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Standardisation of New Pitch (Sdk)
Standardisation of New Pitch // Sdk
Dec 21, 2002, 10:54am
For many years now we have been using the [Z](N/S) [X](E/W) [Y](A)
[YAW](Void) method of using coordinates in bots and applications, now,
because pitch is seemingly comming along I think those people in here could
do with thinkup up a new standard notation for it so we can consider using
it as the same in future bots so people dont have to learn 5 or 6 differnt
notations.
Xelagot already seems to use (t) for tilt on objects, seems a suitable
choice unless anyone has other ideas? I think theta or alpha are out of the
question because theyre not available on most standard keyboards without an
Alt Code.
- Mark
- Hey Cal, how about letting AWEDU have beta world server?
Dec 21, 2002, 11:26am
I've always considered AW's position notation to be a major pain and never
found the need to parse it into data. People want to use my stuff, they can
follow my rules ... i.e. provide explicit values for N/S, E/W Altitude, Yaw
(and now Pitch?) and not merge them into a pointless format.
Happy to create AW-esque text from a known position within the code, but my
opinion is that if someone writes a bot where a location can be entered,
give 'em 4 or 5 or 6 fields to put the actual values in.
Grims
[View Quote]"strike rapier" <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3e04648d at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> For many years now we have been using the [Z](N/S) [X](E/W) [Y](A)
> [YAW](Void) method of using coordinates in bots and applications, now,
> because pitch is seemingly comming along I think those people in here
could
> do with thinkup up a new standard notation for it so we can consider using
> it as the same in future bots so people dont have to learn 5 or 6 differnt
> notations.
>
> Xelagot already seems to use (t) for tilt on objects, seems a suitable
> choice unless anyone has other ideas? I think theta or alpha are out of
the
> question because theyre not available on most standard keyboards without
an
> Alt Code.
>
> - Mark
> - Hey Cal, how about letting AWEDU have beta world server?
>
>
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Dec 21, 2002, 2:03pm
None SDK programmers wont have a clue what SDK coordinate locations are.
- Mark
[View Quote]"grimble" <grimble2000NOSPAM at btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:3e046c1e$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I've always considered AW's position notation to be a major pain and never
> found the need to parse it into data. People want to use my stuff, they
can
> follow my rules ... i.e. provide explicit values for N/S, E/W Altitude,
Yaw
> (and now Pitch?) and not merge them into a pointless format.
>
> Happy to create AW-esque text from a known position within the code, but
my
> opinion is that if someone writes a bot where a location can be entered,
> give 'em 4 or 5 or 6 fields to put the actual values in.
>
> Grims
>
> "strike rapier" <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3e04648d at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> could
using
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> the
> an
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Dec 21, 2002, 4:13pm
Maybe not, but its not a difficult task to make the jump from "2.4N" to
entering 2.4 in the "N/S" box ... just tell them that -2.4 would mean 2.4S.
If they can't work it out from that, then they're too dangerous to be using
a computer.
Grims
[View Quote]"strike rapier" <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3e0490bf at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> None SDK programmers wont have a clue what SDK coordinate locations are.
>
> - Mark
>
> "grimble" <grimble2000NOSPAM at btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:3e046c1e$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
never
> can
> Yaw
> my
> using
> differnt
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Dec 21, 2002, 5:29pm
But you need 5 labels, 5 boxes and 5 commands for that, unless your an
awkward git using console apps. lol
- Mark
Guilty as charged
[View Quote]"grimble" <grimble2000NOSPAM at btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:3e04af34$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Maybe not, but its not a difficult task to make the jump from "2.4N" to
> entering 2.4 in the "N/S" box ... just tell them that -2.4 would mean
2.4S.
>
> If they can't work it out from that, then they're too dangerous to be
using
> a computer.
>
> Grims
>
> "strike rapier" <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3e0490bf at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> never
they
Altitude,
but
entered,
now,
here
suitable
> of
> without
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Dec 21, 2002, 9:23pm
So? If by "5 commands" you mean buttons, you can just have one that's like "Set Coordinates" or something.
-Agent1
[View Quote]strike rapier wrote:
> But you need 5 labels, 5 boxes and 5 commands for that
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Dec 21, 2002, 10:14pm
Whats easier for the main people...
-2750000 tab 1000000 tab 5000 tab 2700 tab 500 return
orrr...
2750s 1000w 5a 270 5t
[View Quote]"agent1" <agent1 at shatteredplatters.com.nospam> wrote in message
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> So? If by "5 commands" you mean buttons, you can just have one that's like
"Set Coordinates" or something.
>
> -Agent1
>
> strike rapier wrote:
>
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Dec 21, 2002, 11:09pm
[View Quote]"strike rapier" <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3e0503ee at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Whats easier for the main people...
>
> -2750000 tab 1000000 tab 5000 tab 2700 tab 500 return
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Yeah if by main people you mean crazy crackheads that like to multiply #'s and hit
the ackward tab key instead of hitting the spacebar.
--Bowen--
Dec 22, 2002, 1:51pm
Uhh... you can tell them to enter the same coordinates as they would in AW and just multiply them yourself.
-Agent1
[View Quote]strike rapier wrote:
> Whats easier for the main people...
>
> -2750000 tab 1000000 tab 5000 tab 2700 tab 500 return
> orrr...
> 2750s 1000w 5a 270 5t
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Dec 22, 2002, 4:44pm
Do you even try??
