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New World - Now Hiring Lead Programmer(s)! (Sdk)
New World - Now Hiring Lead Programmer(s)! // Sdk357730Oct 29, 2005, 10:13pm
Job Type -
* C/C++ * PHP * Virtual Reality * Website Design Job Overview - Develop C++ bot(s) or application(s) with PHP Web page support for a private, free game world. Would prefer coders who are intimately familiar with Active Worlds and its functionality and limits. Will only consider people who are EXCELLENT coders, who are eager to explore a new 3d gaming adventure and who are excited about contributing to the creation of something/someplace cool in AW! You'll be hired to create bot(s) that will work in conjunction with the new version (not yet released!) active worlds SDK: http://www.activeworlds.com/sdk/ You will also need PHP(?) and HTML/Web design skills for creating a remotely-updated, game-related Web pages. Important Note: Due to the gaming requirements of the bot and AWs ever-changing functionality, the application must allow changes to be made by non-programmers at a later date. Although the Preston is far too limited in its uses, please reference the Preston bot for an idea of the type of GUI that is preferred: http://www.imabot.com/preston.htm ----- Bot Requirements - Basic World Monitoring: - All basic, built-in, AW world-monitoring functions Chat: - global chat or a /shout command, "titles" after player names (CT, PS, B, etc), basic chat monitor with swear words/caps/flooding check and eject function, /home, /join, /ban, /gate and other location commands, etc. Weather: - bot-controlled, rotating weather and sky functions Gaming: - (details disclosed after contract signing) RPG Elements: Creation of a basic RPG set-up which includes: - a monetary system - ability to find, pick up and store objects - sell, buy, and trade with other players and banks (additional details disclosed after contract signing) System backbone: Global bot management system / PHP Web Page with the ability to maintain scores, money and items for the entire world. System is accessible via webpage and inworld commands. Includes an API to adjust avatars, scores, money, and items from other programs. Budget: - Negotiable! - Willing to pay a fair price for an excellent, original application! Wish List: The IDEAL bot(s) will combine: - the ease-of-use/ease of programming of the Preston Bot http://www.imabot.com/preston.htm - the script-handling and world monitoring capabilities of the Xelagot http://www.imatowns.com/xelagot/ - the overall flexibility of the Magsbot http://www.turtleflight.com/magine/mb.html This project requires the creation of a NEW, never before shared application. Near-clones of the above, already-existing programs will NOT be considered! Do you think you can create such a creature? ----- Business Requirements 1) Fully documented source is needed. 2) This is an exclusive-use project with the buyer retaining full, exclusive rights to copyright, use and re-sell the project. 3) Project time frame: After your bid is accepted and details are negotiated, 120 days to demo plus 60 more to completion. 4) Once your bid is accepted and all aspects are negotiated, your bid cannot change. 5) 50% of negotiated price will be placed in an escrow account immediately after bid acceptance. The remaining 50% will be placed in to the same escrow account after the first demo. Payment in full will be released to the programmer upon satisfactory completion of project. Contact: 357730 at programmer.net Please post here or send an email (with bid) if interested! 357730Oct 30, 2005, 5:45am
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Like the dope you've been smoking, right?!
I've received 3 email bids thus far, all from VERY TIP-TOP QUALITY, well-known AW bot creators. The VERY highest was ... well, let's just say you're not THAT great of a programmer, from what I've been told. ;) Thanks for the chuckle. [View Quote] andrasOct 30, 2005, 10:58am
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> $20,000
> > Thats for tip top quality my good sir. > > -Joe > [View Quote] Reasonable price! (though I would charge more) Don't forget - he asks for exclusive rights for such a bot Xelag and Faber developed for years. I did not even enter to this contest because people just never respect the work and quality you put into the project. -- Andras "It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson) strike rapierOct 30, 2005, 6:51pm
Joe is the person whom I forgot to include on my list over in community, so
that makes 6 - Andras would be on it but he seems to be more of a C'er. Seriously, if you want someone on it full time over 6 months (which is what it would take), you can expect to pay a standard wage, thats somewhere between $20,000 and $70,000 -- - Mark Randall http://zetech.swehli.com "Those people that think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do" Isaac Asimov [View Quote] 357730Oct 30, 2005, 8:15pm
Hello, Andras!
