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Apr 23, 2001, 12:08pm

Since this is the Bots newsgroup, and I posted a suggestion that perhaps one
could create a bot to do this (in private worlds...), it belongs here... The
fact that marcus is to dense to understand that you get what you pay for... IE:
You buy a world, you buy the rights to change anything you want. You buy a
citizenship, you buy the ability to have citizen rights.

[View Quote] > I think both M a r c u s and Holastic have made interesting suggestions.
> PErhaps more suited to the wishlist forum. But neverless lets not flame them
> for making suggestions. Even if it is apparent that they don't understand
> parts of how the software works...
>
> -Gamer

Gamer, I understand how the software works... As a world owner especially. But
one has to wonder if marcus is even aware that this thread has nothing to do
with the cost of world ownership. Oh well....

Holistic1

Apr 23, 2001, 12:18pm

[View Quote] There will not be any confirmation from Roland, I am in full authorisation
to provide responses to this question.

That said, I will not say that the feature will *never* be utilised - you
never know what features we will incorporate into the browser, but, I can
tell you, that this one is *not* ever going to be anywhere high on the
priority list, and it might not even ever be considered because it is not a
feature that is in line with our software philosophy. Being able to change
the backdrop of someone elses world is not something that we would likely
support - and, AW is a world for everyone. If people changed the backdrop of
a huge, sprawling public world all the time, it would be absolute chaos and
it would dis-please the tens of thousands of users who have built their
property over the past five years to suit the environment that Alphaworld
and the other public building worlds offer. Remember, that the world has
been built by those tens of thousands of people, and their properties have
been modelled around the way that Alphaworld looks, and it would be
extremely unfair to let citizens change that environments for their own
purposes. We occasionally change the backdrop, just to spice things up, and
you should see how much havoc that causes! By giving control of that to the
end user, it would be absolute bedlam, and if you dont think so, then you
have not been in AW long enough to know that even little changes in public
building worlds make huge waves =)

I am sorry you are dissatisfied with the world pricing, we aim to provide
the best service we can, and believe that we offer a product worth the
amount that is charged for it, our pricing structures are always being
reviewed as we progress, so perhaps one day there will be a better solution
suited to your needs. If you have any further requests for features, please
post your ideas in the wishlist newsgroup, as that is what it is there for,
and no further correspondance on this issue will be addressed here in the
bots newsgroup.

Fletcher Andersen aka Facter
AW Support.

Apr 23, 2001, 12:18pm

"Since this is the Bots newsgroup, and I posted a suggestion that perhaps
one
could create a bot to do this (in private worlds...), it belongs here..."

I agree 100% that you posted in the right area.

"The fact that marcus is to dense to understand that you get what you pay
for... IE:
You buy a world, you buy the rights to change anything you want."

I see you used the word "rights", this indicates you are indicating more
than 1 right is offered when buying a world, which can further be speculated
is unique to just world owners. I am trying to find out why we can't pay
for individual rights at a reduced fee, still getting what we pay for and
not getting rights we don't need.

"You buy a citizenship, you buy the ability to have citizen rights."

And one of the citizen rights should be the right to change the background
even if you are not a world's owner.

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Apr 23, 2001, 12:30pm

"Being able to change the backdrop of someone elses world is not something
that we would likely support - and, AW is a world for everyone."

You apparently do not understand what I am asking. Let me clarify. I do not
want to change someone else's world. This has nothing to do with another
person's world. I am discussing AW and AW teen in which we can build for
free there or as a citizen.

With that said, if we could change the background for our area, it would not
effect everyone else like you have stated you have done at times to "spice"
things up. It was chaos, because you guys did it wrong. You made the
change effect everyone. That is not what I am proposing. I am asking to
have it limited to the area in which the person's build is. It can be set
up as a download so that if people do not want someone's background they
simply do not click the button to download that background. They can then
continue using whatever background they currently have.

"I am sorry you are dissatisfied with the world pricing, we aim to provide
the best service we can, and believe that we offer a product worth the
amount that is charged for it, our pricing structures are always being
reviewed as we progress, so perhaps one day there will be a better solution
suited to your needs"

I never said I was dissatisfied with the pricing of a world. I said the
world offers things I do not need, therefore I am requesting a fee relative
to the feature concerning the change of background which can only be
attained through purchasing a world now.

By telling me this is not at the top of the list for Active Worlds to
consider is telling me flat out you don't give a damn towards the citizen.
I sure hope other citizens do not read what you just posted because I
honestly don't think you meant it, nor do I think Active Worlds wants to
ignore the suggestions a citizen may give to improve their system.


