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May 4, 2002, 5:18pm

I have to say a good programe went to hell!
A!!CT used Brant's paintball bot it ran fine most of the time, then on
Saturday May 4th it starts shutting down saying that "the objects for
frenzys and grenades is causing encroachment, make sure the field is in one
cit account"
My world uses a registry so there's no way there can be encroacments! Then
upon trying to restart the bot a forced upgrade is imposed, which wiped out
the original folder and the upgrade encounterd errors casuing the total loss
of the program from my HD.
The upgrade is 100% nothing but crashes, it totally stinks, it can't even
install its self before it encounters fatal errors!
Brant's paintball bot is removed from A!!CT and I will no longer risk my OS
over this buggy error infested program!
Some people just can't leave well enough alone

May 4, 2002, 6:29pm

You obviously downloaded the beta version of the bot. As you can see at
shoemakervillage.org/programs.html and in the message that appears in the
upgrade notification, the latest version 3.0 is a beta version and may
contain errors - thus, in other words, download at your own risk if you like
to search out bugs. If you're dissatisfied with the current version, you
can retrograde to version 2.24, which is still available - just press "skip"
to reject the upgrade.

Next time, please read the webpages clearly or E-mail me with your question
before making a hasty decision to post messages like these.

-Brant

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May 4, 2002, 7:54pm

Sorry but the upgrade from 2.24 to 2.25 was not my decision, it did it
automatically even though I did not authorize an upgrade. Needless to say I
had to re-install the entire 2.24 program losing the score files as the
upgrade deleted them. the upgrade for one should only ask once if an upgrade
is wanted. I am not sure why it it upgraded it self automatically and
deleted all traces of 2.24 including the score files, but it did, all I did
was start the paintball.exe up and it did the rest.
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May 4, 2002, 8:35pm

"My world uses a registry so there's no way there can be encroacments!"

Lol...
if there IS a registry it means there is enroahcment when someone builds on
another perosn area....no registry means theres no way to detect enroahcment
so peopel can build anywhere even over or under anothers.

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May 4, 2002, 8:45pm

I hate registries. Only in huge massive worlds are they needed. Otherwise
they are just a massive pain to build with.

May 4, 2002, 9:02pm

mrbruce's worlds are huge.


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May 4, 2002, 9:18pm

well if hes going to use them he should at least know what they do

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May 4, 2002, 10:54pm

There is no code anywhere in the paintball bot that deletes score files, so
I don't know how your files would have disappeared. I also don't know how
the program would have upgraded unless you specifically pressed the
"upgrade" button - that same code is used in every program I've published
and nobody has complained of anything of the sort in some 50,000 program
runs in over two years, and I did investigate a lot of complaints about the
upgrade process.

But anyway, the more important question is don't you have any backups? The
first rule of computers is that you make backups of EVERYTHING - I myself
have three copies of my magazines, novel, and source code even though they
take up five CD's.

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May 5, 2002, 9:22am

Look, before you continue posting, learn how to post correctly! this is NOT
related to the sdk and community groups, only the bots group. And this is an
issue you should contact Brant himself about, we don't really care about
your rants about bots. And obviously you aren't very familiar with how AW
works it seems, neither about some general things about bots and software in
general (don't expect a beta to work like a release). Please don't crosspost
if it isn't REALLY necessary, and if you REALLY want to post a rant, do so
in general.discussion.

KAH

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May 5, 2002, 2:49pm

Could there not be a situation of enroachment somewhere though if you had
started building before a registry was implemented and then later the
registry was added and the objects that were enroaching were never deleted
or corrected and still would continue to enorach? I haven't played with
registries in a long time either, but wondering if this might be a situation
MrBruce might have ran into? Just curious....it's food for thought anyways!
:)

AW

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May 5, 2002, 2:59pm

Yup, that'd be the reason there'd be any encroachment with a registry right
there.

