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Apr 24, 2004, 3:43pm

Hey Everyone,

I am currently looking for 3 or 4 BETA testers to give my Eclipse security
bot a try (some pics and info: http://zetech.swehli.com/eclipse/) in general
use. I stress that the entire purpose of this bot is security monitoring and
as such will only be eventually released to persons whom have security needs
such as world staff, peacekeepers etc as otherwise it is generally something
similar to Xelagot (although no query) without eject.

People with experience with other security bots would be good as they will
know what to expect, also the system comes with voice control and text to
speech so anyone applying will require the Speech API 5.1 available on the
microsoft website.

If you are interested and have experience and general security knowledge of
AW please email me strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk

- Mark Randall

Apr 24, 2004, 5:01pm

Dude, how the hell is that at AW Gz, thats freaky.

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Apr 24, 2004, 5:05pm

aw_bool_set(AW_SNEAKY_SOD, 1)
aw_enter("aw")

- MR

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Apr 24, 2004, 5:19pm

oh uh...

#define AW_SNEAKY_SOD 666

:)

- MR

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Apr 24, 2004, 6:09pm

[View Quote] > Dude, how the hell is that at AW Gz, thats freaky.

Invisible.

Apr 24, 2004, 6:16pm

[View Quote] > Hey Everyone,
>
> I am currently looking for 3 or 4 BETA testers to give my Eclipse security
> bot a try (some pics and info: http://zetech.swehli.com/eclipse/) in general
> use. I stress that the entire purpose of this bot is security monitoring and
> as such will only be eventually released to persons whom have security needs
> such as world staff, peacekeepers etc as otherwise it is generally something
> similar to Xelagot (although no query) without eject.
>
> People with experience with other security bots would be good as they will
> know what to expect, also the system comes with voice control and text to
> speech so anyone applying will require the Speech API 5.1 available on the
> microsoft website.
>
> If you are interested and have experience and general security knowledge of
> AW please email me strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk

Mind releasing the source to make sure you're not trying to get PPW's
from people?

You never know, it may be an eleborate trick just to see how many you
can get (you may not do anything with them). Better to be safe than
sorry, though.

Apr 24, 2004, 6:20pm

> Mind releasing the source to make sure you're not trying to get PPW's
> from people?

Yes, I do mind :)

> You never know, it may be an eleborate trick just to see how many you
> can get (you may not do anything with them). Better to be safe than
> sorry, though.

People who do not have explicit trust in me need not apply.

- MR

Apr 24, 2004, 6:25pm

I wish.... Class 3 managed to kill it twice.

- MR

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Apr 24, 2004, 6:48pm

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> People who do not have explicit trust in me need not apply.
>
> - MR
>
>

Well,,,,, your past actions did not make me feel safe :)
Sometimes it takes a looooong time to correct one's impression.
Maybe it is not a good idea to show off with bot names "Echelon" ? I bet you get the picture :)

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Andras
"It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Apr 24, 2004, 6:52pm

Erm... Echelon is a personal bot... its never been released... noone else
has ever got their hands on it... and I havent used it for the past year and
a half because it was outdated and resides on my source code disk
somewhere....?

Just because your resentful to any upcoming programmers that will
(potentially) be outcoding you at the other side of a programming masters
degree in a few years dosent mean everyone else resents them.

- MR

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Apr 24, 2004, 7:08pm

[View Quote] > Erm... Echelon is a personal bot... its never been released... noone else
> has ever got their hands on it... and I havent used it for the past year and
> a half because it was outdated and resides on my source code disk
> somewhere....?
>
> Just because your resentful to any upcoming programmers that will
> (potentially) be outcoding you at the other side of a programming masters
> degree in a few years dosent mean everyone else resents them.
>
> - MR

Mark,

You misunderstood my comments! I'm happy to see anyone who makes good bots (better or worse than mine - doesn't matter!)
OTOH trust is a different thing - that should be earned - not "created" or "demanded".
One thing I learned in the past that you try to be honest and don't "show off". Maybe it is not the current trend in programming - I'm and old fart and I can't follow those changes but still, I only trust in programs which has no "dirty" background in any form.
Sorry if I can't make my statements clear - English is not my native language.


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Andras
"It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Apr 24, 2004, 7:16pm

[View Quote] >Sorry if I can't make my statements clear - English is not my native language.

Magyar English or not, you're a good developer!

Boring Old Farts Unite!

Apr 24, 2004, 7:27pm

[View Quote] [View Quote] LOL - you made my day Alex!!!

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Andras
"It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Apr 24, 2004, 7:57pm

> One thing I learned in the past that you try to be honest and don't "show
off".

