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Jan 8, 1999, 9:06pm

Eep² brings in spirit into the community, just as you and I do.... :)

And though Eep² doesn't always present his views in a really respectful way,
he's usually right.

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Jan 8, 1999, 9:34pm

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> Only idiots make problems where they don't *have* to be.

Only idiots are idiots even though they don't HAVE to be idiots. :)

> Couldn't you have told me in a *normal* way that you meant something else??
> Or do you think it *is* normal to shout and flame as soon as someone makes a
> mistake?

"Normal" is relative. <yawn> I wasn't shouting but I WAS flaming. :)

>
> Cuz it didn't cross my mind that you might mean the chipset. If you're talking about 3d-stuff under Windows I don't think it's weird to associate Direct-X. Besides that, I didn't imagine s3 makes real 3d-cards.

What ELSE does S3 make? And actually they make 3D CHIPS, not cards, although I'm sure they made/make cards at one point. Yes, their chips are shit; hence why I even use them as an example to prove my point about not having a 3D card in your system. Duh. You're slow, huh?

>
> Everything fine and allright, but what the heck is that smiley doing there?
> Appearantly you find it also *funny* to make fools of other people.
> Honestly I think your making a fool of yourself picking at me because of a
> misunderstanding...

Wee. No, I just think you're an idiot because you don't quite understand the English language so, in your failed attempt at English communication, you look like an idiot. :) Hence the smiley. It amuses me. Duh.

> Are you systematically trying to ruine the atmosphere?

No, your idiocy has already ruined it.

> Are you trying to scare everyone away by behaving yourself like this?
> Is that why you are here? This stupid little thing is turning in to a fight.
> Isn't that pathetic?
> Try and get along man...

<yawn> Get off your pop psychology trip, sport. I'll get along when you stop being idiotic, deal? :)

Jan 8, 1999, 9:36pm

[View Quote] [View Quote] Apparently you never really studied your own either or you wouldn't be idiotic. :)

> Mostly it only annoys me.

Well you annoy me so I guess we're even. Wee.

> Your not really like contributing to a 'cosy' atmosphere..

Cosy? You want cosy go sit on a heated couch. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Buh-BOOM! Don't babble about stuff you don't know shit about in the future; it's one way to avoid this "non-cosy" atmosphere you're now involved in.

Jan 8, 1999, 9:39pm

Heh, I'm the "3D engine" of social communication, not the "sunroof fluff" of social interaction. I don't come here to play social mind games; I come here for concise AW-related discussion and 3D technical info. Anyway...

[View Quote] > And though Eep² doesn't always present his views in a really respectful way, he's usually right.

Jan 9, 1999, 2:18pm

The only cards I know about that are capable of rendering in a window are
voodoo rush and banshee based cards. All other cards only do full screen.

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Jan 9, 1999, 2:31pm

That was only one of the things that took us days... what about the
Nationale Wetenschapskwiz, met die logische vraag...

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Jan 9, 1999, 3:24pm

[View Quote] talking about 3d-stuff under Windows I don't think it's weird to associate
Direct-X. Besides that, I didn't imagine s3 makes real 3d-cards.
>
>What ELSE does S3 make?

*Normal* (2d-only) video-cards for instance...

> And actually they make 3D CHIPS, not cards, although I'm sure they
made/make cards at one point. > Yes, their chips are shit; hence why I even
use them as an example to prove my point about not
> having a 3D card in your system. Duh. You're slow, huh?

Even if you 'proved' your point":
I'd still rather have no 3d-card at all than a bad one. Not 3d-card saves
money (which I could use for buying a good one) and a bad one is a waste of
money.

talking about. In my mind,
experience/knowledge),
there?
a
>
>Wee. No, I just think you're an idiot because you don't quite understand
the English language so, >in your failed attempt at English communication,
you look like an idiot. :) Hence the smiley. It >amuses me. Duh.

Ok let's assume my English is worhtless so I shouldn't try to speak it.
What do you want me to do?
Speak Dutch? (I *do* speak dutch very well..)

>No, your idiocy has already ruined it.

Overreacting? [euphemism]

fight.
>
><yawn> Get off your pop psychology trip, sport. I'll get along when you
stop being idiotic, deal?
> :)

The only one who thinks I'm being idiotic because of a misunderstanding, is
you.
So maybe I should try not to misunderstand you and you should try not to
overreact.

Jan 9, 1999, 3:27pm

[View Quote] Like I said: you're the only one who think I'm being idiotic.
And I don't quite see the link between flaming me and using a smiley...

>
>Well you annoy me so I guess we're even. Wee.

Difference: I seem to annoy only *you*....

>
Cosy? You want cosy go sit on a heated couch. If you can't stand the heat,
get out of the kitchen. Buh-BOOM! Don't babble about stuff you don't know
shit about in the future; it's one way to avoid this "non-cosy" atmosphere
you're now involved in.

