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Dec 2, 2001, 3:30pm

I DId not know PHP works with AW SDK :)

Dec 2, 2001, 3:35pm

i'd appreciate it if you'd stop posting muliple times about unimportant
things

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Dec 2, 2001, 3:38pm

Woah, slow down there kid. Just because theres a PHP port of the aw sdk,
doesn't mean you can go off and make full bots in it. I highly recommend
that you use Visual C++, or Visual Basic for that matter. I know you can
get VB for free off of Microsoft's website, its under something like
Microsoft Visual Basic Control Creation Edition 5.0. If you want to make
bad bots, that crash very often and are hard to set up on other machines, go
ahead and use php, I suggest that you set the max running time of a script
to a few years.


-Joe
*gosh*

You also don't need to make 100 threads, this isn't your playground. Reply
to your old ones. Also, the useless nonsense goes in general.discussion.

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Dec 2, 2001, 3:40pm

Yeah we already have about 4 posts on SDK languages.. general rule about
NewsGroups.. it's not a chat, so creating a thread for miniscule stuff
doesn't make people happy ;)

--Bowen--

Dec 2, 2001, 4:26pm

Now show some respect to the (many) people that took time to answer your question, and READ their answers.
And if you have anything to say about one of the aforementioned answers, click on your Outlook Express's Reply To Group button, as
opposed to New Message.

Remember to only post if you think that the particular message you want ot send or the answers you expect to receive from it might
be helpful to the community. Posting that you did not know something does little in that regard. If it is related to any of the
messages posted in the last few days, select the corresponding thread and click on Reply To Group. If there is no related thread
from the last few days, select New Message. Try not to reply to topics more than 1 or 2 months old.

I don't want to offend you, everyone makes mistakes at the beginning. Just try to learn from them. :)

Fox Mc Cloud

"goten362" <goten362 at hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c0a6532 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I DId not know PHP works with AW SDK :)

Dec 2, 2001, 7:08pm

Not to mention that all of his questions should have been posted to the SDK group... *sigh*

-Agent1

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Dec 3, 2001, 3:06pm

if you're gonna do C++, do yourself a favor and DON'T use VC++...

KAH

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Dec 3, 2001, 3:22pm

Never had any problems with VC++ myself. Excellent development platform.

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Dec 3, 2001, 11:37pm

Yes, I use MSVC++ and the only problem I has was not knowing all the
features it has :) But otherwise C++ is very good and I support VC++

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Dec 3, 2001, 11:44pm

It's good for making windows only programs.. probably shouldn't stick to it
if you want to be an "accepted" programmer.

--Bowen--

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Dec 4, 2001, 12:36am

Whats wrong with C or C++? What language should I learn to be an "accepted
programmer"? Visual Basic???

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Dec 4, 2001, 12:44am

Not what I said.. I said VC++. C++ is the best language you can get into ;)
LoL Read carefully. Visual Basic is the wrong end to start..

--Bowen--

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Dec 4, 2001, 3:17am

Look liked you said shouldent use it or something

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Dec 4, 2001, 1:24pm

"Accepted"?? So now you're saying that Windows is a legacy platform?

Ummm ..... Don't think so.

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Dec 4, 2001, 3:18pm

Not yet, but XP is coming to fix that :)

Fox Mc Cloud

"grimble" <grimble2000 at btinternet.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c0ceac4$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> "Accepted"?? So now you're saying that Windows is a legacy platform?

Dec 4, 2001, 4:32pm

LoL Yes, WindowsXP shows just how bad windows really is. They just want to
spy on you.. that's what all this new crud they put in is for. MSVC++ is
not a good compiler.. use borland, watcom, dev-C++, or anything that Isn't
made by Microsoft, there's always other options.. and 9/10 they're less
expensive then any Microsoft product will ever be :).

--Bowen--

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Dec 4, 2001, 7:59pm

That's funny. :o)

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Dec 4, 2001, 8:02pm

OK ... so you believe that VC++ is "not a good compiler", but why do you say
that? Like I said, I find it an excellent development platform - perhaps you
could enlighten me as to what is so bad about it that you feel the need to
slag it off.