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Apr 23, 2001, 1:19pm

[View Quote] > By telling me this is not at the top of the list for Active Worlds to
> consider is telling me flat out you don't give a damn towards the citizen.
> I sure hope other citizens do not read what you just posted because I
> honestly don't think you meant it, nor do I think Active Worlds wants to
> ignore the suggestions a citizen may give to improve their system.
>

No - AWCI does give a damn (or two) towards citizes (sometimes). What they don't do (and I fully support them in this process) is to obey a monomaniac.
Tough luck, drive through !
Andras
(Eep? Where are you?)

Apr 23, 2001, 1:40pm

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> And one of the citizen rights should be the right to change the background
> even if you are not a world's owner.

Disagree, if you want to build in a public world, then design it to fit in
with the ambiance of the existing environment, rather than spend fruitless
hours campaigning for something that is trivial to start with, and is
developed purely into a personal rant.

If you want to change the backdrop in my world, you get banned.

Of course, if your not able to build in an existing environment, then go get
your own world and take the easy way out.

Many people have spent many hours building worlds, matching objects and
generally trying to make places welcoming for people to build in, but theres
always some idiot that won't abide by the rules and complains.

Sometimes I wonder why people waste their time when all they get is
complaint after complaint, but luckily some do still open their worlds for
public building.

If you come to my public building world, you are welcome to build within the
environment, which includes the backdrop, however, if you complain about the
backdrop, or try to change it you will face a permanent ban from the world.

Thats a right I get for buying a world, not just partial rights, full rights
which allow me to deal with idiots like you.

Goodbye,

Moria

Apr 23, 2001, 2:04pm

"If you want to change the backdrop in my world, you get banned."

*****I apologize if you don't think I am responding fully to your post. I
feel a response to the section I just quoted will sufficiently touch on the
rest of your post*****

We are talking about 2 different things. If you have a world, I would not
attempt any change of background there. My position addresses worlds like
AW and AW teen which are considered public. The ability to change
backgrounds there, NOT in citizen owned worlds, could allow and should allow
citizens to download a background they want their visitors to see.

So far the only ones who seem to disagree with me are those who have already
paid for a world. Those that I have chatted with who don't own a world would
be more than willing to pay a reasonable fee for just the feature to
download backgrounds for their area and have them set up for their visitors
to download also, functioning like sounds do now. They just don't need a
world.

I wonder if this is because you guys actually see my suggestion as a good
idea and wish you could have had that option before purchasing a world.


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Apr 23, 2001, 3:00pm

[View Quote] > We are talking about 2 different things. If you have a world, I would not
> attempt any change of background there. My position addresses worlds like
> AW and AW teen which are considered public. The ability to change
> backgrounds there, NOT in citizen owned worlds, could allow and should allow
> citizens to download a background they want their visitors to see.

You really don't get it do you marcus. AW and AWteen are public BUILDING
worlds. That means that they are private world (owned by Acom) open to public
building. If you want visitors to see a particular invironment, then enclose it
and put up any pic backdrop you want. But just like you have stated that you
would not expect private world owners to allow you to change their world, don't
expect the owners of AW and AWteen to allow you to.

>
> So far the only ones who seem to disagree with me are those who have already
> paid for a world. Those that I have chatted with who don't own a world would
> be more than willing to pay a reasonable fee for just the feature to
> download backgrounds for their area and have them set up for their visitors
> to download also, functioning like sounds do now. They just don't need a
> world.

So far, I haven't seen anyone agree with you owner or not...

>
> I wonder if this is because you guys actually see my suggestion as a good
> idea and wish you could have had that option before purchasing a world.

Not worth commenting on...

Now go home before we sic Eep on ya.

Holistic1

>
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Apr 23, 2001, 3:27pm

"You really don't get it do you marcus. AW and AWteen are public BUILDING
worlds. That means that they are private world (owned by Acom) open to
public building."

No, I don't get it. How can a world be private and public at the same time?
That would negate what each term is defined by.

(taken from http://www.m-w.com)

PRIVATE - 1 a : intended for or restricted to the use of a particular
person, group, or class <a private park>

That sure sounds a lot like what AW and AWteen is functioning as currently.

PUBLIC - 6 a : accessible to or shared by all members of the community

I don't feel being told there can only be one background is giving me access
to several, nor is it allowing me to share my background/backgrounds.

Despite those definitions which I did not make up, I think it would be wiser
to conclude AW and AWteen are not private nor are they public exclusively,
but rather consist of a mix of public and private features. The issue of
the background being changed is a public issue, however right now Active
Worlds is deciding to deal with it in a private manner whereby the owners
decide what the background will be always, and not allowing the public
consisting of the citizens to take part in this decision.