Jan 9, 1999, 6:55pm

There is a little problem with your "english" - it is american. So maybe you should learn to speak (and mostly read) in english too!!

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Jan 9, 1999, 6:58pm

Don't worry - if Eep is using a smiley it means he is sick :o))

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Jan 9, 1999, 7:03pm

[View Quote] [View Quote] Neither yours. Maybe american?

Jan 9, 1999, 8:12pm

Actually Eep does contribute a lot to these NG's. And he knows what he is
talking about.

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Jan 9, 1999, 8:16pm

Exactly. All the time things come up in you. Most of the time they are
wrong. However, you assume that they are right, and then you start to tell
us that you don't agree to something that we actually didn't even say. And
then it takes us days to make you see your error. If you make an assumption,
and then want to tell that you don't agree to it, first ask us if it
actually was what we meant. Most of the times it won't.

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Jan 9, 1999, 8:29pm

[View Quote] Again, that was what I said. Want me to quote?

>
Pentium
minimum
40m,
green
the
>
>Way to miss the point (yet again). Not everyone has a P200 and good 3D
card. AW's minimum >requirements are shit.

Again not right. You said COF gives a way too low minimum requirement, and
that the current engine is shit. You say they have to correct at least one
of these two. Then, I give AW's performance on a reasonable good computer
with 3D acceleration. Then I say that the performance still isn't very high.
I agreed to you on that point, I didn't decline it.

>
and
>
>No, what Roland needs to do is bug the shit out of Criterion to provide
ADEQUATE RenderWare Direct3D drivers. You'd think after COF (although
probably actually Worlds) paid, what, $10K (or a few $K to upgrade from
version 2.0) for RenderWare 2.1 they'd at least want to get their money's
worth. I already tried bugging them but I can only do so much since I don't
actually have a license with them. COF should. I even posted about this on
their listserve but Criterion never responded and some other people who paid
big money for RenderWare were pretty pissed too. For all intensive purposes,
RenderWare is dead.


Mabye Roland should try OpenGL. Nowadays, it's reasonable fast, gives a WAY
better image quality, has full 3dfx support (and other hardware
acceleration, I believe), is system-independent, and well documented. And
best, its totally *free*. No licenses, no $10K. OpenGL lives, more and more
hardware accelerator producers deliver OpenGL drivers with their cards. More
and more games and apps use OpenGL. OpenGL is worked on all the time. In my
opinion, a *far* better choice than sticking to RenderWare.

Jan 9, 1999, 8:33pm

3fps just sucks, IMHO.

btw, if you want to buy a better car, at least one has to be available. The
AWbrowser is the "best" there is, and also the worst.

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Jan 9, 1999, 8:37pm

Yep, the only reason I have my computer is because my father wanted a new
one and gave this one to me. If something expensive breaks down, I won't be
able to replace it... *crosses fingers...*

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Jan 9, 1999, 8:38pm

Again you're stupid. We had this discussion at least once before.

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Jan 9, 1999, 8:44pm

Well, if i got an s3 3d card, i'd probably put it in a puter somewhere.
Unless there was already a better card there :)

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[ Fluxen Dean-Christian Strik ]
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[ fluxen at bigfoot.com dean2 at bigfoot.com ]

The nice thing of standards is that there are so many to choose from.
-- Andrew S. Tanenbaum

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Jan 9, 1999, 8:45pm

I have a P166 (noMMX) with a Trust (Aashima) Voodoo Dragon II. Not all too
fast with, say, unreal or carma2, but i think the proc is the bottleneck.

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[ Fluxen Dean-Christian Strik ]
[ ICQ: 11760568 ISG RhinoSoft ]
[ fluxen at bigfoot.com dean2 at bigfoot.com ]

The nice thing of standards is that there are so many to choose from.
-- Andrew S. Tanenbaum

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Jan 9, 1999, 8:46pm

[View Quote] .... :)

>And I don't quite see the link between flaming me and using a smiley...

Piss off, idiot :)

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[ Fluxen Dean-Christian Strik ]
[ ICQ: 11760568 ISG RhinoSoft ]
[ fluxen at bigfoot.com dean2 at bigfoot.com ]

The nice thing of standards is that there are so many to choose from.
-- Andrew S. Tanenbaum

Jan 9, 1999, 8:48pm

I think you overestimate the difference between british-english and american
english.

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[ Fluxen Dean-Christian Strik ]
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[ fluxen at bigfoot.com dean2 at bigfoot.com ]

The nice thing of standards is that there are so many to choose from.
-- Andrew S. Tanenbaum

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Jan 9, 1999, 9:10pm

[View Quote] I don't think so.


>The nice thing of standards is that there are so many to choose from.
>-- Andrew S. Tanenbaum
>
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Jan 9, 1999, 9:22pm

You don't? Then tell me what difference plays a role here.

