Holographic Storage (Wishlist)

Holographic Storage // Wishlist

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bryon l. snell

Oct 13, 1998, 10:20am
Evidently a consortiun of scientists at semiconductor manufacturing
conglomerants will soon "overflow" the "limits" of current magnetic storage
with (lazer) etchings (extreme ultraviolet lithography) on "sugarcubed sized
crystals" producing (1000X) greater storage capacity with (100X) faster data
retrieval . Information is accessed SIMULTANIOUSLY , not secquentially (as
with YOUR current disks! So keep on EXPANDING those Ideas! 'Guy-avitars' and
'Gal- avitars'!
-StarGuy

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Oct 13, 1998, 4:30pm
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Uh, what does this have to do with AW? And I heard about this like 5 years ago...

[View Quote] > Evidently a consortiun of scientists at semiconductor manufacturing
> conglomerants will soon "overflow" the "limits" of current magnetic storage
> with (lazer) etchings (extreme ultraviolet lithography) on "sugarcubed sized
> crystals" producing (1000X) greater storage capacity with (100X) faster data
> retrieval . Information is accessed SIMULTANIOUSLY , not secquentially (as
> with YOUR current disks! So keep on EXPANDING those Ideas! 'Guy-avitars' and
> 'Gal- avitars'!
> -StarGuy

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Uh, what does this have to do with AW? And I heard about this like 5 years
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paul

Oct 13, 1998, 9:19pm
Of course there will be long downloads because you still have to send it
over serial communication lines at speeds slower than a floppy disk. Even a
satellite link is slower than all but the oldest hard drives and that's
assuming no competing traffic.

Paul

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Oct 13, 1998, 9:22pm
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My point is it's not even IN personal computers, let alone accessible to AW, so it's futile to discuss it here and waste space. Go to comp.hardware.future or something.

[View Quote] > Think about it Eep. If the source of the downloads is using this
> technology, then the transfer rate will not be dependent upon sequential
> two way data transmission, but with one transmission for data retrieval and
> all the information necessary will come as fast as the lines will carry it.
> No more long download waits.
> Also, better performance because AW will be able to retrieve information
> all at once, rather than sequentially, from the hard drive.
>
> I may be wrong, but that is my interpretation of his somewhat cryptic
> message.
>
> Eep² <eep at tnlc.com> wrote in article <36239C32.97034E8A at tnlc.com>...
> years ago...

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My point is it's not even IN personal computers, let alone accessible to
AW, so it's futile to discuss it here and waste space. Go to comp.hardware.future
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cdm

Oct 13, 1998, 9:54pm
Think about it Eep. If the source of the downloads is using this
technology, then the transfer rate will not be dependent upon sequential
two way data transmission, but with one transmission for data retrieval and
all the information necessary will come as fast as the lines will carry it.
No more long download waits.
Also, better performance because AW will be able to retrieve information
all at once, rather than sequentially, from the hard drive.

I may be wrong, but that is my interpretation of his somewhat cryptic
message.
--
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Eep² <eep at tnlc.com> wrote in article <36239C32.97034E8A at tnlc.com>...
> Uh, what does this have to do with AW? And I heard about this like 5
years ago...
>
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cdm

Oct 14, 1998, 1:53am
Much of the things that were not even IN personal computers 10 years ago
are now common place.
It is the evolution of technology. From the buggy to the automobile, from
the broadcast transmitters to cable to sattelite TV; from huge mega
computers to palm pilots. From still photography to film to TV to WebTV.
Things change. You can't say it is irrelevent just because it is not
now.
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Eep² <eep at tnlc.com> wrote in article <3623E0C3.43B19A6C at tnlc.com>...
> My point is it's not even IN personal computers, let alone accessible to
AW, so it's futile to discuss it here and waste space. Go to
comp.hardware.future or something.
>
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cdm

Oct 14, 1998, 1:59am
But, the downloads will be faster because, somewhere in the world, high
density ethernet cables are being installed in people's homes, schools, and
businesses even as I type. Besides, I learned from a person who works
for an ISP that most of what accounts for the slowness of the transfer is
that for each packet of information that the computer recieves, it has to
send out a packet of information. If we were able to receive all of the
information while sending only one packet, the download time would be
drastically decreased.
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Paul <pbarrow at mindspring.com> wrote in article <3623dfc6.0 at homer>...
> Of course there will be long downloads because you still have to send it
> over serial communication lines at speeds slower than a floppy disk. Even
a
> satellite link is slower than all but the oldest hard drives and that's
> assuming no competing traffic.
>
> Paul
>
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scott d. miller

Oct 14, 1998, 6:05am
[View Quote] Today, I agree with Eep² and Paul.

#1, That technology is a long way away, and what will eventually trickle out of
the research labs and onto the mega-servers will be so different, that we will
not recognize this research at that time. After that, it will be another five
years or so before it gets to the desk top.

#2, Data storage density/speed has very little to do with the overall speed of
what happens on the web. Except for the super big web sites (and they have
solutions as well), even a reasonably simple storage subsystem only contributes
to a tiny fraction of the total download time.

#3, If you need to send somebody a gig of data over the net, it does not matter
what you store it in at your end, or at their end (within reason of course). A
gig of data is still a gig of data and that will not change the
packet/signaling/data stream/etc. of what is happening.

If anyone IS interested in some developments that WILL have an impact on web
speed -- especially for complex web pages with lots of little pieces (sounds
like the AW environment), check out:
http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/Performance/Pipeline.html
Not an easy read for most folks, but here is a plan that uses existing
equipment, WILL impact the AW community, and COULD be widespread before 2000.

ScottyDM

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abbot pabisoko

Oct 15, 1998, 11:50pm
english? err i mean layman terms?

paul

Oct 16, 1998, 8:21pm
Keep dreaming.

Paul

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cdm

Oct 17, 1998, 5:03am
Sure, call me a dreamer, but that is what they said when I was in high
school a little over 10 years ago about the internet (it was considered
something that only a few would ever have access to). Also what they
said about other things before they existed such as the telephone,
automobiles, televison, manned space flights to the moon, etc, etc, etc.

The more people, corporations, and the governments (federal, state and
local) see the potential for the use of computers, the more they will spend
to see that better means of data transmission is made available.

I WILL keep dreaming and you keep doubting, and let us just see what
happens.
When Colombus sailed across the sea, he was told a similar shpeel by people
who were convinced of the limitations. He was convinced of what was
possible.
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Paul <pbarrow at mindspring.com> wrote in article <3627c6cc.0 at homer>...
> Keep dreaming.
>
> Paul
>
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rolu

Oct 17, 1998, 10:24am
"There will be a world market for about five computers, I think"....

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scott d. miller

Dec 17, 1998, 6:22am
[View Quote] Except that holographic storage has zero/zip/nada effect on internet bandwidth.
No effect what so ever.

ScottyDM

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Send all other IMPORTANT CORRESPONDENCE to scottydm at codenet.net
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| % | Silicon Mercenary
\===/ Freelance Chip Designer

always #5 FOO = ~FOO; // the sound of a beating heart

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