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Jun 21, 1998, 8:25pm

Hey Roland!

Most people seem to keep "Join" disabled. Even the ones that use it seem
to toggle it off and on. I leave mine on all the time. We need a way to
tell before we attempt to Join a user on our contact list that they have
Join enabled. I realize this must require an attempt to join them is
made before the browser knows if their side is enabled or not (and it
changes all the time!). Would it be possible to go out at initialization
when the broswer is first coming up and hit each online user for a
request to Join that is just to see if it is enabled at their end? Might
have to have the responding end send just an Ack or something... because
we don't want to really go join them... just define if it is currently
possible.

If that could be done, then the only other thing required would be to
color code the check mark in the contact list... RED = Online but no
Join... GREEN = Online and free to Join. Would make Join much more
useful!

zer0

Jun 22, 1998, 2:49pm

Actually.. I would much prefer that a telegram request pop up when a person
tries to join.

I consider it downright rude for anyone to issue a join request without
contacting someone via a telegram first. I will not accept such joins and
usually respond via a telegram my thoughts on the subject. You have no idea
what the person might be doing. If they are in a meeting,etc. Ergo, I
would not be in favor of having everyone that has me on their contact list
given the ability to know on site if they could join me or not, especially
just cause they feel like joining someone. A telegram pop up would cause
the person to at least be polite and ask to join first.


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Jun 22, 1998, 6:39pm

Very good idea there :)
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Jun 22, 1998, 9:51pm

Ok... no problem... one more color code for the Check mark...

RED=Disabled
GREEN=Enabled
BLUE=Enabled but Antisocial - request required

:)

zer0



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Jun 23, 1998, 4:22am

Different people have different ideas of antisocial. Personally, I would
feel rather offended if someone joined me simply because I was the only
person on their contact list who had not set AW to keep people from joining
them. I almost always leave it set to ask my permission before a join, but
I rarely decline a request when I am alone and not "very" busy. If a
friend "just" needs someone to talk to, I would preffer they tell me so
rather than pretending that they actually wanted to talk to "me" in
particular, and they can easily do that by telegram. As for someone I
barely know "just" looking for "someone" to talk to, I don't mind the idea,
but since I'm usually helping people, I would rather let them find someone
else how also "just" want's someone to talk to. There are plenty of people
who fit that description at any given time. Yes, it would be nice to be
able to "tell" Active Worlds that you are available to talk to "anyone" when
that is the case, but that's not the same as just being willing to accept
join requests from friends or telegrams with a purpose. I have nothing
against wanting to find someone to talk to when you're lonely. I get lonely
too, and I'm not afraid to admit it, but although I do understand some
people's need to talk to "anyone" when they get lonely, that's not the way
we all work. Personally, I would rather send a message to a good friend
saying that I need someone to talk to and would appreciate them contacting
me when they have the time... or if I want to talk to someone specific, I
simply tell them so. It may seem crude, and you may consider it
antisocial, but that's all a matter of opinion.

As for enhancements to the join request, it would be nice to see a few, but
I'm sure there are many opinions about which ones are best, and which ones
would actually be "bad" to have. The best thing we can do for now is just
what we're doing here. Give our thoughts and opinions to each other, and
see what evolves.

TechnoZeus

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Jun 23, 1998, 4:46pm

Sorry zero.. but not accepting joins doesn't make one anti-social. Isn't
it a real world common courtesy (read polite) to call someone before you go
to visit them? Sending a join without calling first is rude. Man.. lots
of cyber relationships would really be ruined!!

Sooo.. <eg> Perhaps there should be something by someones name that says..
Yellow - Exceptionally Rude, joins without calling first? hee hee

Zzzzzzz


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Jun 24, 1998, 11:21am

Usually when someone tries to join me, either I keep AW running while I'm
away from my computer, or I'm building at a particular location that I don't
want anyone else to see quite yet. Maybe we could sort of copy ICQ's way of
handling this...
For example we could have:

BRB Mode (You will be back in a short while)
AFK Mode (You are away from your computer)
Building Mode (You are building and do not wish to be disturbed)
Chat Mode / Join Mode (You want to be joined by anyone and everybody ;-)

This is just a "rough" suggestion or idea. Anyone like it? ;-)

-Builderz

[View Quote] > Hey Roland!
>
> Most people seem to keep "Join" disabled. Even the ones that use it seem
> to toggle it off and on. I leave mine on all the time. We need a way to
> tell before we attempt to Join a user on our contact list that they have
> Join enabled. I realize this must require an attempt to join them is
> made before the browser knows if their side is enabled or not (and it
> changes all the time!). Would it be possible to go out at initialization
> when the broswer is first coming up and hit each online user for a
> request to Join that is just to see if it is enabled at their end? Might
> have to have the responding end send just an Ack or something... because
> we don't want to really go join them... just define if it is currently
> possible.
>
> If that could be done, then the only other thing required would be to
> color code the check mark in the contact list... RED = Online but no
> Join... GREEN = Online and free to Join. Would make Join much more
> useful!
>
> zer0

Jun 25, 1998, 7:56am

I like it. Good start.

TechnoZeus

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Jun 25, 1998, 4:24pm

Actually.. it is a great idea for not only joins, but telegrams as well. :))
If I am in a meeting or some such thing <g> like a building frenzy, I hate
to be rude and not answer telegrams. But there are times, when it is
difficult to answer right away. I am on call all the time with the GK's so
there are some I have to answer. Hmmmmm even having a way to personalize
an away message would be great. :)) Tho, lol.. I could just imagine some of
the away messages that might be written. <G>

Zzzzz

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