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May 18, 2006, 9:48pm

no....that is the Ratings Board opinion as well as mine....and under 17 is
under 17...wanna be picky that means 17 yr olds are ok....LMAO

GTA 1,2,3,4 etc and all trilogies are rated 17+....M.....recent hidden sex
scenes (which the company has now admitted to having included in the
original CD and although were not, they say, meant for viewing, hacking +Hot
Coffee+ has made it possible causing an AO 18+ rating so copies are being
removed. and fixed by the company) has caused the rating to be changed to AO
(X) until a new version is released without the 'porn'. But regardless of
this 'scandal', lawsuits for deaths, lawsuits for misrepresenting to their
own company stockholders and releasing of pornography to minors due to
'hiding' etc etc whoever is right or wrong.....regardless, the game is M
rated....which by AW standards is the R rating....Advertising or running
game that is for sale as M rating, I would think the world representing it
would be rated R....or higher

Association by representation

sweets

May 18, 2006, 10:07pm

The world is currently R-rated. This is not due to the horrific project
we're running but rather the profanity that some of the people are using in
there.

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May 18, 2006, 10:15pm

LMAO welcome to real life *winks

sweets

May 19, 2006, 12:29am

[View Quote] Oh no! Lets ban kids from google incase they type in 'porn' and click on
images.

15, 16, 17 year olds completely unaware aware of sex, not downloading it
etc.. get real.

FYI the age of consent here is 16.

--
- Mark Randall
http://www.temporal-solutions.co.uk

"We're Systems and Networks..."
"It's our job to know..."

May 19, 2006, 1:10am

Same here in Aust.. Most likely because our goverment is derived from yours.

[View Quote] > FYI the age of consent here is 16.
>
> --
> - Mark Randall
> http://www.temporal-solutions.co.uk
>
> "We're Systems and Networks..."
> "It's our job to know..."
>

May 19, 2006, 1:35am

as I said, Strike..."etc etc whoever is right or wrong" in all that
scandel....regardless the game is M rated BEFORE that sex stuff....

and btw, equinox, this game was banned in australia....it is now being sold
but as 'unrated' which it seems is as bad as an X, as australia does not
have the same rating structure as others or something LOL....

I have no trouble about sex LMAO but I do have trouble with women being
dragged out of cars, killed, their money taken, police killed and their
weapons taken, prostitutes solicited (health goes up, money goes down) then
being killed to be robbed....Pedestrians being run over for money.,...sorry
but I dont think that is for kids going through puberty or before LMAO they
have enough trouble knowing right from wrong, real from fantasy...

17 is reasonable, 18 would be better, 21 would be maybe ideal -
violence-wise.....

sweets

May 19, 2006, 2:02am

Don't you mean banning this game would be ideal? I have this game here for
my PC(San Andreas version)... not withstanding the lengths the company went
to secure its copy protection(cus I can't play it most of the times I try
to), when I can play it, it seems rather free flowing... but thats what I
love so much about it... I can go anywhere(almost... until I earn a new
area) but I can also do anything I want... well almost. I found this game to
be quite a bit of fun... and the same with the past 2 as well. I will
totally love it if these guys can model a whole AW world after this
franchise. The GTA modelers have always had the challenge of creating a
world as lag free as possible for the PS as well as PC, and I think they
have done an admirable job at the same time making an immersive world. If
this group of modelers and scripters can possibly go beyond just the models
and make some action... I am not going to stand in their way, instead I will
stand on the sidelines and chear them on! Please bring AW to a new level!

May 19, 2006, 2:08am

that is not what I said

sweets

May 19, 2006, 2:36am

Thanks for the support, much appreciated. It really encourages us to strive
for the best.

In reply to Sweets, GTA:SA was banned in Australia for about two - four
weeks. It is now sold at the retailers again.

Anyhow, thanks again for the feedback all.

