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Dec 20, 1998, 9:08pm

my wish is for COF to read the wishlist and act upon our wishes

Dec 21, 1998, 10:33pm

Me too, and all these basic "improvements" on the contact list have been
said again and again for so long!
When I think before they launched the telegram feature they said it
will outdo ICQ so ppl won't use it anymore!!!

[View Quote] > my wish is for COF to read the wishlist and act upon our wishes

Dec 22, 1998, 2:11am

I cannot agree more, however there must be some kind of prioritizing of
wishes. Whether or not Roland is working on all of the wishes, we should
at least compile some sort of list for him to look at that we can present to
him in one packaged submission. We can all complain and yell about what
we need more than anything, but someone else might have a difference of
opinion about what is the most important feature. With a well
organized list of wanted features, Roland might reprioritize his list as
well. If he does not read the wish list, he can at least read a civilized
and diplomatic email that says, "Hey, here is the list of most wanted
features. Take a look at them."

If he does not look at them, we cannot say that we did not try to put them
together so that he cannot clearly see what is needed. Besides, who knows
if the list will change his mind about what he thinks are most wanted
features? He may be working on the features that he thinks are most
wanted, but really are wanted by only a few who expressed their needs to him
in a well organized, well thought out, and diplomatic way, instead of
whining (as I am guilty of too) about him not ever listening to us or
reading the wish list newsgroup.

If we do nothing, we will never know whether the effort was worth it or
not. Compiling a list might not get us anywhere, but doing nothing will
definitely get us nowhere.

[View Quote] > Me too, and all these basic "improvements" on the contact list have been
> said again and again for so long!
> When I think before they launched the telegram feature they said it
> will outdo ICQ so ppl won't use it anymore!!!
>
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Dec 22, 1998, 8:32am

Let's put this all straight first. *They* created this newsgroup and said many
time they were attentive to users' wishes. We may imagine they can't include all
requests, neither can't always tell what are the priorities for users among all
these requests.
But one would expect *they* manage things so to get such priority list, and at
least show some concern by answering to what seems possible or not for them or
what they think are priorities from what they heard from the few.. This is what
happens anywhere where such a wishlist ng exists, or you don't create it.
In clear I would certainly not feel "guilty" because we don't do *their* job. I
don't feel like whining but just asking them to be honest and not pretend to do
what they don't.

As to pretend Roland knows nothing about some priorities, let's be serious.
Some requests like possible pricacy on the "green mark" in the list have been
expressed from the very beginning and not only in this newsgroup.

But maybe you are right, and we should do such a list with votes so to see if
they are really sincere. Remember they promised too to organise some votes for
major issues they would like to have users opinion. They made a trial with old
Cy avatar return. (just a way to diplomatically correct a deletion which raised
tons of protests), we are still waiting for the real vote stuff.

[View Quote] > I cannot agree more, however there must be some kind of prioritizing of
> wishes. Whether or not Roland is working on all of the wishes, we should
> at least compile some sort of list for him to look at that we can present to
> him in one packaged submission. We can all complain and yell about what
> we need more than anything, but someone else might have a difference of
> opinion about what is the most important feature. With a well
> organized list of wanted features, Roland might reprioritize his list as
> well. If he does not read the wish list, he can at least read a civilized
> and diplomatic email that says, "Hey, here is the list of most wanted
> features. Take a look at them."
>
> If he does not look at them, we cannot say that we did not try to put them
> together so that he cannot clearly see what is needed. Besides, who knows
> if the list will change his mind about what he thinks are most wanted
> features? He may be working on the features that he thinks are most
> wanted, but really are wanted by only a few who expressed their needs to him
> in a well organized, well thought out, and diplomatic way, instead of
> whining (as I am guilty of too) about him not ever listening to us or
> reading the wish list newsgroup.
>
> If we do nothing, we will never know whether the effort was worth it or
> not. Compiling a list might not get us anywhere, but doing nothing will
> definitely get us nowhere.
>
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Dec 22, 1998, 9:15am

I am making such a list, including voting on the ideas to find out which
ones should have priority. If you want to add an idea to the list, or if you
want to vote on ideas, look at the thread "AW Frequently Wished Wishes-list"
in the newsgroups Wishlist, AWCommunity or Worldbuilders.