Grims

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Dec 4, 2001, 8:09pm

Because anything developed in it is tagged by microsoft. Microsoft does a
lot you don't know about. There's been a couple of things I've seen that've
crashed and said "Thank you for using Microsoft Visual C++". Now I don't
think the creator of that would've liked microsoft to advertise a product
inside their own, do you? (not putting something in the compiled exe, but
more along the lines of an actual window that pops up before it crashed and
only when it crashed, no other time) It's not legal, so much as microsoft
has ever done that's legal.. just finding the loop-holes so they don't look
bad. I would recommend you look at a site but it's domain name isn't PG so
I can't post it here. I can give you one that points to it that's not R in
language, but it's still on the site.. it has some pretty informative stuff
about microsoft. I hope that was good enough? I'm tired of pointing out
Microsoft's blunders and faults and all the other crud that they've done
wrong.

--Bowen--
Protest XP, the new age rental operating system.

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Dec 4, 2001, 8:17pm

[View Quote] uhh... I've never seen *any* evidence that Microsoft includes anything in their EXEs other than your code. I'm sure more people would be saying this if it were true. The only time VC++ will add a window to your code is if you ask it, or if it is the Introductory edition. If it's the Introductory one, it's part of the EULA that you can't distribute the EXEs you create.

> It's not legal, so much as microsoft has ever done that's legal.. just finding the loop-holes so they don't look bad.

Even if it was true, how is it illegal? If you dislike Microsoft so much, why the "X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400"?


> I would recommend you look at a site but it's domain name isn't PG so I can't post it here. I can give you one that points to it that's not R in language, but it's still > on the site.. it has some pretty informative stuff about microsoft.

Please email me the URL of this site... I won't be offended :)

> I hope that was good enough?

Well, not yet since you really didn't give us any evidence.


> I'm tired of pointing out Microsoft's blunders and faults and all the other crud that they've done wrong.

Then don't. If you have a problem with Microsoft, stop using their products. I don't care what anyone says, no one forced you to buy any Microsoft operating system or other software.


-Agent1

Dec 4, 2001, 8:45pm

I'm using this product because I'm hosting worlds and if I hosted it in Unix
as of this moment I'd HAVE to have access to a windows administration so I
thought I'd save myself some trouble.. oh yeah, they do add windows.. The
game Pax Imperia 2 has that "Thank you for using Microsoft Visual C++" after
it crashes. I have linux installed. This is faster for me anyways. Oh by
the way, XP is forcing users to do things in order to use it.. ie
registering to use it.. you only get 12 free "major" system changes before
you need to pay to use it again. I'm not going to get into another long
debate when I already have on this particular topic. I'm sure it's still on
the newsgroup someplace if you look for it. *community or general
discussion* I'm e-mailing you the site now.

--Bowen--
Protest XP, the new age rental operating system.

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Dec 4, 2001, 10:03pm

I haven't had any problems with Microsoft VC++. And I support the products.
Yeah, I want see some evidence that there programs are illegal, or
something. The windows C/C++ compiler for MSVC++ is made by Microsoft (The
same people that made the Win 9x/ NT/ ME and XP) So they know how the stuff
works. There's a lot of documentation, and help on the platform and
development and using the software such as VC++ and FoxPro and J++ ect...

There software is expecive but if you have a studient ID, and some people
that are teachers you can get student/teacher editions wich is basicly
cheiper....


Also the debug editions of the compiled exe is way diffrent from the
release.... If you want me to explain the diffrences e-mail me :) So if you
look at the Debug compaierd to the Release
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Dec 4, 2001, 10:15pm

Student ID's are applicable to anything.. you don't even need a teacher
edition. I can get the professional edition of Borland which is $400 for
$99. Compare that with a microsoft product. A good majority of the
compilers I've seen offer debuggers, so that's nothing major. I didn't say
there was any problems.. things that microsoft has done is just not
acceptable anymore. For example, the use of a "registering" policy to user
their products for at most 12 extreme system changes (which includes formats
/ partitioning / etc al.). Help is not an issue either.. all compilers
offer help files, even more then Microsoft does (ie you don't need to look
around a webpage for your answer). And if you don't know microsoft made
*MS*VC++ and Windows.. there's some problems ;). I also never said their
programs are illegal.. I said some of their practices are. Have you ever
been required to send in cards to use your refrigerator after 12 weeks?
Same deal with XP and "XP" addons such as Office XP. And yes, before
another flame war is started, you do need to register to use any "XP"
products and the license agreement states, in a nut shell, that you may only
user their software through 12 extreeme system changes.. or at the
discression of a microsoft employee if they believe the software is a warez
version. So if they think you're using an illegal copy.. they don't have to
agree to let you use it anymore and cancel it on you :). Sorry I responded
in reverse.. I'm exhausted.