And, we would be willing to pay that ... *if* whoever we hire were willing to fly to our location and work under our direct supervision for 6 months. $20.00 is the going rate for a US-based, per-hour programmer who will work on NOTHING else for 8 hours a day while under my employ. I telecommute and work on a contract basis as well, and I might be handling 5 or 6 different customers, all who are paying me simultaneously. That said, I rarely dedicate 8 SOLID hours a day, 5 days a week to one single project, and I seriously doubt that anyone in my position does either! :) That's too bad. We would have hoped to include you in our list of potential programmers. > > > Reasonable price! (though I would charge more) > > Don't forget - he asks for exclusive rights for such a bot Xelag and > Faber developed for years. > I did not even enter to this contest because people just never respect > the work and quality you put into the project. > kfOct 30, 2005, 11:03pm
You really find there programmers, I mean professionals, who do it for a
living, who work for 20.00$/hour? You live in India? :-) [View Quote] strike rapierOct 31, 2005, 6:54am
If my figures are right.... and theres few things I admire more than a good
figure ;) Going rate in US for a programmer is between $40 and $200 an hour isnt it? (depending on senior status). We just had a visit from Accenture who wanted 20 'Junior Software Engineers' on £16k ($25,000) placement for 1 year living in London. The lecture theatre pretty much burst out laughing at them. -- - Mark Randall http://zetech.swehli.com "Those people that think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do" Isaac Asimov [View Quote] armygeddonOct 31, 2005, 1:28pm
$20/hr?
I think I chose the wrong major...is it too late to change to under water basket weaver? :) [View Quote] dm mercuryOct 31, 2005, 3:18pm
$20/hr only comes out to abotu 40k per year, not an amazing salary. You
could make the same money working at McDonalds and Pizza Hut. You would just have almost no life, and nearly die of sleep deprivation... the more I think about it, isnt that what programming is all about? [View Quote] 357730Oct 31, 2005, 4:19pm
kf said: "You really find there programmers, I mean professionals, who
do it for a living, who work for 20.00$/hour?" ----- No. Not here. Here -- like every other place in the US -- professional programmers make between $50 and $80 per hour. The average, for the US hovers at around $44,000 a year for programmers. -- http://tms.ecol.net/jobs/asc3.htm However, that rate is for a professional, exclusive-use programmer who is working for a corporation, usually in-house, on a retail venture or corporate project. Specialized consultants, of course, make much, much more ... but, they also have 20+ years experience. What we're talking about here and high school students who are still in classes, can only work part-time, will surely be doing other tasks on my time, who aren't even making $10.00 an hour at present, who will be working on a game venture that will bring me no revenue. These playing fields are entirely different, as are the hourly rates. And, they should be. If any of the "professional" programmers here can do better than to make a few thousand dollars for 6 months of part-time, leisurely work, I challenge them to do so. I don't, however, see any of AWs current "professional programmers" selling any of their work to the community or making any money whatsoever from their programming ventures. So, what I propose is a win-win situation, for everyone: - I win by hiring a programmer for a reasonable rate. - The programmer wins by making money that they would not otherwise be making, doing something they enjoy. - The community wins by having a new, exciting, free-to-visit world with a coll bot. And, of course, should I not find what I need here, in the AW community, amongst those who *should* be benefiting from my offer and who know the ins-and-outs of bot making for the AW SDK, I will continue to plan b, which DOES include tapping the Indian market for a programmer. :) [View Quote] strike rapierOct 31, 2005, 10:24pm
Hmm, new person introduced to the relativly undocumented SDK trying to
figure out everything in it, make up their own management systems and work out what the hell everything does... Good bloody luck, this will be one I will be amazed to see. For the record, it took me 4 years to learn 'everything' about the SDK and still find new things regually, and I code at amazing speed. Also for the record, im quite apt at project management for myself, and I always find it best to know who you are dealing with... Evidence collected so far shows that you are failing to both reach out to the core team (you know, the ones that actually know the SDK properly) You are willing to pay thousands of dollars for a programmer for a free world, wanting to take all the features from the 3 community bots and have exclusive use of them; you want it updatable by novices so you can cut the coder once its done, and you do not like the idea of students despite the best coders in AW all being on computer related computing degrees. The above makes you look like a fraud, I would be, and am, very, very warey of your motives as there is no apparent logic behind them that any of us can see... Welcome to prove me wrong tho, ive been wrong before, but its damned rare. -- - Mark Randall http://zetech.swehli.com "Those people that think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do" Isaac Asimov [View Quote] strike rapierOct 31, 2005, 10:51pm
For the record, I am quite aware I can be a bitch :)
-- - Mark Randall http://zetech.swehli.com "Those people that think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do" Isaac Asimov [View Quote] 357730Nov 1, 2005, 12:46am