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Dec 22, 1998, 9:40pm

LOL, most use ICQ with AW.. One good thing about mulitasking, you aren't
limited to one program/application. Guess the reason most use ICQ is that
everyone knows about it and it is free.

[View Quote] > Me too, and all these basic "improvements" on the contact list have been
> said again and again for so long!
> When I think before they launched the telegram feature they said it
> will outdo ICQ so ppl won't use it anymore!!!
>
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Dec 22, 1998, 9:51pm

I can list most of the wishes and have only been reading this newsgroup for a
few months, Roland and Co are well aware of what people want and are working on
adding some of it, from what I have heard the first things added will be file to
file transfer within AW, copies of outgoing telegrams, multi object paths for
worlds etc....

My wish is that SOMETHING would be added at reasonable intervals, I would put
custom AVs at the top of my list.

[View Quote] > I cannot agree more, however there must be some kind of prioritizing of
> wishes. Whether or not Roland is working on all of the wishes, we should
> at least compile some sort of list for him to look at that we can present to
> him in one packaged submission. We can all complain and yell about what
> we need more than anything, but someone else might have a difference of
> opinion about what is the most important feature. With a well
> organized list of wanted features, Roland might reprioritize his list as
> well. If he does not read the wish list, he can at least read a civilized
> and diplomatic email that says, "Hey, here is the list of most wanted
> features. Take a look at them."
>
> If he does not look at them, we cannot say that we did not try to put them
> together so that he cannot clearly see what is needed. Besides, who knows
> if the list will change his mind about what he thinks are most wanted
> features? He may be working on the features that he thinks are most
> wanted, but really are wanted by only a few who expressed their needs to him
> in a well organized, well thought out, and diplomatic way, instead of
> whining (as I am guilty of too) about him not ever listening to us or
> reading the wish list newsgroup.
>
> If we do nothing, we will never know whether the effort was worth it or
> not. Compiling a list might not get us anywhere, but doing nothing will
> definitely get us nowhere.
>
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Dec 23, 1998, 1:51am

I must have missed it when someone asked for file transfer. Does anybody here
ever remember asking for that? Or, do you remember someone else asking for it? I
sure didn't.

[View Quote] > I can list most of the wishes and have only been reading this newsgroup for a
> few months, Roland and Co are well aware of what people want and are working on
> adding some of it, from what I have heard the first things added will be file to
> file transfer within AW, copies of outgoing telegrams, multi object paths for
> worlds etc....
>
> My wish is that SOMETHING would be added at reasonable intervals, I would put
> custom AVs at the top of my list.
>
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Dec 23, 1998, 1:35pm

Nor I. I've never heard of ANYONE asking for that. I'm sure Rick and/or JP thought it would be "cool" though. So Roland, like the obedient paid lackey that he is (heh) has to implement it. Ah, gotta "love" corporate (or how about just stupid, idiotic, and lame) decisions, eh? Oh, wait, this is COF I'm talking about here...NEVER MIND.

[View Quote] > I must have missed it when someone asked for file transfer. Does anybody here
> ever remember asking for that? Or, do you remember someone else asking for it? I
> sure didn't.
>
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Dec 23, 1998, 5:07pm

I've heard a lot of people ask for that one, actually... Mostly it was included with "make AW into ICQ" posts, but others pictured it as in just handing an object to other people like in snow crash. All it would need is a graphical counterpart...

grover

[View Quote] > Nor I. I've never heard of ANYONE asking for that. I'm sure Rick and/or JP thought it would be "cool" though. So Roland, like the obedient paid lackey that he is (heh) has to implement it. Ah, gotta "love" corporate (or how about just stupid, idiotic, and lame) decisions, eh? Oh, wait, this is COF I'm talking about here...NEVER MIND.
>
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Dec 23, 1998, 7:42pm

I'd rather have better hardware support than all this fluff crap Roland's been adding. Why work on the car's sunroof when the engine is much more important? I just don't get COF's "mentality" sometimes...