A few years ago there were so many programming opertunities going, and
everyone and everything wanted a programmer working for them. Since then
however it has been a case that the bubble has unreservedly popped and now
programming work is becoming scarcer, especially in an time when software
houses regually fail to produce software on time / at all etc and people are
moving away from having software designed.

Ive been coding for the last god knows how many years to better myself, but
now im moving on to try and make something from it (gotta pay for uni
somehow!) and I have found that (from friends experience) you have to put
yourself and the front of the queue, and if that means that you try and make
everyone and everything know that you are a good coder then that must be the
objective, otherwise the little work that is available; you get trampled on
in the line for it.

Also people with high public profiles tend to attract greater attention to a
project, regardless of the reputation of their profile and in the days of
marketing being everything having that extra exposure is a key ingredient to
any development (or that could just be my 4+ years of business studies
talking).

You previously brought up the naming of my bots, I consider the name of
great importance as something that defines the bot as what it is... Zeus
(because it generally rules everything, a ECS / WMS or whatever the hell you
wanna define it as), Echelon (because echelon was the name of a huge data
processor in a book I saw and the entire point of Echelon was to keep and
manage huge databases on everyone it came into contact with, and ZeTech also
being what I call all of my products by), and most recently Eclipse (I
designed it to be stealthy and dark, to provide as much information about
others and as little about itself as possible.), the Ill-Fated Andrasta (God
of Invisibility?, operated in global without state-change - Canty remember
so well now). I put quite a lot of thought into the names because I like to
have a good firm foundation of which to base the bot around, all of your
program names are exactly what it contains in the tin, but not what I would
imagine would look particually good on the front of a box on a store shelf.

I do notice a lot of the 'beating down' of younger coders by certain older
programmers on here, I myself try to help as many coders as possible in any
way I can, however my time is limited and I often get quite annoyed when I
recieve 20 telegrams from someone who dosent know any coding what-soever,
but wants to know how to make a bot with the kinda of DBMS's that it took me
2 years to learn properly and they dont want to spend time and patience on
it... they want to make one NOW, thats really the only time I lose my rag
because I put litterally hundreds upon hundreds of hours learning how to
program (after I first got VB I used to spend 6 hours a night for about 5
months just experimenting and reading books / websites on it, and I also had
one of the best teachers you could ever hope to have).

I try to establish myself by creating bots that will have some significance
or will leave an impression (I enter AWTeen, look around a few seconds, and
one of the first things I see is a advert for Demeter, containing terrain I
made a program to design [since when I have given brant the source code]).

I consider this a very active market, if you place yourself right, and I
also know that if you do create certain things you need to protect yourself
from people directly copying your work (ie if I released source code on
Eclipse) as that took me my entire holiday + more to create, and I am all
for joint projects but giving away code for the amount of dedication that
bot has taken for such little reason is pointless and stupid.

Im not here to go competing against any individuals... I am here to be the
best.

- Mark Randall

Apr 24, 2004, 9:09pm

[View Quote] The fact that he's bringing a bot into AWGZ makes me a little iffy on
any trust I had left. One would think it's to show-off.

Apr 24, 2004, 9:32pm

[View Quote] And one with any common sense would realise that alphaworld GZ would be the
perfect area for testing such a bot due to the high amount of users
entering/exiting and moving about, coupled with a usual high chat content
which was essential when checking the syth voice playback overnight... ('The
Lady Says Good Morning') is a scary thing to hear when you first wake up at
6am...

- MR

Apr 24, 2004, 9:34pm

> And one with any common sense would realise that alphaworld GZ would be
the
> perfect area for testing such a bot due to the high amount of users
> entering/exiting and moving about, coupled with a usual high chat content
> which was essential when checking the syth voice playback overnight...

As long as it keeps its digital mouth firmly shut and dosent actually act on
what it observes.

- MR

Apr 25, 2004, 6:21am

[View Quote] Won't be you that's uncoding him. Certainly isn't going to be me. Keep
trying grasshopper.

Apr 25, 2004, 6:22am

[View Quote] [View Quote] Outcoding.. woo.

Apr 25, 2004, 7:14am

[View Quote] > Im not here to go competing against any individuals... I am here to be the
> best.
>
> - Mark Randall
>
>

I wish you will be the best!

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Andras
"It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Apr 25, 2004, 5:13pm

Looking for about 3 or 4 more people.

Once I have decided on the list I will contact each of you with download
details for the setup file.

- MR

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May 11, 2004, 6:52pm

old people >_< only thing worse are all them females! :P

-SWE

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May 14, 2004, 10:23pm

O_O you wake up at 6!? IN THE MORNING!?

-SWE
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