May 19, 2006, 3:12am

I'm not smacking you Sweets. I know you have an issue with the current
rating system. I do understand that, but I can't get my head around why. I
know by saying that, that I have the potential to have my ear talked off...
and I welcome it. This current project by these guys is to attempt to create
a facsimily of an already existing project. Call it an objective goal.
Granted, it may not be original, but if they can duplicate it in an AW
environment with its limitations, then we have something quite sweet. It
also stretches our collective imaginations and makes it possible, if not
feasible, to go beyond these goals in future projects. People, citizens,
builders, modelers only have to be shown what is possible before they start
taking leaps and stretches of imagination themselves. Sometimes it takes
someone to stetch the existing bounds in order to start a revolution. I know
AW is capable of so much more than we are doing, but I currently don't have
the vision to see what it is... I sure hope one of these guys does. And from
the video I saw, they may very well have it. Please support them.
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May 19, 2006, 7:48am

Got news for ya.

14, played GTA3 and it rocked. And do you see me bombing schools? Nope.
I keep trying to say this:

Age Does Not Matter, Maturity Is What Matters.

I'm 14, yet I don't go bombing schools after playing a slightly violent
video game - I've got more sense than that. It's not my nature to go
around killing people for the hell of it. There are some 17/18 year
olds that I would say should not be given access to these games.
However, that isn't because they are mass-murdering maniacs, it's
because they would probably find it a bit "too much" for them. I hope
you take this on board, open your mind and become not one of the
mindless sheep believing everything the media tell them.



--
LtBrenton

Games don't kill people, people kill people.

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May 19, 2006, 8:12am

it wasn't actually offically banned, they just refused to rate it, as in
australia there is no X/Adult rating for games, if i remember correctly.
Anyway, 21? that would mean even i couldn't play it. if i'm old/mature
enough to drive, drink, have sex, live alone, and control my monthly
spending, i really doubt i wouldn't be old enough for violence in a video
game. Video games do not cause people to do violent things, i don't see why
people blame it on games.
i mean, the killing and blood isn't even realistic, it's simply fun, and i
honestly still think that if someone is dumb enough to do what they see in a
game like GTA, then it's simply they're psycopathic/retarded, or/and bad
parenting, definatly not video games.
As for draggin women out of cars, well you can drag men out of cars too,
just depends on who's in the car you're jacking. Would be a little sexist if
you only drag men out of cars don't you think?
And you dont run over pedestrians for money, it's simply that when you do
run them over, you're free to take any money they have on them.

-SWE

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May 19, 2006, 9:59am

The reason why murders and such are linked to violent video games is because
lawyers use it as a scape-goat, attempting to lesser the potential charges
which their client faces.

People who don't know what they're talking about hear "murder" "violent
video games" and they use their logic and add up half the story they've been
told by the manipulating media.

May 19, 2006, 2:25pm

I believe what I see. And I saw pure violence, glorified. You are 14 and do
not know too much about life yet, Brenton.

Watching or playing a game of any kind is a form of brainwashing. It becomes
NORMAL for a very young person when they see this type of violence over and
over. It is called desensitizing.

I have seen the youth get more and more violent. Anger between themselves,
disrespect to older people, petty crimes, car jacking (run by adults using
kids as searchers). And all this violence in our youth has increased
potentially with violent video games.

I live in a city of 2 and half million people. Maybe you do not have this
trouble in your small towns, but here we have gangs. Always had gangs. And
the youth see by games like this that it is OK to be in a gang, to harm
another gang member, to kill. Afterall you are only killing scum(?)....

Killing is killing. This is no movie. You take the part, play the role, and
if you play a role long enough you WILL become the character. You may never
kill, but it will shape your personality if you are still being 'formed'.
Your attitude will change to 'fit' your character in the game.

Sorry Talisan, but I can not encourage or support ANY video games that
glorify violence. And I certainly will not encourage or support adult games
being played by young children. And this game, not only by my own opinion
but by the opinion of thousands of others including the rating board, is
Adult...or Mature....17+.....Do you think they spend time and money rating
things without thought, evidence, psychological proof?....Like we rate
things here at AW?...NO.

sweets

May 19, 2006, 3:20pm

Would you rather me play Mario Sweets?