[View Quote] > I've heard a lot of people ask for that one, actually... Mostly it was included with "make AW into ICQ" posts, but others pictured it as in just handing an object to other people like in snow crash. All it would need is a graphical counterpart...
>
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Dec 23, 1998, 8:54pm

Your "Organization" stuff very soon will exceed Fluxen's sig:)

[View Quote] > I'd rather have better hardware support than all this fluff crap Roland's been adding. Why work on the car's sunroof when the engine is much more important? I just don't get COF's "mentality" sometimes...
>
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Dec 23, 1998, 9:19pm

Sorry?

--

[ Fluxen Dean-Christian Strik ]
[ ICQ: 11760568 ISG RhinoSoft ]
[ fluxen at bigfoot.com dean2 at bigfoot.com ]

The nice thing of standards is that there are so many to choose from.
-- Andrew S. Tanenbaum

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Dec 23, 1998, 11:35pm

Um, that's not what I meant by "fluff crap". Sheesh. At least my organization field doesn't get QUOTED every freakin' time someone replies...and then requoted when people don't know how to delete it, and so on and so on...

[View Quote] > Your "Organization" stuff very soon will exceed Fluxen's sig:)
>
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Dec 24, 1998, 6:56am

Ah.... the Organisation field in the header. Can't see that unless I request
Message properties.

And, regardless of the length of my sig, it's very likely you'll see a lot
more of mine than of others (I post a lot, and usually very short msgs --
but y'all know that).

Ah... it's sig time again! ;-)

--

[ Fluxen Dean-Christian Strik ]
[ ICQ: 11760568 ISG RhinoSoft ]
[ fluxen at bigfoot.com dean2 at bigfoot.com ]

The nice thing of standards is that there are so many to choose from.
-- Andrew S. Tanenbaum


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Dec 24, 1998, 12:16pm

....mabye because they never drive the car, but only look at it?

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Dec 24, 1998, 8:02pm

Oh yea...like that's a valid excuse. There's a word for people like that: morons. And if COF is adding stupid fluff features to AW just for "looks", they're even more moronic than the morons who look at AW's "features" yet never actually "drive" it. Feh...gimme a break...

[View Quote] > ...mabye because they never drive the car, but only look at it?
>
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Dec 27, 1998, 7:20pm

I wish that Santa comes down from COF's chimney this year and leave a couple
of programmers as a gift under the tree. Maybe this way COF can reallize
the wishes... :?)

Odysseus Ghost


essage <367d8367.0 at homer>...
>my wish is for COF to read the wishlist and act upon our wishes
>
>

Dec 28, 1998, 10:39am

Yes, but programmers needs to be payed, and COF seems to have too little money
for paying a couple of programmers. )c;

How about getting some volounteers from AW (citizens) who are good programmers
to help Roland and Protagonist a bit? Or is that a bit risky for COF?

-CyberTwins

[View Quote] > I wish that Santa comes down from COF's chimney this year and leave a couple
> of programmers as a gift under the tree. Maybe this way COF can reallize
> the wishes... :?)
>
> Odysseus Ghost
>
> essage <367d8367.0 at homer>...

Jan 2, 1999, 11:53pm

A lot of people would rather have a nice shiny 4-banger Miata than a rusted out Impala, even if that Impala happened to have a supercharged 350 and could do the quarter mile in 11 seconds...

grover

[View Quote] > Oh yea...like that's a valid excuse. There's a word for people like that: morons. And if COF is adding stupid fluff features to AW just for "looks", they're even more moronic than the morons who look at AW's "features" yet never actually "drive" it. Feh...gimme a break...
>
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Jan 3, 1999, 12:26pm

Gee, I'd rather have a nice shiny supercharged 350 Impala that would kick the nice shiny 4-banger Miata to the curb. Wouldn't you? It IS possible, you know...just like a fast 3D engine with all the trimmings is possible too.

[View Quote] > A lot of people would rather have a nice shiny 4-banger Miata than a rusted out Impala, even if that Impala happened to have a supercharged 350 and could do the quarter mile in 11 seconds...
>
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