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Apr 5, 2001, 9:25pm

I am bored as usual, and since no one seems to care if my Bank Bot gets
finished or not I plan to start a bot that lets you play slots :)

Apr 5, 2001, 10:37pm

Lol, sounds cool, how would you do that?

[View Quote] > I am bored as usual, and since no one seems to care if my Bank Bot gets
> finished or not I plan to start a bot that lets you play slots :)

Apr 5, 2001, 10:54pm

Well, I plan it let people join the playing activity, and leave it, and then
it will call three random numbers, then it will define them. Very simple
really lol.

Apr 6, 2001, 1:06am

It would be cool, if you had like objects, and it would like have textures, and
it would swich them according to numbers, and stuff liek that so it looks like
it spins, lol and have it keep score, and have prizes

[View Quote] > Well, I plan it let people join the playing activity, and leave it, and then
> it will call three random numbers, then it will define them. Very simple
> really lol.

Apr 6, 2001, 1:16am

I dont want to make it survey that would be too complicating.

Apr 6, 2001, 8:17pm

Mak, no offense, because we all love new, promising bot programmers, but
bots can, for the most part, only be released once and be big, so let
someone else come out with a Slot Bot first that can do a lot, please :-)
-RD
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Apr 6, 2001, 9:18pm

What the heck sort of comment is that RD??

Let him play and learn like we all did. If he want to attack a "Slot Bot" of
his own, then let him do it for Heaven's sake !!

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Apr 6, 2001, 10:57pm

I was kind of wondering the same thing Grimble. I am not a new programmer
and I was going to try to make a very cool Slot Bot and maybe go farther to
make some different ones (Ex: Roulette (sp?), Black Jack.)

Apr 7, 2001, 1:29am

A creepy comment :(

When I started making my bots, this is the sort of comment that put me off.
Luckily, some people were more positive, sharing dreams, experiences and
code.... and encouraging words. Bots do *not* need to be released once and
be big, RD. It is the creative effort that makes a bot big, not how it is
received. Making a bot is like creating a poem or a sculpture: you put your
soul in it.

May I quote from my Fang Club, written by a known **** when I first
released my bot:

"Eep² <yawn> Yet more wasted effort that could've been more wisely,
efficiently used towards an existing bot instead of redoing most of what was
already done. Gee, you programmers must be sado masochists or something.
Ever heard of the concept of cooperation? Try it."

This is the sort of attitude that murders souls.

XelaG

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Apr 7, 2001, 1:50am

I totally agree with you, xelag !!
Just imagine how Roland feels when/if he reads eeps posts like "more of Roland's bad maths" or something... when he's put years into
this program...

Keep up the good work makaveli, we're all eagerly waiting to try your bot... ;))

Fox Mc Cloud !

"xelag" <xelag at 3dee.nl> a écrit dans le message news: 3ace89aa$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> A creepy comment :(
>
> When I started making my bots, this is the sort of comment that put me off.
> Luckily, some people were more positive, sharing dreams, experiences and
> code.... and encouraging words. Bots do *not* need to be released once and
> be big, RD. It is the creative effort that makes a bot big, not how it is
> received. Making a bot is like creating a poem or a sculpture: you put your
> soul in it.
>
> May I quote from my Fang Club, written by a known **** when I first
> released my bot:
>
> "Eep² <yawn> Yet more wasted effort that could've been more wisely,
> efficiently used towards an existing bot instead of redoing most of what was
> already done. Gee, you programmers must be sado masochists or something.
> Ever heard of the concept of cooperation? Try it."
>
> This is the sort of attitude that murders souls.
>
> XelaG

Apr 7, 2001, 2:06am

Imagine in a couple of hundred years... they might rediscover our bots
somewhere in an old html page, find the old code... and rebuild the whole AW
environement just to revive them...

The people and bots watching this hologram will be nodding apreciatively and
whispering in awe: these were our ancestors

:)

Apr 7, 2001, 3:00am

[View Quote] Actually, to tell you the truth, a "SlotBot" has already been made, altough
I think it is long gone by now. Abbot Pabisoko made one and diaplayed it in
the long forgotten AW Bot Fair, but that went no where. It is actually an
interesting idea, and it would be neat to see something like this in a world
where people could play it.

Apr 7, 2001, 3:01pm

I never said he couldn't. I'm saying that bots can have one impact on the
community, so if someone made an exact copy of CyPac except 1,000x better,
it still wouldn't have as much impact. So all I'm saying is that if you just
want to do things to toy around and learn then let someone who wants to make
it for the impact make it.

Let me make my recommendations like we all have. If I want to talk to new
programmers about "impact", then let me do it for Heaven's sake !!

-RD

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Apr 7, 2001, 3:21pm

I just want to say thank you to all of you who support me :) I am going to
make the bot and hopefully finish the base coding this coming week, then
debug it in the next lol. I will release a "Beta" to the public that does
mostly the basics, then I will add more features and give you a link to
download it.