Throwing shells at other "people" and jumping on their heads, squishing
them, "breaking their necks mabe." Maybe Super Mario World for Super
Nintendo should be rated M .. very violent that. Or how about half of
the games you grew up with, (or were introduced to in your life as they
emerged)

I see it as GTA mimicking violence in large cities, to an extreme, but
not people mimicking GTA. I like the 17+ rating on the game, but there
are some youth that are mature enough.

The rating on the game doesnt make a difference. Parents these days dont
give a crap, and just so the kid shuts up they will buy anything for
them and let them do anything. Herein lies the problem. I wont rant
about this AGAIN because I have multiple times already somewhere in the
past in these NG's.

SOCIETY SUCKS (now that i'm out of highschool, I say bring back corporal
punishment .. sorry LtBrenton)

*mumbles* cant even punish your children for misbehaving without
worrying about going to jail *mumbles*


FlyYukon .. - DaBean

May 19, 2006, 3:42pm

LMAO many many years ago I saw my brother have to ban Mario from his
home...his 6 yr old was kicking everyone, thumping his younger brother on
the head....would run in the room, kick everyone, hard, then run out....and
laughing. Scarey thing was it started being his 'temper' over time. Took
awhile to see the 'connection' as back then no one thought violence, was
just a game. The games were taken away, and his temper and violence became
'normal' for a 6 year old.....

Just a game

sweets

May 19, 2006, 4:33pm

When I was young and got mad I'd always run out, and before I knew it,
built a thriving city on land I didn't own. Simcity screwed me up, and
I'm just begining to realise the damage it caused my formative brain.

Also, I cried when I first saw wolfenstien. Killing a dog?!?! That's
horrible.

But yes, I've definately seen kids get influenced by things. Most kids
are fine, but there's always the idiot that sees ninja turtles and
starts kicking stuff (immitating the origional, not kicking with anger
at the new series). But that raises the question of if its the
influence that's the problem, or the strange disconect and ease of
influence of the child, and what that cause is. I'm going to say bad
parenting because its easy and this entire 'debate' is based on
uninformed speculation and personal experiance.

May 19, 2006, 6:18pm

Sorry, you're wrong. It has to do with the way you're raised - only
children raised by irresposible and unintelligent parents will be
allowed or inclined to mimick a cartoon or video game.

Now please, for the sake of the project, i'd like you to all forget
about this pointless arguement - maturity is much more imporant than
age. I started playing GTA at 11, and i've not carjacked anyone yet, nor
have i killed anyone. Please leave it alone and continue your comments
on the project, this is for constructive comments and criticism of the
project - not debating whether or not GTA is bad for children.



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May 19, 2006, 6:22pm

[View Quote] When I was 16 (and a half), I was living on my own and supporting myself. I
had my own phone and cable tv bills. I also became old enough to drive, and
all the responsibilities that go with that.

> i mean, the killing and blood isn't even realistic, it's simply fun, and i
> honestly still think that if someone is dumb enough to do what they see in
> a game like GTA, then it's simply they're psycopathic/retarded, or/and bad
> parenting, definatly not video games.
> As for draggin women out of cars, well you can drag men out of cars too,
> just depends on who's in the car you're jacking. Would be a little sexist
> if you only drag men out of cars don't you think?
> And you dont run over pedestrians for money, it's simply that when you do
> run them over, you're free to take any money they have on them.

I'm 43 now, and back when I was a kid there were some very violent cartoons.
There were no home computers. The cartoons had a lot of attempted murders
and horrible accidents, yet us kids would only copy them in a pretending and
funny manner. In every large group of people however, there exists a small
number who are sociopaths who would do harm whether the idea came from
something they saw portrayed or something they made up. These few
individuals would do harm no matter what. Whether it's nature or nurture
remains to be determined.