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[ Fluxen Dean-Christian Strik ]
[ ICQ: 11760568 ISG RhinoSoft ]
[ fluxen at bigfoot.com dean2 at bigfoot.com ]

The nice thing of standards is that there are so many to choose from.
-- Andrew S. Tanenbaum

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Jan 10, 1999, 12:23am

Wow... ethnic, religious and newbie abuse in one posting..impressive Eep²!

First-up: I agree that renderware is letting AW down, and that hardware
rendering will put AW miles ahead of other 3d online environments including
VRML based ones. ie I dont disagree with your premise, but rather you means
of expressing it:

>You must be new to AW.

Anyone that expresses a contrary opinion is automatically a newbie or an
idiot?? Why can't you accept that other have VALID opinions (generally in
this thread they are not disagreed that the 3d engine can be improved, but
on relative priority) eg:

>Right, and the balance begins with better 3D hardware support. Do you (or
have you ever) work(ed) in the computer industry? I doubt it.

Need for a put down to validate your arguement? I think not.

>Oh, so you fell in love with how AW jerks, lags, and twitches? You must be
a Christian or something (a glutton for punishment).

Now I'm no puritan, but is it necessary to make religious slurs here?

>"car store", "Monstertruck", and "el-car"--English is DEFINTELY not your
native language. :)


American-centricity again? English IS my native language, and I have used
both car store and Monstertruck inconversation. I actually think that the
non-english-as-native-language posters here make perfect sense. The ability
to learn a second language to a level they have shown is quite hard. Do you
speak any other languages?

Honestly Eep², you should rethink your need to denigrate others to support
your arguements...let them stand on their merits.

Jan 10, 1999, 12:27am

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Unfortunately, yes, the classroom brat is also the smart-guy. He has the AW
tech side down pat.

Jan 10, 1999, 12:15pm

[View Quote] Yes but the way he says it makes me not wanna know it.


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Jan 10, 1999, 12:17pm

[View Quote] Maybe your stupid.
Don't be so arrogant.


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Jan 10, 1999, 12:19pm

[View Quote] You do?
Then tell me what differences *don't* play a role here.
The summum of humor is an American telling someone else how to speak
English....

>The nice thing of standards is that there are so many to choose from.
>-- Andrew S. Tanenbaum
>
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Jan 10, 1999, 12:24pm

[View Quote] What are you actually accusing me off?
That I'm hard to convince?
I know some more of these ppl... ;-)

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Jan 10, 1999, 1:46pm

[View Quote] [View Quote] I've actually been in AW for 2 1/2 year now, but never really been so interested in the engine.. For me AW don't jerk, twitch or lag! It's normally on 8-9 kbps and that's enough for me. I don't need anymore to enjoy AW! And I got a 3 yrs old Pentium 133 with resently updated ram (now 32), and it have been a bit slow before, but it works just great now and it has been for a long time..
I hope 1999 will be a year of changes (c:


>
>
>
> Oh, so you fell in love with how AW jerks, lags, and twitches? You must be a Christian or something (a glutton for punishment). While I don't necessarily NEED a "super-charged" car, I want something that works adequately and is reliable.

Nope, it didn't jerk twitch and lag! I'm not even religious, I want the same as you, but I've already had that for a while. It wasn't always that reliable, but I think it is now.. And it is good enough to enjoy AW and do what you came to do!


>
>
> Think about that. If the engine is laggy, twitchy, and unresponsive, how are all the fluff features in the world going to make up for the basic functionality that AW lacks? It won't. The 3D engine is the most important part of any 3D application. Period.

They may do more work on the engine, I'm not saying that that's out of the question, but at least refresh the look a bit! For instance the gesture buttons.. Those are a bit old... The 3D engine IS a very important part, sure.. What would the application be without it? Just a good looking piece of shit, I know.. But I'd rather enjoy AW with 8-9 kbps and a new look on the program than wait some months till COF has improved the engine, so i must upgrade my computer and still have the old fasion look!


>
>
> Right, and the balance begins with better 3D hardware support. Do you (or have you ever) work(ed) in the computer industry? I doubt it.

Nope, I'm only 14 years old, so that wouldn't be possible.. I've only worked with some programming and webdesign.. Maybe that's why I'm so eager to get a better look?

If COF would make AW's engine so good that it required Voodo, Pentium 200+ and 64 MB RAM , most of the user would still be stucked with the old fasion look and nothing else! My computer is already soing its best, and that's ok for me, since I can't upgrade my computer (costs too much for a 14 yrs old boy)!


>
>
> "car store", "Monstertruck", and "el-car"--English is DEFINTELY not your native language. :)

As I said, I'm only 14 yrs old, and live in Norway, so you shouldn't expect more (c:

-CyberTwins

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