Apr 7, 2001, 6:43pm

Its nice to be part of history, lol

[View Quote] > Imagine in a couple of hundred years... they might rediscover our bots
> somewhere in an old html page, find the old code... and rebuild the whole AW
> environement just to revive them...
>
> The people and bots watching this hologram will be nodding apreciatively and
> whispering in awe: these were our ancestors
>
> :)

Apr 7, 2001, 7:58pm

RD, I don't believe you're right about the initial impact of a bot & all...
For example, jey said in this thread that there had already been a slot bot released sometime ago but it's long forgotten now...
Besides, if the bot really had such impact and everyone used it, it would mean it was still pretty cool, and makaveli would be proud
of having his bot used by all, so I don't see why he would want to try and avoid that...

Fox Mc Cloud

"rough diamond" <joshua_trask at capecod.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3acf47db$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I never said he couldn't. I'm saying that bots can have one impact on the
> community, so if someone made an exact copy of CyPac except 1,000x better,
> it still wouldn't have as much impact. So all I'm saying is that if you just
> want to do things to toy around and learn then let someone who wants to make
> it for the impact make it.
>
> Let me make my recommendations like we all have. If I want to talk to new
> programmers about "impact", then let me do it for Heaven's sake !!
>
> -RD
>
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Apr 7, 2001, 10:15pm

My parents always says (and im shure everyone elses parents say it to) If you dont have anythign postive to say DONT SAY IT

[View Quote] > RD, I don't believe you're right about the initial impact of a bot & all...
> For example, jey said in this thread that there had already been a slot bot released sometime ago but it's long forgotten now...
> Besides, if the bot really had such impact and everyone used it, it would mean it was still pretty cool, and makaveli would be proud
> of having his bot used by all, so I don't see why he would want to try and avoid that...
>
> Fox Mc Cloud
>
> "rough diamond" <joshua_trask at capecod.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3acf47db$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...

Apr 8, 2001, 12:30am

Oh mine were simpler: If you don't have anytihing to say, then don't say it
:))

Apr 8, 2001, 12:34am

LOL Mine just told me to shut up when I talked crap !


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Apr 8, 2001, 2:54am

RD,

Sure you are welcom with me to make your recommendations, I'm not the king
of the realm :)

The dilemma for me is that since bots made their appearence in aw, the
attitude has been very negative towards bot-makers. Not negative, but *very*
negative. It is maybe history to you, it is full present to me. The help
files of the aw browser had an extreme negative warning against bots (that
has changed in the last versions), warning world owners about the dangers...
we fought this image, all botmakers, small and big. Bot makers are
confronted with the limitations of Windows (the bot sdk only works in this
crappy system), the port of the C code to various other development
languages (with for at least a year or so an active disaproval and
demeanouring attitude of C coders, including Roland Vilett, that has now
changed), and the limitations of the aw.dll SDK code itself. Bot makers are
not born but made. It takes patience, ingenuity and a lot of love and
dedication. Sure, if someone paid me millions or a bit less to learn how to
make bots, it might take slightly less time, and I could throw the love and
dedication to another level. But that is not the case. There are many
reasons why you want to make a bot. I myself was inspired by Hamfon's
bots... they filled my first four months in aw with satisfaction! When
Atlantis decided (the owner Cryonics I guess) to ban bots (I still damn that
day) I got the hell outta there. I still have 'property' there... Then
came the mixture of helpfull and demeaning attitudes of the *superior* C bot
programmers... any bug we found was attributed to our programming language
in those days.

Bots seem to many like to belong here, and for me they do. But the priority
of AW has always been directed towards browser browser browser. This is of
course not strange... if your rendering engine doesnt work it doesnt work:
agreed.

Still, in more and more cases, it is patent that extra aw-browser activities
can shape your world. This is not a priority... They have failed in their
attempts to create a viable e-commerce ( at mart is an patent example). Their
Educational Universe is ruled by bannings and prescritions: world owners,
who possible pay quite a lot, at least as much as we do here, are imposed a
Cutoms Aide bot from the universe owner - Lucerzia Borgia. Tourists, even
welcome ones by the world owner, are ejected by that bot, and some owners
dont even know about it.

But bots can enhance a lot, in worlds and universes.... Brant once sent me
a telegram, when he got his Cy award, saying that he owed it to me and my
xelagots: that is how he shaped his idea for his award winning bot... and I,
I shaped my xelagot idea on Hamfon's bots...

Every bot maker, small or big, beginner or experienced, should be welcomed.
To create something, whether it is a script for an existing bot, or a source
coded bot... that is for me like re-shaping the world.

An insect bite in this process was the constant interference of one well
known troll, insulting us as much as he could. I wish all those who attempt
to create a bot, whether it be one that allready exists or a totally
different one, the best of luck, strength and inspiration... kill the
trolls, don't let them put you down :).

So you see, RD, lots of waters have flown under the bot bridge :)

XelaG

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Apr 8, 2001, 9:55am

Yeah, same here... Oh, and on my previous post, sorry. I'm not going to say
I didn't mean it, because there was something that I meant to say in there,
but that was definatelly not how I meant to say it (School's been
frustrating lately) so I'm sorry, and I hope you'll accept my apology.
-RD
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Apr 8, 2001, 9:59am

XelaG - Although that speech didn't appear to have anything to contradict
what I said, I still loved it, and would like to thank you for it :-)
-RD
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Apr 8, 2001, 10:15am

LOL ... not me that anyone should be apoligising to. I just said my piece in
my first post.