Now, Mark. Don't get all in a snit because you were quickly dismissed as
a potential employee. One thing you are not (nor have ever been, to my recollection) is modest. Nor are you a bad coder. To the contrary, you are one of the best with the AW SDK. This has never been in dispute. However, this does not mean that you are valuable to me as an employee. The same bad attitude that makes you stand out here at the forum is the one that will make you a severe liability in the job market and to me, as your potential employer. Your "evidence collected thus far"? What, exactly, do do you mean, Mark? Since you do not have access to our email inbox, are we to assume that you're inferring -- since we have not chosen YOU above all others -- that we're now "screwed" ... as you so eloquently stated in your email to us? free world You bet! We've got it like that. :) Indeed! We would like the very best of the best in bots. This includes having some (not all) of the features present in the AW community's presently used bots. Are you inferring that what we are doing -- wanting to improve upon the already existing bots -- is a bad thing? How strange! Exactly! This is the true measure of a coder's ability to create an application for today's user base ... "ease of use". Not everyone is a coder, and we're smart enough to realize that our users will not be coders, either. This is why, if we were to tally up the numbers, we would find that of all of the existing bots, the Preston bot far outshines the Xelagot or the Magsbot in number of downloads! It's probably due to that sneaky little element ... "ease of use"! On the contrary! We know that our best hope for a reasonably-priced, talented coder lies in AWs already-existing, "student" population. We currently have two coders in our employ, both of them still in high school! The only student we've dismissed thus far as a potential lead coder is you, Mark. When we first opened the job, we opted to post publicly and give all of the AW coding community an opportunity to comment and bid, even though you, specifically, were someone we had our doubts about. After just 2 days, you eliminated yourself from the possibilities, not based on your purported coding skills (which, we're hear are exemplary), but, based solely on your poor attitude and unwillingness to see anything past your own self as having any importance or worth. We are building a TEAM, and, we think it unwise to hire someone who -- from the very outset -- is showing themselves to be so very unwilling to play well with others. We've received many, many emails from coders who are not nearly as "expert" as you are with the AW SDK, but, I can assure you -- they stand a much better chance of being hired, not only by us, but by the job market in general, based upon their overall demeanor. warey of your motives as there is no apparent logic behind them that any of us can see... *shrug* Feel free to think what you wish. We are exactly what we present ourselves to be, no more, no less. Time and our actions will tell the tale. We have no agenda, aside from that which we have already stated. We want to hire exceptional coders to build an exceptional bot. Feel free to email if interested with comments, questions or resumes. 357730 357730 at programmer.net [View Quote] sw chrisNov 1, 2005, 2:26am
lady nighthawkNov 1, 2005, 2:39am
lady nighthawkNov 1, 2005, 2:55am
BTW I sure hope you'd consider my envirobox over current aw type skyboxes or
backdrops. My envirobox (my skybox on steroids ;o} ) allows the user to have a mountain scene (for instance) but the sky part is transparent so the user can use aw's sky colors plus clouds, stars, etc. My envirobox idea rocks (although admittedly others may have thought of it also LOL) ... you can see it in action at Aeon, better yet gram me when you see me on and I'll give you a *demonstration* ... the envirobox is FREE for d/l at my site (you can find that from that aw IE browser when you arrive in Aeon, once there go to the gallery, the envirobox in my world is EnviroSet2 or something like that). An envirobox will be great for worlds that need to change skies according to the time of day, but need the mountains (or whatever the backdrop is) to remain the same or similar except for shading (day to night). I can of course make *more* if needed. One of my skyboxes is currently in use in a real game made in Germany :o} Lady NightHawk [View Quote] strike rapierNov 1, 2005, 8:42am
Everyone always has been Chris :P i'm not confortable negotiating with
ghosts anyway ;) Besides - when June comes around again and I have lots of free time a few people shown interest, so when John has his Indian coding away for 6 months and all this lot I will simply walk along and better whatever has been made 5 fold, would probably only take me a fortnight considering all I have to do is clip existing modules together and write the code for on-top. I always need reasons to futher inflate my already huge ego :) My worth ethic is this: If I am not working for you, I am working to put you out of business - and thats good news for me, and bad news for everyone else. I am not at all hurt, or angered by not getting this, the working method isnt suitable for me. Best of luck!... im always open to new challenges, especially ones that give half of the details I did when I was making the Arc bot :O Whoops. -- - Mark Randall http://zetech.swehli.com "Those people that think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do" Isaac Asimov [View Quote] strike rapierNov 1, 2005, 3:32pm
Hence why I guage what the market needs, and sell it to them as a product
once ive made it. -- - Mark Randall http://zetech.swehli.com "Those people that think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do" Isaac Asimov [View Quote] 357730Nov 2, 2005, 6:16am
Hello, Lady NightHawk!