[View Quote]"bowen" <thisguyrules at 7k2.4mg.com.ANTISPAM> wrote in message
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>
> "strike rapier" <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3e0503ee at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
> Yeah if by main people you mean crazy crackheads that like to multiply #'s
and hit
> the ackward tab key instead of hitting the spacebar.
>
> --Bowen--
>
>
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Dec 22, 2002, 4:51pm
Maybe I misunderstood ... I thought you wanted opinions, and now you have
mine.
One more time, for the record ... I find the AW notation annoying, merging
location attributes into a single free text field. As Agent1 said, -2750 >
1000 > 5 > 270 > 5. It makes much more sense to me ... so I'll leave it
there.
[View Quote]"strike rapier" <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3e0503ee at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Whats easier for the main people...
>
> -2750000 tab 1000000 tab 5000 tab 2700 tab 500 return
>
> orrr...
>
> 2750s 1000w 5a 270 5t
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Dec 23, 2002, 12:26am
How about something like this?...
[world] ["+"|"-"]%Z["N"|"S"] ["+"|"-"]%X["W"|"E"] [["+"|"-"]%Y"A"] [[["+"|"-"]%PITCH ["+"|"-"]%YAW ["+"|"-"]%ROLL]|[[["+"|"-"]%PITCH] ["+"|"-"]%YAW]]
(case insensative, of course)
Where inclusion of the "N" or "S" makes the %Z (value of Z, or North) component absolute, and inclusion of the "W" or "E" makes the %X (value of X, or West) component absolute, the %Y (value of Y, or Altitude) component is relative if either or both of the %X and %Z components are relative, the %YAW is relative if preceded by a sign (+/-) and the %PITCH and %ROLL components are relative if the %YAW component is relative.
The mandatory "A" for the altitude makes it pretty easy to parse.
TechnoZeus
[View Quote]"strike rapier" <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:3e04648d at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> For many years now we have been using the [Z](N/S) [X](E/W) [Y](A)
> [YAW](Void) method of using coordinates in bots and applications, now,
> because pitch is seemingly comming along I think those people in here could
> do with thinkup up a new standard notation for it so we can consider using
> it as the same in future bots so people dont have to learn 5 or 6 differnt
> notations.
>
> Xelagot already seems to use (t) for tilt on objects, seems a suitable
> choice unless anyone has other ideas? I think theta or alpha are out of the
> question because theyre not available on most standard keyboards without an
> Alt Code.
>
> - Mark
> - Hey Cal, how about letting AWEDU have beta world server?
>
>
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Dec 23, 2002, 1:16am
[View Quote]"grimble" <grimble2000NOSPAM at btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Do you even try??
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Sure, when it's not weird.
--Bowen--
Dec 23, 2002, 8:21am
Well you stick to what you think isn't wierd, and I'll just ignore what I
think is wierd.
Bye
[View Quote]"bowen" <thisguyrules at 7k2.4mg.com.ANTISPAM> wrote in message
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>
> "grimble" <grimble2000NOSPAM at btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:3e060827$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
> Sure, when it's not weird.
>
> --Bowen--
>
>
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Dec 23, 2002, 4:44pm
Well that made practically no sence at all, care to explain.
- Mark
[View Quote]"technozeus" <TechnoZeus at techie.com> wrote in message
news:3e067439$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> How about something like this?...
>
> [world] ["+"|"-"]%Z["N"|"S"] ["+"|"-"]%X["W"|"E"] [["+"|"-"]%Y"A"]
[[["+"|"-"]%PITCH ["+"|"-"]%YAW ["+"|"-"]%ROLL]|[[["+"|"-"]%PITCH]
["+"|"-"]%YAW]]
>
> (case insensative, of course)
>
> Where inclusion of the "N" or "S" makes the %Z (value of Z, or North)
component absolute, and inclusion of the "W" or "E" makes the %X (value of
X, or West) component absolute, the %Y (value of Y, or Altitude) component
is relative if either or both of the %X and %Z components are relative, the
%YAW is relative if preceded by a sign (+/-) and the %PITCH and %ROLL
components are relative if the %YAW component is relative.
>
> The mandatory "A" for the altitude makes it pretty easy to parse.
>
> TechnoZeus
>
> "strike rapier" <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3e04648d at server1.Activeworlds.com...
could
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Dec 23, 2002, 4:44pm
Yeah, sorry took you to mean the full sdk coords :)
- Mark
[View Quote]"grimble" <grimble2000NOSPAM at btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Maybe I misunderstood ... I thought you wanted opinions, and now you have
> mine.
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Dec 23, 2002, 8:53pm
Or not to... The other half your message just apepared :o
- Mark
[View Quote]"strike rapier" <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3e075970 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Well that made practically no sence at all, care to explain.
>
> - Mark
>
> "technozeus" <TechnoZeus at techie.com> wrote in message
> news:3e067439$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> [[["+"|"-"]%PITCH ["+"|"-"]%YAW ["+"|"-"]%ROLL]|[[["+"|"-"]%PITCH]
> ["+"|"-"]%YAW]]
> component absolute, and inclusion of the "W" or "E" makes the %X (value of
> X, or West) component absolute, the %Y (value of Y, or Altitude) component
> is relative if either or both of the %X and %Z components are relative,
the
> %YAW is relative if preceded by a sign (+/-) and the %PITCH and %ROLL
> components are relative if the %YAW component is relative.
> news:3e04648d at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> could
> using
> differnt
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without
> an
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