--Bowen--

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http://www.smartpenguin.com/affiliate.php?id=12

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May 5, 2002, 4:21pm

*Thwack* its a beta! If you could do beta then do so, brants a very
experienced programmer respected by 1 hell of allot of people...

- Mark

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May 5, 2002, 5:04pm

Ok appears to be alot of misunderstanding here, first A!!CT has had a
registry since September 2001, the field was built in March 2002, buy saying
my world has a registry is to say how can there be encroachment warnings
made by the bot, no one can build on my field as it is built in a cit
account, so how out of the blue could a frenzy power-up or grenade object be
resting on another person's registered object?
I am not sure why the up-grade deleted all the original files, but after the
up-grade crashed during its install and after it wiped out the original
files. I tried clicking on the paintball.exe icon and windows popped up an
error saying searching for Paintball.exe. it directed me to windows media
player shortcut. I did a file search for all the cabs or any part of
paintball, all that was left was an empty folder in C://Programfiles. As for
a backup I had not had time to back up the lastest game file as the bot
unexpectedly crashed, which is rare with my system, upon restart the
paintball.exe started with splash-screen and started installing an update
saying it was removing certian files, then poof it crashed my whole PC, I
had to hit reset to pull out of it.
As for why I cross-posted in Community, is because a crash like this, can
wipe out many none saved files on a PC, if they are not backed-up before the
crash. Your PC does not have a chance to save them to the Hard drive, I just
wanted others to be aware of this. Anyways I have found the original zip
file and reinstalled the bot, so far no errors to date, but it is 2.24
version I am running and since no one has played the game since its
re-install 24 hours ago I have no clue if works right. But this install says
nothing about encroachment as of yet, and nothing has been changed in the
playing field even the origional frenzy and grenade objects are still there
and work. So the big question is why did the bot keep shutting down saying
"Encroachment warning, tying to create frenzy powerups or grenades, this is
caused by another citizen's object being on the playing field" As I said
before with a registry there's no way another persons object can be in the
field, it's covered with my cit name. By the way 27 attemps were tried and
even a bot was used to detect if there was an object by another cit on the
field, it turned up none, but my cit number, but the bot kept shutting down
saying the same thing, this is the version 2.24 I have been using since
March, it was fine 80% of the time until
this up-grade was available.
Sorry to make so many people up-set over this issue, was just trying to
protect others from possible disaster.
MrBruce.

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May 5, 2002, 7:50pm

are you sure the bot is even running on the same citnumber as the
feild....maybe you made the feidl bigger then you actually made it...theres
tons of reasons that couldve happened and the community knows its a beta so
thats warning enough.

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May 5, 2002, 8:40pm

The most likely turn of events ...

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May 6, 2002, 1:07am

Sorry I was not using the Beta version, but the beta version is what was
trying to install its self over the original. Anyways the 2.24 none beta
version has been running 24+ hours now and I am happy to say no problems.
But keep in mind 2.24 is what I have been running all the long. I do not use
Beta programs on my Main Pc, I use a junky 233Mhz PC to test Beta on LOL.
OK Brant sorry to upset you with this post. Perhaps you can add a button
that says (please don't ask me again) concerning the upgrade to beta
version, when the splash screen appears, like windows programs ask. That
would be helpful.
MrBruce.
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May 6, 2002, 11:02am

I welcome all comments and suggestions for improvement :)

But isn't there already a function to do that? When you start version 2.24
now, it should display a message saying that there is an upgrade available.
The bottom part of the form displays what's new in the upgrade, or in other
words simply downloads and displays

http://www.shoemakervillage.org/pbwhatsnew.txt

when an upgrade is available. As you can see in that file, it says that the
upgrade is a beta version. Since the upgrade isn't mandatory, you should be
able to simply press "skip" and continue using the program as normal if you
so choose. Isn't the "skip" button what you were referring to, in a way?

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May 6, 2002, 2:20pm

ok I'll just wait till PB update is made. Also brant did you get my emails?

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