--Bowen--

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Dec 5, 2001, 1:22pm

Unless you're an expert on the development methods and QC practices of
Heliotrope Studios and THQ, I think this claim that the compiler added the
message you are describing is highly unlikely. For a start, why would
Microsoft want to advertise their compiler just as the program crashes? To
me it sounds more like a developer with the same anti-Microsoft views as
yourself (and what he considers a sense of humour).

Even if this message issue you have were true (which I don't believe for a
second - and plenty of my VC++ programs have crashed on me at the beginning
of a project), if you could expalin how VC++ is, in your view, a crap
compiler, rather than why you think Microsoft is (a) the wrong platform for
your needs and (b) inherently evil, it would be appreciated.

Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet.

Grims

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Dec 5, 2001, 1:59pm

I don't need to prove my views, there's plenty of "crap" on the internet is
true, and if you don't believe me go to www.windows-sucks.com . If you
don't want to believe anything I say, that's your problem not mine. Be
aware that the site does contain a bad word in the title. Maybe if you'd
actually read other articles rather than the "pro-MS" ones, since they ARE
payed off by microsoft employees, you'd be aware of the inherent evil that
Microsoft is. Do you think they're going to tell you they're putting code
in? no that's microsoft. They're a monopoly they don't need to follow
rules. And before you say they do, they don't. That's why they've jumped
into the console development. They've already told a lie ahead of time "our
console outsold any previous console to date, but we won't release the exact
number of sales." I'm done arguing a point that's so blantently obvious.
Windows is the wrong platform.. if you want to do just internet
applications, Unix solves that just fine.. desktop version? there's linux.
Graphics development? Macintosh.. the good majority of games are being
ported to Macintosh OS X which means that they are compatible on some level
with linux. There's all 3 of known system types, Internet applications,
Gaming applications, and Graphic applications. Obvious enough yet?

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Dec 5, 2001, 2:17pm

I don't have anything against the MS-VC++ compiler, it is good, although I prefer the Borland C++ Builder IDE , but that's a matter
of personal taste :)
But I'd still like to point out that the Borland compiler has more features, compiles quite a lot faster, and programs run a tiny
bit faster too (nothing relevant though), so since it is also CHEAPER, I can't see a reason not to use it.

And I'm scared at how little Americans seem to defend themselves against threats like Microsoft :) It looks like they see no problem
with that company, and even those that do still buy their products... If we go on acting like nothing was happening, in years the
Direct3D API will still be there, Windows will still be popular, and nothing will have changed from the current situation.....

Fox Mc Cloud

"grimble" <grimble2000 at btinternet.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c0e3bc4 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Unless you're an expert on the development methods and QC practices of
> Heliotrope Studios and THQ, I think this claim that the compiler added the
> message you are describing is highly unlikely. For a start, why would
> Microsoft want to advertise their compiler just as the program crashes? To
> me it sounds more like a developer with the same anti-Microsoft views as
> yourself (and what he considers a sense of humour).
>
> Even if this message issue you have were true (which I don't believe for a
> second - and plenty of my VC++ programs have crashed on me at the beginning
> of a project), if you could expalin how VC++ is, in your view, a crap
> compiler, rather than why you think Microsoft is (a) the wrong platform for
> your needs and (b) inherently evil, it would be appreciated.
>
> Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet.
>
> Grims

Dec 5, 2001, 2:23pm

LoL glad someone isn't blind to the facts.. and before you say that windows
is awesome.. perhaps you should use something like Linux, or a macintosh..
I've made that decision based on fact from my experiences with both Linux
and Windows. Windows seems to give errors and crashes a lot, bsod, etc
etc.. while linux will only do it on a VERY rare circumstance. If you're
looking for stabability.. linux and other unix clones is the way to go.. say
you want to be a game or graphics person.. macintosh leads that department
even unix is better then windows (WINE will run the majority of windows
games all others should be mac compatible).. Windows isn't anything to be
hurrahed about anymore.

--Bowen--
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Dec 5, 2001, 4:51pm

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[View Quote] Duh, of course the views are going to be negitive, and most of the time
wrong, its an anti-microsoft site. Any anti-anything sites are going to
have a negitive view of the world. They will be jaded to the product that
they are, uhm, against. They will post false things most of the time to
make that product look bad. Omg, they said that they taliban uses microsoft
products. Do you think that microsoft and the taliban are in together to
destroy the world??? I think not, mirosoft dosent care who uses his
products. If you were a knife maker, and someone used your knives to kill a
man, is part of the blame put on you?

> If you don't want to believe anything I say, that's your problem not mine.

That it is.

