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Jul 12, 2004, 3:13pm

Hey Folks,

Does anyone know if there is a standard on the format for the monthly /
yearly citizenship costs in the SDK / Universe? Ive noticed when I've been
playing with Eclipse's Uni report that in some situations the uniserver
gives a $ / £ figure before, and sometimes it does not (ie: AW).

Does anyone know what this is MEANT to be? I am guessing logic would say its
meant to have a currency unit so different countries can use it but I need
to decide if I should throw in a $ into the formatting of the report...

Ideas, anyone?

- Mark
Yes I've thought of only including it if no other currency symbols are
present

Jul 12, 2004, 4:48pm

erm that Xelagot guy will know, sorry ive forgot his name
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Jul 12, 2004, 7:45pm

Isn't it just the entry in the universe ini file.
http://www.activeworlds.com/help/uniserver_registration.html For example if
you entered $19.95 then the SDK would return the $

AW_UNIVERSE_REGISTRATION_CHARGE being a string.. But i guess if its not
defined then its just the defaults used on the transaction rather than a
specified currancy.

Jul 13, 2004, 1:39pm

The xelagot man doesn't know really, but since it is a string, I guess
you can add the currency symbol:

€ 9,99

(with the internationally used comma :)

Alex (XelaG)
Xelagot Man

On 12 Jul 2004 14:48:16 -0400, "ksg"
[View Quote] >erm that Xelagot guy will know, sorry ive forgot his name
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Jul 13, 2004, 9:13pm

comma isn't internationally used >_< only them strange europeans use it (by
strange, i mean the germans and french!) eveyrone else uses .s! :)

-SWE

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Jul 13, 2004, 10:20pm

Wrong.

I was brought up in Uruguay and Argentina in the 50s-60s. We use the
comma there. When I came to live in Europe (Netherlands) in the 70s
up to now, the comma we use here too. When I was in the USSR in the
70s, they used the comma there too. The strange Europeans you mention
are probably strange to you because of recent events: no more french
fries in the USA!

I personally prefer the decimal point. But what the heck :)

Alex

[View Quote] >comma isn't internationally used >_< only them strange europeans use it (by
>strange, i mean the germans and french!) eveyrone else uses .s! :)
>
> -SWE
>
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Jul 14, 2004, 2:23am

[View Quote] Everyone must prefer the decemal point, or how the hell are you meant to
tell the difference between 1,000 and 1.000?

Standards people! I dont give a damned what you think you should all conform
to MY STANDARDS!

- MR

Jul 14, 2004, 3:04am

Ive got one thing to say to:
> I was brought up in Uruguay and Argentina in the 50s-60s. We use the
> comma there.



http://zetech.swehli.com/dontcryforme.mid
^^ CLICK HERE BEFORE READING ^^













Its bloody annoying, I think its rather strange
When I try to interpret, these currencies you sendd
And that I still need to use val( ) despite all that ive done
Yet wont compile for meeeee

All you will see is Buffer overflow,
Although masked in ASM
Which of course is rather poo
I think the coders should sue!

I dont have to accept standards, my codes dont av' to change
I couldent spend my entire life based on feeeel

Looking in the IDE, looking for the bug
So I chose a breakpointtt

Running around trying watches now
But nothing works at alll

Id never expeect a sodding format,
id never expect at all...

....


I feel like cryin' cause of argentina
The truth is your a painnn in the asss
All though these dark days,
of sodding coding...
You make my life harddd
So commas keep your distanceeee

Have I ranted to much? Theres nothing more I can think of to say to you
But all you have to do is change your 'global options'
and get rid of your formatting pooooooooooo

...

So DONT CRY FOR ME MR. CODER!
The TRUTH is im HERE TO HAUNT YOU
Though EVERY PROJECT
In YOUR EXISTANCE
I'll make your code screeeewed

As a wise coder once told me, he was shouded in fame
make your programs compatable, or hang your head in shame
Other people may seem like illusions
But those illusions you will see
Dont pay your bloody wages
So they might as well go go away...

So they might as well go awayy...

[

SOOOOOOOOO DONT CRY FOR ME MR. CODER!
THE TRUTH IS IM HERE TO HAUNT YOU
THROUGH EVERY PROJECT
IN YOUR EXISTANCE
I'LL MAKE YOUR CODE SCREWWWWED

]
repeat and fade out...

