the MP3 CODEC--duh)! Read more carefully, champ.

> Do you have any idea at all of how wavs actually work?

<blink> Gee, what's a WAV, Wilbur? Ahyuk...

> Or how to embed MCI or OLE devices in a program?

Nope, considering I don't program. Wee...

> Do you have any idea of what it would take to actually implement what you consider "simple"?

Yep, sure do: the MP3 CODEC. :)

> I didn't think so.

No, you just don't THINK. I know how to play MP3-enoded WAVs, which is all anyone needs to know to play them in AW.

> So, until you send everyone using AW a driver that will allow us to play .mp3 files with any windows MCI program, I'll keep saying that AW doesn't support .mp3 files.

Then you'll keeping being idiotic, as usual. Sad, grover...you have so much potential...yet so much idiocy too. What a combination...I pity you.

If you don't have an MPEG-Layer 3 CODEC, get the latest Microsoft Media Player at http://www.microsoft.com/msdownload/iebuild/mplayer_win32/en/mplayer_win32.htm.

> grover

Duh.

[View Quote] Obviously not well enough. Reread it.

>
> hey, don't ask me to reformat my posts, just cos you don't run your screen at 1280x1024. Besides, don't you remember the problems people have with *your* posts? You know, the one where people with the default settings see your posts as a single line??

Yep, and enabling a simple thing as wordwrapping will "fix" it. But at higher resolutions my messages still don't fragment like yours do at LOWER resolutions. Just use the maximum line length for messages and you'll be fine, sport. You can do it, superchamp! We're all rootin' fer ya! <smirk>

Jan 28, 1999, 10:08pm

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
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Jan 29, 1999, 12:36am

[View Quote] [View Quote] Uh huh. Sure it is. Shut up. Note how you didn't leave quoted what you thought you said. How ironic...drive through, sport.

>
> Nope, I didn't think you had a clue. Thanks for confirming my suspicions. (It's a lot more complicated than plugging in a toaster, ya know)

Gee, all I did to play MP3-encoded WAVs was install the CODEC. You must just be an idiot if you can't figure THAT much out. Wee...

>
> Well, at least I don't need THIS in my header for others to read my posts!: "Enable line/wordwrapping if text isn't wrapping. Go beyond short line lengths and fixed-width fonts to use screen width efficiently and reduce quote formatting breakup."

I don't NEED that in my header for others to READ my posts. People can READ them just fine. I just tired of having to TELL people the obvious each time they mentioned how my posts didn't wordwrap. Now learn how to specify line length correctly so YOUR posts don't look all shitty on <1280x1024 resolutions. Duh. Idiot.

>
> And at least you're using the right handle now :-)
>
> grover

And you enjoy being repetitive (hey, just like your infinitely-repeating ground!) by putting your name at the end of all your posts. It's obvious they're YOUR posts. That's what the "duh" was for, champ. Duh (for your inability to grasp this simple concept).

Jan 29, 1999, 5:09am

[View Quote] No not necessaricly.
BUt there's a difference between 'mp3' and 'mp3 encoded wav'. With most
encoders you can choose either one of those. I am able to play 'mp3 encoded
wav's' normally with my windows-wav-playing-thing.

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>Here's an idea- try uploading an .mp3 file into AW as a .wav and see if it
plays. Does it???
>Never did for me, but
>I'm just a part-time programmer, and not a professional "QA" guy so I of
course know absolutely
>nothing about computers... Don't
>bother me, twip! If you're gonna try and belittle my posts, you at least
coulda come up with
>something better, like "what if their web
>browser isn't open?"
>
>grover
>
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Jan 29, 1999, 5:12am

[View Quote] Aha.. That explains why I can play mp3-encoded-wavs just with windows...

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Jan 29, 1999, 5:41am

[View Quote] Maybe you don't claim to pretend it.
BUt you really do give the impression...

Which is *exactly* what I said in my last post; And why are you constantly
contradicting yourself? In one post you state "You need extra code to play
..mp3s in AW" then turn around and say "AW can already plays mp3s because
mp3s are just wavs"
>
>Actually, from my first response
(news://news.activeworlds.com/36AE2BF2.5DA8A8F8%40tnlc.com), I said:
"However,
>you CAN already use MP3-encoded WAVs in AW, but people need to have the
CODEC installed in order to hear them, obviously."
>
>And since AW can play WAVs, and all MP3s are are MP3-encoded WAVs, AW can
already play them (assuming you have the MP3 CODEC--duh)! Read more
carefully, champ.
>
>
><blink> Gee, what's a WAV, Wilbur? Ahyuk...
>
>
>Nope, considering I don't program. Wee...
>
consider "simple"?
>
>Yep, sure do: the MP3 CODEC. :)
>
>
>No, you just don't THINK. I know how to play MP3-enoded WAVs, which is all
anyone needs to know to play them in AW.
>
..mp3 files with any windows MCI program, I'll keep saying that AW doesn't
support .mp3 files.
>
>Then you'll keeping being idiotic, as usual. Sad, grover...you have so much
potential...yet so much idiocy too. What a combination...I pity you.
>
>If you don't have an MPEG-Layer 3 CODEC, get the latest Microsoft Media
Player at
http://www.microsoft.com/msdownload/iebuild/mplayer_win32/en/mplayer_win32.h
tm.
>
>
>Duh.
>
original message in
OF COURSE I READ IT.
>
>Obviously not well enough. Reread it.
>
them. I stated that in my original reply. You're not a very good part-time
programmer either, I bet. ;P
shit:
screen at 1280x1024. Besides, don't you remember the problems people have
with *your* posts? You know, the one where people with the default settings
see your posts as a single line??
>
>Yep, and enabling a simple thing as wordwrapping will "fix" it. But at
higher resolutions my messages still don't fragment like yours do at LOWER
resolutions. Just use the maximum line length for messages and you'll be
fine, sport. You can do it, superchamp! We're all rootin' fer ya! <smirk>
>
by a wav player. Just cos it ends in .wav doesn't mean it's a
AW as a .wav and see if it plays. Does it??? Never did for me, but
of course know absolutely nothing about computers... Don't
least coulda come up with something better, like "what if their web
already possible in AW since AW already supports WAVs. Drive through...
>