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Apr 8, 2001, 7:35pm

As you may have noticed, I do not always agree with AW attitudes or
policies, but let me state this: AW is at present the best community system
I've seen, and whether one agrees or not with their policies, AW and its
staff do inspire a lot of respect (which does not mean one has to shut ones
mouth).

The bot oddisey is typicall of many processes: you introduce something new,
with good and bad potentials, many of the consequences of this are
unpredictable. This is picked up by other parties, which find ways and
applications which go beyond what one planned originally. It is a process
of permanent adjustment of goals and techniques, of fears versus reality.
As time goes by, a certain equilibrium is struck, the process is better
understood. For example, non-C programmers can now file a bug report without
expecting this answer: "it must be a bug in your programming language" (a
very common remark in the early days).

I wish AW would create a bot development department, where the priority
would be non-browser oriented. Many a world nowadays exists because of
bots, some have even been bought exclusively to implement bot activities
(games etc). Educational, commercial and entertainment worlds could benefit
a lot in enhancements of bot abilities, integrated with better browser
capabilities.

XelaG

Apr 8, 2001, 10:17pm

Look at this! A simple "Im making a slots bot" turned into a
mini-battle. Is "bots" doomed to face the same fate as "community",
becoming a virtual battleground and filled with little (mini)battles?

--
- Tony M (a.k.a Tony56) [tony at vrunited.itgo.com]
"Through Cyberspace, we are Virtually United"
"Points to Ponder: If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the
opposite of Progress?"
____________________________________________________________

Apr 8, 2001, 10:25pm

*crys* Thats a touching speech, and i mean it man, im not very good at making
bots, and the one i have is not the best but i dont like it when a "troll" yells
at me and says bots suck and stuff like that

[View Quote] > RD,
>
> Sure you are welcom with me to make your recommendations, I'm not the king
> of the realm :)
>
> The dilemma for me is that since bots made their appearence in aw, the
> attitude has been very negative towards bot-makers. Not negative, but *very*
> negative. It is maybe history to you, it is full present to me. The help
> files of the aw browser had an extreme negative warning against bots (that
> has changed in the last versions), warning world owners about the dangers...
> we fought this image, all botmakers, small and big. Bot makers are
> confronted with the limitations of Windows (the bot sdk only works in this
> crappy system), the port of the C code to various other development
> languages (with for at least a year or so an active disaproval and
> demeanouring attitude of C coders, including Roland Vilett, that has now
> changed), and the limitations of the aw.dll SDK code itself. Bot makers are
> not born but made. It takes patience, ingenuity and a lot of love and
> dedication. Sure, if someone paid me millions or a bit less to learn how to
> make bots, it might take slightly less time, and I could throw the love and
> dedication to another level. But that is not the case. There are many
> reasons why you want to make a bot. I myself was inspired by Hamfon's
> bots... they filled my first four months in aw with satisfaction! When
> Atlantis decided (the owner Cryonics I guess) to ban bots (I still damn that
> day) I got the hell outta there. I still have 'property' there... Then
> came the mixture of helpfull and demeaning attitudes of the *superior* C bot
> programmers... any bug we found was attributed to our programming language
> in those days.
>
> Bots seem to many like to belong here, and for me they do. But the priority
> of AW has always been directed towards browser browser browser. This is of
> course not strange... if your rendering engine doesnt work it doesnt work:
> agreed.
>
> Still, in more and more cases, it is patent that extra aw-browser activities
> can shape your world. This is not a priority... They have failed in their
> attempts to create a viable e-commerce ( at mart is an patent example). Their
> Educational Universe is ruled by bannings and prescritions: world owners,
> who possible pay quite a lot, at least as much as we do here, are imposed a
> Cutoms Aide bot from the universe owner - Lucerzia Borgia. Tourists, even
> welcome ones by the world owner, are ejected by that bot, and some owners
> dont even know about it.
>
> But bots can enhance a lot, in worlds and universes.... Brant once sent me
> a telegram, when he got his Cy award, saying that he owed it to me and my
> xelagots: that is how he shaped his idea for his award winning bot... and I,
> I shaped my xelagot idea on Hamfon's bots...
>
> Every bot maker, small or big, beginner or experienced, should be welcomed.
> To create something, whether it is a script for an existing bot, or a source
> coded bot... that is for me like re-shaping the world.
>
> An insect bite in this process was the constant interference of one well
> known troll, insulting us as much as he could. I wish all those who attempt
> to create a bot, whether it be one that allready exists or a totally
> different one, the best of luck, strength and inspiration... kill the
> trolls, don't let them put you down :).
>
> So you see, RD, lots of waters have flown under the bot bridge :)
>
> XelaG
>
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Apr 15, 2001, 7:25pm

I cancelled this b/c I lost interest.

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