Copyright Mark Randall (2004)

Jul 14, 2004, 3:13am

LMAO this is the best post ever! hah shut him right up :) you may be smart,
you may know allot, but when it comes to being nice Alex your lost...you;v
told me off before in beta ng for asking a simple question about version
features...now that's not very nice :) I didn't know how to say it myself,
but mark said it perfectly :)

lol im in tears laughing at that song, mark you should go into the music
business
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Jul 14, 2004, 4:01am

btw this is with no offense to Alex, :) ur great, but hey sometimes yaw
gotta know when to suck it up and let sum1 else be right (even if their
completely wrong)
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Jul 14, 2004, 9:03am

Nice :)

[View Quote] >btw this is with no offense to Alex, :) ur great, but hey sometimes yaw
>gotta know when to suck it up and let sum1 else be right (even if their
>completely wrong)
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Jul 14, 2004, 10:01am

There is, of course, also an ISO norm for this, it is the 31-0 as of
1992. It applies to all technical documents (when you write privately,
you can, naturally, as well use eg. the assyrian stone carving symbols
or Roman digits):

The decimal seperator is the COMMA and has to be used in all ISO
documents. However, in _english_language_ texts, it is also ALLOWED to
use the POINT (unless they are english ISO documents).
It is, BTW, NOT allowed to start a digit with the decimal character, so
values like .5 or ,5 are incorrect (correct is 0.5 or 0,5).

The thousands seperator, however, is neither comma nor point nor upper
comma (as in Switzerland for example), but a SPACE, eg. as in 123 456
789.

In this regard, threemillion fourhundredthousand twohundredtwentyseven
and 87/100 would be written as:

ISO international = 3 400 227,87
non-ISO english language = 3 400 227.87

FOUR digit years, page references and such shall be written without
seperators, eg. 2004-07-14 or Page 1234.

:-)



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Jul 14, 2004, 10:57am

http://united-states.asinah.net/american-encyclopedia/wikipedia/s/si/si.html

[View Quote] >There is, of course, also an ISO norm for this, it is the 31-0 as of
>1992. It applies to all technical documents (when you write privately,
>you can, naturally, as well use eg. the assyrian stone carving symbols
>or Roman digits):
>
>The decimal seperator is the COMMA and has to be used in all ISO
>documents. However, in _english_language_ texts, it is also ALLOWED to
>use the POINT (unless they are english ISO documents).
>It is, BTW, NOT allowed to start a digit with the decimal character, so
>values like .5 or ,5 are incorrect (correct is 0.5 or 0,5).
>
>The thousands seperator, however, is neither comma nor point nor upper
>comma (as in Switzerland for example), but a SPACE, eg. as in 123 456
>789.
>
>In this regard, threemillion fourhundredthousand twohundredtwentyseven
>and 87/100 would be written as:
>
>ISO international = 3 400 227,87
>non-ISO english language = 3 400 227.87
>
>FOUR digit years, page references and such shall be written without
>seperators, eg. 2004-07-14 or Page 1234.
>
>:-)
>
>
>
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Jul 14, 2004, 11:37am

The problem becomes accute really when parsing strings. For xelagot
and AW related applications, I decided to adopt the UK/US convention
of the dot as decimal separator, because it is the standard used by
AW, also for text SEQ files and RWX files. This caused, in the
begining, problems for users in many countries, where the computer
locale uses the comma as decimal separator: numbers in files were
being read wrongly and numbers in strings were being parsed wrongly.
Luckily, Delphi has a solution: your application can define it's own
decimal separator, so all my programs start with

Application.UpdateFormatSettings := False;
DecimalSeparator := '.';

This solved the problem for me :)

I do not use the thousands separator at all in my programs. Using a
space would be very difficult, as it is used mostly as a normal word
separator. The same goes for the comma.