Jan 29, 1999, 6:06am

[View Quote] [View Quote] So stop being impressed with me. ;P

Jan 29, 1999, 8:23pm

[View Quote] > Uh huh. Sure it is. Shut up. Note how you didn't leave quoted what you thought you said. How ironic...drive through, sport.

I paraphrased, champ, paraphrased. No quotes required for that.

> Gee, all I did to play MP3-encoded WAVs was install the CODEC. You must just be an idiot if you can't figure THAT much out. Wee...

Right. And since my TV has a clock in it, it must be as wasy to manufacture as an alarm clock. After all, I only need to plug them in to use them!

[So, your "idiotically" simple solution to this is to get Roland to liscense the rights to MS Mplayer, so that he can use it to install the mp3 CODECS?]

Here's another question for ya: can the windows mp3-CODECS handle streaming mp3? Cos that's gonna be the next request... Or for that matter, ra! after all, ra is getting better in quality, and still kicks the pants off mp3 for teeny size. Do ra-CODECS exist for MCI?


>
> I don't NEED that in my header for others to READ my posts. People can READ them just fine. I just tired of having to TELL people the obvious each time they mentioned how my posts didn't wordwrap. Now learn how to specify line length correctly so YOUR posts don't look all shitty on <1280x1024 resolutions. Duh. Idiot.
>

Perhaps it's not everyone else that's the problem Eep- did you ever stop to think that it's your options that could be in err? No, of course you didn't... because you're the infallible zippy the wonder-win!

>
> And you enjoy being repetitive (hey, just like your infinitely-repeating ground!) by putting your name at the end of all your posts. It's obvious they're YOUR posts. That's what the "duh" was for, champ. Duh (for your inability to grasp this simple concept).

Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! At least *I* can grasp the deep intellectual concept of sarcasm!
Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! <- cos I enjoy being repetitive :-)

grover <- cos I like to sign my letters, even though who I am is *clearly* marked in the return address on the envelope!

Jan 29, 1999, 8:56pm

[View Quote] [View Quote] You paraphraised WRONG, superchamp. Pull up to the SECOND window...

>
> Right. And since my TV has a clock in it, it must be as wasy to manufacture as an alarm clock. After all, I only need to plug them in to use them!
>
> [So, your "idiotically" simple solution to this is to get Roland to liscense the rights to MS Mplayer, so that he can use it to install the mp3 CODECS?]

Um, nope. You don't need to license anything to play MPG Layer-3-encoded files, genius. You really need to think more or something. Maybe your lameness is just genetic or something. The CODEC is free to download. I originally got it off some MP3 site. I believe it was orginally part of Microsoft NetShow, but the MP3 site webmaster just pulled out the CODEC and it was only 177K zipped. If you still haven't gotten a clue and figured out how to get it, I'll email it to you. Just say the word, superguy! :)

> Here's another question for ya: can the windows mp3-CODECS handle streaming mp3? Cos that's gonna be the next request... Or for that matter, ra! after all, ra is getting better in quality, and still kicks the pants off mp3 for teeny size. Do ra-CODECS exist for MCI?

Dunno; duncare. This is irrelevant to our discussion. Stop trying to save your misunderstanding.

>
> Perhaps it's not everyone else that's the problem Eep- did you ever stop to think that it's your options that could be in err? No, of course you didn't... because you're the infallible zippy the wonder-win!

It's only those people's "problem" who have their newsreaders set NOT to linewrap. My "options" (line length) are (is) fine when newsreaders linewrap (which should be the default anyway). The only problem I've noticed (in Netscape Messenger anyway) is that quoting, in non-HTML messages, doesn't place ">" before every line, but instead one before the first line and one on a new line after the last line.

But YOUR line length looked like shit before (seems OK in this message though).

>
> Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! At least *I* can grasp the deep intellectual concept of sarcasm!
> Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! Duh!! <- cos I enjoy being repetitive :-)

No, cuz yer lame...

> grover <- cos I like to sign my letters, even though who I am is *clearly* marked in the return address on the envelope!

No, cuz yer an idiot who hasn't yet realized emails don't have envelopes. Duh.

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