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Apr 23, 2001, 3:55pm

Check my comments in wishlist.
I hope it helps,
Andras

<snip>

Apr 23, 2001, 6:14pm

Yes you can build objects in Notepad, duh! :)
Actually, I like making objects in Notepad better than with some program
like Modeler or Truespace, that's just my opinion though . . .


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Apr 23, 2001, 6:28pm

Building objects and building WITH objects in AW are 2 different things.

Learn to read the context of what people are trying to say guys, not just
the 1:1 correspondence of what you want it to mean.



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Apr 23, 2001, 7:38pm

> By telling me this is not at the top of the list for Active Worlds to
> consider is telling me flat out you don't give a damn towards the citizen.
> I sure hope other citizens do not read what you just posted because I
> honestly don't think you meant it, nor do I think Active Worlds wants to
> ignore the suggestions a citizen may give to improve their system.

*shakes his head*

If you wish to put words in my mouth, please do so elsewhere other than a
public forum, it does not really reflect well upon you, when all here know
that I do nothing *but* care about this community.

Take care
Facter.

Apr 23, 2001, 8:25pm

"...I can tell you, that this one is *not* ever going to be anywhere high on
the
priority list"

Not putting words into your mouth, quoting here straight from the horse's
mouth.

If you want to retract that statement, feel free to at anytime and I will
assume it was not typed out with 100% of your undividend attention where you
could actually realized what was typed. We all say things at times we
didn't really mean. I am just asking you, is something a citizen wants at
the top or bottom of your list? Just please answer that one in your head and
let your consciousness take you to the answer.

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Apr 23, 2001, 9:27pm

I reply with your own post.

------quote------
Learn to read the context of what people are trying to say guys, not just
the 1:1 correspondence of what you want it to mean.
------end quote------

You cant even follow your own arguments newbie troll.

Moria


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Apr 23, 2001, 9:43pm

Since I made my first post to holistic1, I have only tried to discuss the
issue of building in worlds like AW and AW teen, and I have never once
addressed a world owned by a citizen who has paid at least $80 for it when
doing so.

It is you not me who brought up notepad.

I wonder if you actually read the posts or just take target practice
blindfolded. I get a lot of attacks and namecalling and very little civil
posts from you actually addressing what I am trying to talk about.

Now moria, if you can respond to this post in a civil fashion I'll be more
than happy to continue discussing with you what I have been trying to get
others to recognize. If all you have to offer is insults and red herrings
which don't have a thing to do with what I am asking, I will simply turn my
attention to the others like builderz, facter, and fox who have shown an
ability to read and discuss without demeaning a person or situation.



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Apr 24, 2001, 5:01am

My last post to you on this subject troll..

[View Quote] > Since I made my first post to holistic1, I have only tried to discuss the
> issue of building in worlds like AW and AW teen, and I have never once
> addressed a world owned by a citizen who has paid at least $80 for it when
> doing so

Then why, if you look at the thread was it not until your 17th post on this
subject that you first mentioned AW and AWTEEN. until that point you had
simply stated AW and worlds which to everyone except you means all worlds.

> It is you not me who brought up notepad.

yes in correction of your blatant misunderstanding.

your comment....

Same thing with a world, if you buy a world, you
have to pay more for a program to make objects.

my comment...

Bzzzztttt wrong.. you can build objects in notepad, you dont need an
additional program.

your comment...

Are you serious? Where is this feature in notepad to allow me to build
objects with, let me get this straight, you are saying "notepad"?

I say the same to you, unless you can show me how to build objects in
notepad, I doubt you have your facts straight.

my comments..

yes I am serious and most of the objects that exist were built in notepad.

The reason I brought notepad up was because you were wrong and because you
can build objects in notepad.


> I wonder if you actually read the posts or just take target practice
> blindfolded. I get a lot of attacks and namecalling and very little civil
> posts from you actually addressing what I am trying to talk about.

I wonder if you actually read the replys.. you still haven't replied to
over half of what youve been asked, just twisted the bits you want to back
into your own pet war (typical troll and kiddie behaviour)

> Now moria, if you can respond to this post in a civil fashion I'll be more
> than happy to continue discussing with you what I have been trying to get
> others to recognize.

I'd rather you didn't, my sides are already hurting to much from laughing at
you.

You insist others mind read what you say into what you mean.

Unfortunately thats not possible, if you make a direct statement and its
wrong be prepared to be damned for it.

Go on, reply, and have the last word you know you want to..

Just realise that you are now considered a troll

Moria


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