> Be aware that the site does contain a bad word in the title. Maybe if
you'd
> actually read other articles rather than the "pro-MS" ones, since they ARE
> payed off by microsoft employees, you'd be aware of the inherent evil that
> Microsoft is.

Wrong, only little kids say that "Oooo, microsoft is the big bad giant
coming down the beanstalk to wreak havok on my machine." Oh, and heres an
unpaid ad for microsoft: "I like windows more than linux. It has more
programs, more games, etc."

Why do you even have windows installed if you are on a hate canpain against
it, why are you even using outlook? Run this hate campain in another news
group, running only linux and a non microsoft news reader.

> Do you think they're going to tell you they're putting code
> in? no that's microsoft. They're a monopoly they don't need to follow
> rules.

Uhm, yes they do.

> And before you say they do, they don't.

They still do...

> That's why they've jumped into the console development.

No, they jumped in the console bandwagon because they can make even more
$$$. $$$ is good.

> They've already told a lie ahead of time "our
> console outsold any previous console to date, but we won't release the
exact
> number of sales." I'm done arguing a point that's so blantently obvious.

Give me numbers, and I will belive. I may be with you on this one, and
*only* this one.

> Windows is the wrong platform.. if you want to do just internet
> applications, Unix solves that just fine.. desktop version? there's linux.

So, I cant run UNIX on my desktop machine? Are you going to stop me?

> Graphics development? Macintosh.. the good majority of games are being
> ported to Macintosh OS X which means that they are compatible on some
level
> with linux.

Wrong! They are compatable with Darwin, darwin is not linux at all. It is
a messed up FreeBSD kernel. FreeBSD = linux? No!

> There's all 3 of known system types, Internet applications,
> Gaming applications, and Graphic applications. Obvious enough yet?

No.

>
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Dec 5, 2001, 7:11pm

Hmmm ... isn't that pretty much the same answer you put last time? Basically
that Microsoft is evil and not to be trusted. I don't care what you're views
on Microsoft are - to me they are based mainly on hear-say and personal
opinion. Just because other OS platforms are better for certain things
(maybe all - doesn't matter), it doesn't make Windows crap! Maybe you can
answer the (rather simple, I thought) question as to what is crap about
VC++ - its a solid development platform - again, maybe others are better and
more usable, who cares? - and its focussed on Windows development - THE ONLY
AW SDK development platform currently available.

Man, its not a difficult - perhaps I need to rephrase it for you. Tell me a
reason why VC++ is not a suitable development tool for developing Windows
software without using the words/phrases "Microsoft", "evil", "can't be
trusted", or "conspiracy". If you have anything to say on what IS crap about
VC++ as a C++ compiler for Windows (and ONLY VC++ - not one of the many
incarnations of Windows or new markets that Microsoft have broken into),
then its worth listening to ... otherwise its just a rant.

If you can do this then maybe I'll see a reason not to use VC++ in the
future ... but until then I have no problems using it. I am familiar with
it, I've been using for a long time (and their C compilers/IDEs before
that), there is a significant amount of documentation for it and I trust it
to do the job I ask of it. So if you would kindly support your argument with
some rational views, it would be appreciated.

Grims


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Dec 5, 2001, 10:47pm

You obviously haven't used anything besides windows, I told you this site is
based soley on fact.. the person there is a computer science expert. He's
been around longer then you have, and has been around computers then you
have. I'm using Windows now because I can't run the server in linux without
having a windows admin tool.. which I can't get access to a windows computer
otherwise. Have you even read the site, or tried to look at the info? no
didn't think so, it's all based on fact. And no Microsoft doesn't have to
follow the rules, they've broken so many anti-trust laws it's not even
funny.. OEM payoffs, charging companys for every computer they make.. etc
al. Microsoft does pay off companies to write good reviews for them.. See
the new XP commercial? No where on it does it say "Windows XP will not allow
you to fly" so they're making people belive XP allows them to fly ;).
Perhaps you should read and try linux, macs, BSD before you say microsoft is
the best. Any program in windows has a counterpart in *nix or macs, most
games are compatible in Macintosh.. and all the games that aren't are WINE
compatible. Even try to do that yet? nope, good job. As xelnaga said after
I asked why don't people realize what bad things microsoft does "Do babies
realize how bad formula milk is for them?" Good stuff Xel. I'm done with
this now.. don't reply.. but even that's futile since there's a 99% chance
you won't listen. Sorry I had to rant yet again.

--Bowen--
Protest XP, the new age rental operating system.

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