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Dec 4, 2005, 12:35pm

http://www.activeworlds.com/help/aw36/images/world_list.png

Dec 4, 2005, 12:37pm

I dont get it. It must have been recent because the 'world ratings' are on
the worlds list.

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Dec 4, 2005, 12:44pm

[View Quote] And that "screenshot" shows 12 users in Hole, even though I have 10 users limit there ;)

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Dec 4, 2005, 12:48pm

The world CASTLES has been gone for at least two years, probably more.

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Dec 4, 2005, 12:55pm

LOL Ok it's a fake then
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Dec 4, 2005, 1:20pm

[View Quote] I think Castles was still kind of around back in 2003, when that screenshot was probably taken - minus the right column ;)

By the way, I have never seen thousands of users in AW.
Here are some of the highest numbers I could find:
http://mauz.info/awpics1997/AW-19970930-8.jpg
http://mauz.info/awpics1997/Transcen-19971023-5.jpg
Those were taken with AW version 1.3, from September 1997.
In earlier builds there was no Worlds list to see the user amount in the first place.

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Dec 4, 2005, 1:21pm

How about -

"I wish AW was this way AGAIN..." ?

: )

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Dec 4, 2005, 1:26pm

The picture explains it all :D

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Dec 4, 2005, 3:28pm

Yes it been gone a while . I remember it used to be a meeting place for all
of Bells friends and also others would come and chat. There were more
people in AW I think. Does anyone really know how many active cits there
still are in AW?


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Dec 4, 2005, 3:41pm

I remember the days of 800 ~ 1000 people per day.. but not that much! :O
I wish it was that much.. :(
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Dec 4, 2005, 3:43pm

I don't see why whoever made those pages would go thru the trouble of making
a fake worlds list though.. :O
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Dec 4, 2005, 7:40pm

You will find that this picture was taking lessons off of my ego.

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of us who do"
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Dec 5, 2005, 3:26am

Bell has her own Galaxy now and a lot of the "old timers" still come there
although it's been pretty quite this past summer. But we still see
Yosemite and moonie and Sir Ron and Sir Ivan and Blaize and LadyJane and
Lady Asia and Eagle and Christopher and KayBerry and Ladychats and others.
You can download Castles at www.belladora.com
Bell has a Christmas Sale going on with her Paintings at 50% off.

Paul


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Dec 6, 2005, 2:33pm

No wonder AW is so barren... everyone has their own galaxy. ;P
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Dec 6, 2005, 3:40pm

Blame it on AWi for charging $70 for cit accounts and not allowing tourist.
That's why Bell left. She used to have tourist and cits come in Castles
all the time to chat and also to buy her paintings.
She was also responsible for a lot of tourist becoming cits.
It just became a lot more cost effective for her to buy a Galaxy.

Paul

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Jan 23, 2006, 9:58am

Ahem...

From what I know about the creation of AW Help files, the pictures weren't
always updated version to version.

That snapshot of the worlds list is probably from 3.2 or earlier ... I also
attribute a couple of factors to that gihugic user count:

1. Influx of Users from JunoDome
2. AW Cit price was about $20 a year :)

So.. what we have here is general economics. When AW charged users $20 a
year to be a citizen, many thousands populated the universe, across many
worlds, thus attracting large contracts like Juno Internet to make up the
cost difference as a corporate contract.

Something apparently went horribly wrong with the Juno contract (a falling
out) and the result was a rediculous loss of money for AW. To make up for
the crippling mistake, and recoup costs, AW raises cit prices to $70.00 per
year with a letter to their users saying something like "we're sorry, but if
we don't increase the price there will not be any other versions of AW"

Problem is... when prices were raised to recoup the costs, user counts
dropped dramatically... anyone out there who contests this look at the
difference between over 3,000 active cits and currently about 1,000 today
(tops). AW is generally making the same amount of money from their users as
they did when it was $20 a year.

And so... lesson of economics kicks in again for AW - who is doing Stage
Coach Island for Wells Fargo using 4.1 of their software. Users = Corporate
Participation = Money

Going on the current Users = Money part is a waste of time and effort.

There are better ways to recoup costs and pay bills from users other than
outright charging them.

If AW wants to prove that their software is top of the line - make it free
to the public and put the costs on corporate inclusion. Hence we will again
see numbers like those in previous years, or probably a hell of alot higher,
and more things to see and do in here (companies).

Of course... I cannot even fathom how AW managed to sell the idea of a game
oriented virtual environment to a company like Wells Fargo (a bank)... must
hae been some amazing sales pitches going on... (AW: "Of course, the use of
our software not only whitens your teeth but makes you breakfast in the
morning while printing fresh $100 Bills ...")

I dunno...

MPL Knight


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Jan 23, 2006, 10:16am

emm, i've been in aw since atleast 2.2 or 2.0, and i've never seen 3000
cits, hell, most i remember seeing was probably about 800, and even that i'm
not too sure of. i mean, if they had been having 3000 cits on at a time my
guess is that the new cit numbers would be way higher then the 350,000
numbers they are now.
my guess is that picture had a bit of retouching. so they really only need a
third of the cits they had before to be making more money then they did at
the $20, which i don't doubt they do.

On another point, AW didn't sell the idea to Wells, Linden Lab probably did,
since it was originally on the Secondlife platform.

-SWE

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Jan 23, 2006, 1:31pm

I been in AW 8 years and I do remember at least 2,800 ppl on at once every
day.

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Jan 23, 2006, 1:56pm

[View Quote] Cool, can you find a screenshot? Because I don't have such a screenshot
from between June 1995 and the registration fee in October 1997,
when the highest user counts supposedly were. Either there was no Worlds tab,
or then I cropped it from my all pics :/ This was the most I could find:
http://mauz.info/awpics1997/Transcen-19971023-5.jpg

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Jan 23, 2006, 3:06pm

Sorry no I don't have any screenshots. When I did I always cropped them too.
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Jan 23, 2006, 4:19pm

[View Quote] OK anybody else: screenshots or other proof about those thousands users online of yore?
Wouldn't mind one for my archives... I only started taking screenshots in 1997 :/

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Mauz
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Jan 25, 2006, 8:54pm

I've been here since 1998 and I can remember user counts upwards of 2,500 as
well.
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Jan 26, 2006, 3:07pm

[View Quote] Yeah I remember occasional 500-figures in 1998, even though AW was already a paysite then.
Or 600-ish during big events like Cys and Avvies. But, still, thousands, every day...?
Hacked bot users don't count either ;)

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Jan 27, 2006, 3:02pm

Maybe I'm delusional. :O
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Jan 30, 2006, 5:30am

I'm gonna go with Syntax on this so I will admit the following:

1. I am delusional as well
2. I remember a time when there were thousands of people in AW
3. Ignorance is bliss :)

So while somebody here may very well find out for sure that there never was
3000+ people in here at any given time, I will sit here contently and be
ignorant and delusional :)

Oh yeah... by the way: I'm an orange, too :)

lol

Jan 31, 2006, 1:10pm

AW is going downhill and 4.1 wont' save it. They need to backtrack and
regroup where tourists are concerned. This is not a programming problem so
there is no need to worry over backwards compatibility.

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