Alex

[View Quote] >There is, of course, also an ISO norm for this, it is the 31-0 as of
>1992. It applies to all technical documents (when you write privately,
>you can, naturally, as well use eg. the assyrian stone carving symbols
>or Roman digits):
>
>The decimal seperator is the COMMA and has to be used in all ISO
>documents. However, in _english_language_ texts, it is also ALLOWED to
>use the POINT (unless they are english ISO documents).
>It is, BTW, NOT allowed to start a digit with the decimal character, so
>values like .5 or ,5 are incorrect (correct is 0.5 or 0,5).
>
>The thousands seperator, however, is neither comma nor point nor upper
>comma (as in Switzerland for example), but a SPACE, eg. as in 123 456
>789.
>
>In this regard, threemillion fourhundredthousand twohundredtwentyseven
>and 87/100 would be written as:
>
>ISO international = 3 400 227,87
>non-ISO english language = 3 400 227.87
>
>FOUR digit years, page references and such shall be written without
>seperators, eg. 2004-07-14 or Page 1234.
>
>:-)
>
>
>
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Jul 14, 2004, 11:53am

Another problem with parsing numbers in strings is the E, as for
example used in AW coordinates. In scientific notation, the E is part
of a number, for example, 1.2345e-10. So what I do when parsing
coordinates is test for the presence of E and e at the end of a number
before extracting the number.

Alex

Jul 14, 2004, 12:20pm

well, i lived in england, then moved to libya, and they use commas in both
places! all arab countries use commas! :) plus, the chineese and indians
(actually, i'm not sure about the chineese and indians) so, that's more then
half the world, hahaahaha!

-SWE

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Jul 14, 2004, 12:47pm

The fact, SWE, is that there are two main systems in use for the
decimal separator. As programmer, you need to take this into account,
or your programs may only work on some locales and not on others. I
shared my experience with Delphi, maybe VB and C programmers can now
tell us how they solve this?

Alex


[View Quote] >well, i lived in england, then moved to libya, and they use commas in both
>places! all arab countries use commas! :) plus, the chineese and indians
>(actually, i'm not sure about the chineese and indians) so, that's more then
>half the world, hahaahaha!
>
> -SWE

Jul 14, 2004, 2:00pm

wow O_O my post took a long time to get posted O_O
ok, didn't quite get the post, but doesn't matter, i'm always right! ^_^

-SWE

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Jul 14, 2004, 3:13pm

He he, I like alex, I just wanted to make a song :O

- MR

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Jul 14, 2004, 4:18pm

In article <gacaf0h9k5q963gt5107im3dgdrplnsr4o at 4ax.com>,
xelag at digitalspace.com says...
> The problem becomes accute really when parsing strings. For xelagot
> and AW related applications, I decided to adopt the UK/US convention
> of the dot as decimal separator, because it is the standard used by
> AW, also for text SEQ files and RWX files. This caused, in the
> begining, problems for users in many countries, where the computer
> locale uses the comma as decimal separator: numbers in files were
> being read wrongly and numbers in strings were being parsed wrongly.
> Luckily, Delphi has a solution: your application can define it's own
> decimal separator, so all my programs start with
>
> Application.UpdateFormatSettings := False;
> DecimalSeparator := '.';
>
> This solved the problem for me :)
>
> I do not use the thousands separator at all in my programs. Using a
> space would be very difficult, as it is used mostly as a normal word
> separator. The same goes for the comma.
>
> Alex
>

I suppose there are simmilar ways to solve this in every language like
format in VB, fwiw when needed I get and use the client's decimal
separator (and other regional settings) through windows api by calling
GetLocaleInfo.

--
../B

Jul 16, 2004, 4:53pm

Of course as far as maths goes... there is a reason we use the decemal point
in uh... the decimal system...

However thats not the only reason: the comma is the matrix array denoter
seperating 2 or more items in a linear matrix such as (1, 2, 3) which of
course could be used to represent 3D coordinates...

As for the space as a thousand delim, I always thought that was shere
madness to include whitespaces in a single entity... a , you can just do a
string replace on and delete the ","... but with a " " you dont even know
where to begin parsing the number unless you spend absolutly ages trying to
create inventive ways to tell where one thing ends and another thing
starts...

I can just about live with non-iso english... but I prefer this:

3,400,227.87 at least for when I am actually doing math...

Damn the ISO! Noone wants you anyway and everyone should use DD/MM/YY[YY]
for dates or even better:
DDD DD MMM, YY[YY] (see, matrices delimiter seperating 2 entities).

Anyway... moving onto more interesting things... we have 1000 seperators in
decimal... what are the equivilents in hex? hehe

- Mark R
Your all going to hate me now for my none-conformance...
TOUGH! ?:-) [None conformant smiley - it has a wavey ? hair on it)


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