> BTW I sure hope you'd consider my envirobox over current aw type skyboxes or > backdrops. My envirobox (my skybox on steroids ;o} ) allows the user to have > a mountain scene (for instance) but the sky part is transparent so the user > can use aw's sky colors plus clouds, stars, etc. This is one feature of the world that we're obsessing on. One thing we want is as realistic a sky (enviro!) as possible! > My envirobox idea rocks (although admittedly others may have thought of it > also LOL) ... you can see it in action at Aeon, better yet gram me when you > see me on and I'll give you a *demonstration* ... the envirobox is FREE for > d/l at my site (you can find that from that aw IE browser when you arrive in > Aeon, once there go to the gallery, the envirobox in my world is EnviroSet2 > or something like that). We have seen your envirobox in use before, but, would like to come take another look! We'll make sure to add it to the list of possibles, and come back to check it out again really soon! That's a promise! > I can of course make *more* if needed. MORE is always good! We may want to consider a "custom" set of backdrops. Can you create such a thing? One of my skyboxes is currently in use in a real game made in Germany :o} Congratulations! Although, your use of the phrase 'real game' made me chuckle! AW *is* a real game ... kinda! ;) Thanks for your comments! sweNov 2, 2005, 3:33pm
i'd just like to state, AW is not a game! i hate it when people see me on
activeworlds and say "oh i cant believe you still play that game*. AW isn't a game! games have rules. aw is a, emm, platform :) makes me feel alot better about spending so much time on it knowing that AW is not a game ^_^ -SWE [View Quote] andrasNov 2, 2005, 5:24pm
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> i'd just like to state, AW is not a game! i hate it when people see me on
> activeworlds and say "oh i cant believe you still play that game*. AW isn't > a game! games have rules. aw is a, emm, platform :) makes me feel alot > better about spending so much time on it knowing that AW is not a game ^_^ > > -SWE > I second your thoughts! AW is MUCH MUCH more than a game - it IS the virtual reality! (Just look the flames and fightings going on :) Some of us who are familiar with SnowCrash probably can back me up. -- Andras "It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson) tart sugarNov 2, 2005, 6:36pm
I would love to see The Gate have that "garbage bot" thing that sweeps up a
dead avatar and disposes of it in the trash. ; ) [View Quote] [View Quote] andrasNov 2, 2005, 9:35pm
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> I would love to see The Gate have that "garbage bot" thing that sweeps up a
> dead avatar and disposes of it in the trash. ; ) > > Hmmm - I should write that "piece of software" :) <or just ask Strike Rapier to whip it up> -- Andras "It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson) strike rapierNov 2, 2005, 10:00pm
class CTrashBot :
public CBaseBot { protected: IMPLIMENT_STD_AVATARS(CBaseAvatar) IMPLIMENT_STD_LOGIN( ) IMPLIMENT_STD_COMMS( ) void OnTimer(UINT TimerID) { PBASEAVATAR user; FOR_EACH_OF_DEFINED_USERS(user, g_Avatars) if (GetTickCount() - user.GetLastActionTime() >= 1000 * 60 * 60) user->EjectUser("RIP", 300); END_FOR_EACH } }; ;) <3 -- - Mark Randall http://zetech.swehli.com "Those people that think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do" Isaac Asimov [View Quote] |