--
Scented Nectar
http://www.scentednectar.com/aw/

May 19, 2006, 6:24pm

[View Quote] > Sorry, you're wrong. It has to do with the way you're raised - only
> children raised by irresposible and unintelligent parents will be
> allowed or inclined to mimick a cartoon or video game.
>
> Now please, for the sake of the project, i'd like you to all forget
> about this pointless arguement - maturity is much more imporant than
> age. I started playing GTA at 11, and i've not carjacked anyone yet, nor
> have i killed anyone. Please leave it alone and continue your comments
> on the project, this is for constructive comments and criticism of the
> project - not debating whether or not GTA is bad for children.
>

May 19, 2006, 6:26pm

Don't be silly, in the GTA world, car doors are never locked and
starting the engine is as easy as sitting down. :D

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May 19, 2006, 11:17pm

Good discussion. Could imagine how good it would've been if the project was
Postal 2.

May 19, 2006, 11:35pm

what a post


I haven't read everything, but i dont see the diffrence between thjis and
those Gor worlds.


Just my 3 cents.


-GC
296894

May 20, 2006, 12:19am

Not sure how much people will agree with you there.

I agree sex isn't as bad as violence. But then again, I don't see video game
violence that bad at all, if handled the right way.

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May 20, 2006, 1:25am

I do not see sex or violence in games or VR to be wrong as long as the
correct age groups are permitted. This inevitably means the parents of
children taking responsibility. Some kids can take on reality sooner than
others, it is the parents ultimate choice. However, there is no parenting
book that can possibly cover all angles. As a service technician I have seen
way too many points of view on this subject. I have seen the spoiled kids
and way over protected kids. Unfortunately, even with my point of view, I
can not see any perfect answer. But, regardless, as a human being believing
in free expression and free speech, I refuse to deny someone else such
privledges. I personally believe we over protect and thus squash many
peoples inate rights as a result, in the perception that we are protecting
them against themselves. People deserve to make their own mistakes...
whether positive, negative or even lethal. As long as someone does not
directly interfere with the liberty and well being of another individual,
then I feel that they have a right to do whatever they dang well please. I
realise this has both positive and negative effects. On a world wide scale,
it has negitive effects in that it can damage an american society in
competition with other less free societies, but on the other side of the
coin it opens the ultimate avenues of expression, free thought and will.
Oddly enough, many other societies claim to be more open and accepting of
sex and violence. But since I have no experience within them, I can not
voice an opinion.

Having said all of that, I believe that GTA, as well as other violent games
should be permitted. Although I very much agree that the maturity of the
party playing the game should be considered and that this can only be
evaluated by a responsible party familiar with the individual in question
and not some law that attempts to blanket a segment of the population due
to some generic qualification.

When it comes to this particular project, I see a group of very talented
young people attempting to take an out dated 3d modeling program and
stretching it to its ultimate limits. I am 100% sure that there is no
possibility to make this 100% successful, not even with the promises of the
next generation AW browser 4.1, but I am extremely confident in the
intelligence of this team and future members to accomplish amazing wonders
with it and even to surpass many prior achievements.

May 20, 2006, 6:38am

Thanks for your views and your strong comments.

I can say on the behalf of all my team, that the words you give us
defintally promotes us to strive to bring the best out of what we do.

The team and myself are very ambitious with this project and we will make it
as much as a success as the browser will allow.

The problem we face now is not the technicalities of the browser or server,
but a world problem. We have been doing the project in a world that was
given to us, which has expired. We then made astonishing progress in a trial
world, which only has about 19 days left.

We came this far in the last ten days, so in the remaining time we hope to
get something really good to be demoed, hoping that someone will see it and
would donate to the cause.

We will take each step at a time.

Thanks for the encouragement once again.

Josh.

May 20, 2006, 1:04pm

Well, I can give you access to a P-10 if you like. Not much, but it doesn't
expire until January. Gram me if interested.

May 21, 2006, 3:27am

Gor worlds can be sex AND violence.

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May 21, 2006, 3:29am

Models ripped straight from the game? Copyright issues...

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May 21, 2006, 1:11pm

i really doubt Rockstar are going to be quick to sue over old game models.


-SWE

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