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Aug 18, 2005, 4:24am

So many bad modellers out there, running programs and not understanding the
basics of notepad. So many free objects that are flawed....but remember,
they are free.

What people seem to forget is that flawed or not they DO belong to the
artist. If there is a name of the maker on the notepad, free or not, that
object should never be adjusted, arranged, redone or in any way touched.

Free is free. If it is flawed then do not use it, or contact the artist for
permission to fix it. If that is not possible then scrap the object. Is that
so hard to understand. It did not cost anything.

We have a moral obligation to the artist that most seem to forget in this
society. Do you have the right to say that Picasso should have put noses
where they belong? Do you get a Picasso and rearrange the pigments to suit
you better? Maybe a bad example but I am sure you know what I mean.

Use the freebies or dont. If they are named on the notepad as done by
someone else they are NOT yours to play with. Make your own. If you do not
have imagination enough to think of new objects, give up modelling.

sweets
PS....many years ago when we loaded the chorses to our world, there was a
notepad that came with the set....stating who they were made by and that
they could not be adjusted or changed in anyway. Please respect us artists.
Even us bad artists.

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Aug 18, 2005, 6:35am

[View Quote] There are two types of free.
Are you referring to libre or gratis?

Aug 18, 2005, 6:39am

not sure those words....libre or gratis....I would call it gratuit as speak
french....
*smiles
sweets

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Aug 18, 2005, 7:04am

[View Quote] From Wikipedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gratis_versus_Libre)

Gratis versus Libre is the distinction between no cost and freedom, a
distinction not made by the word free in the English language.

This distinction is of supreme importance in dealing with information as
property.

Gratis is a term in Latin and various Romance and Germanic languages
meaning free, in the sense that one does not have to pay for some good
or service (free of charge).

Libre is a word in various Romance languages, e.g. Spanish and French
(but not Latin itself, where the spelling is līber) that denotes the
state of being free, as in "having freedom".

Aug 18, 2005, 7:30am

ummm we are talking objects here....and since inanimate objects cannot have
freedom (d'etre libre) or be in any state of being free (d'etre libre) that
one is out....and has no bearing on this thread...and since we do not speak
latin here (most of us heh) who cares really what gratis means. In english
to be free (gratuit) or to be free (libre) is still free...so why ya buggin
me? LOL thought you had some fancy new english meaning for libre LMAO
sweets

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Aug 18, 2005, 7:43am

[View Quote] Inanimate objects can't be free (libre)?
Go tell that to the open source software community :P

Here's an example. Suppose you distribute your objects under the
condition that anyone can redistribute those same objects completely
without restrictions. Those objects now have freedom.

Aug 18, 2005, 10:19am

you are going to grow up to be a lawyer or something aren't you hahaha...but
no, even in that case the 'anyone' has the freedom, its not the object that
is free to run away, marry, divorce, reproduce (ok maybe
reproduce...tech-nickly that is possible)....LOL
sweets
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Aug 18, 2005, 11:03am

[View Quote] I'm not a lawyer, nor do I intend to be.
I'm just aware of the two seperate definitions of 'free'.

Aug 18, 2005, 11:18am

Roadkill, we have the distinction in the English language also. Free is
free. If you understood the nuances of the English language, you would know
what that is but, I understand what you are saying. Thus, we have made
several alternate words in our language that "imply" free of charge but with
license still holding. Words such as "Complimentary" and "Free Trial"
..
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Aug 18, 2005, 12:43pm

[View Quote] I didn't quite understand what you just typed.

There are two distinct definitions for the word 'free' in English (If
you disagree with this then argue with the entire GNU/Linux, BSD and OSS
communities, not me).
The word 'free' without any additional information regarding the
particular type of free you are referring to is ambiguous.
I am quite sure my interpretations of words or phrases such as
'Complimentary' and 'Free Trial' are different to yours, and that makes
them inherently ambiguous.

Free != free.

Aug 18, 2005, 2:20pm

I agree with Sweets, ( If I,am Not Misunderstanding her)
Just Because it,s a Freebie,, Don,t mean a Person can redo it IN ANY Way..
gessh..
But, Like Tallan, to Take a Free Object and Redo it, NO matter How it is
redone,, is still wrong... guess it,ll be ok to Redo his Free Stuff that way
Uh?... =)


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Aug 18, 2005, 3:40pm

From Titania:

Tallan sure isn't the one to be talking about free! last nite at the
AWGate
he reminded meof when he got some things off my path without my
permision or
knowlidge. he was complaining that i called him a theif for it. well
you can
ask any one you like if you take anything from some one elses path
without
there permision weather they got it themselves free or not is stealing.
if
you want it get it yourself insted of steeling it from some one elses
object
path! ohh btw he was completly lying about me calling him a theif. we
had
been friends for about a year and i just chucked it up to possibly a
miss
understanding and just made sure he couldn't do it again and we had
still
been friends after that. Me and Tallan had our falling out when he had
been
bugging me for me to give him all my av's "free" and i wouldn't. I did
on
the other had tell him if he had his own personal object path that i
would
let him use about 6 or 8 of them. Needless to say about a month later
he
came back saying he had his own personal object path and wanted those
av's
to use. Boy was i a fool! he then turned them over to Pyro and a few
others
and thats when i told him that taking something alone had permision to
have
posesions of is the "same" as steeling" and that he no longer had my
permision to use my av's as well as who ever he gave them to. Even
weeks
later i know he still had them in his world and confronted him about
this to
wich i was permanently band from his world so i couldn't see what he
was
doing with them. Afer that i got nasty grams from Keshi because he told
her
that i said she was a theif, for the record i had neveer even herd
Keshi's
name befor for it even to be posible for me to call her a thief. Then
he or
one of his possie told my friend Fierce Ferrit that i was saying nasty
things about him. i know it is easy for some one that don't know me to
beleave something said about me but if FF was a true friend he would
have
known better. and now recently i won a gutar in bingo and contacted
Lady M
to get it from her with no reply yet. I figure he gave her some lies as
well.Tallan thinks it don't mater who's it is or how he gets it it
should be
free! I am a good person and allways have been and any good person that
has
been in AW for any length of time either knows this or is friends with
some
one that knows this. Tallan has nothing bad to say about me without
lieing
so he lie's. All because i didn't believe what i have in my object path
should be free for him to help himself to and give to who ever he
wants! If
Tallan decides to lie again and say anything i am saying is a lie i can
probide proof about anything i say :-) and Tallan i don't beleave there
is
one person with a privet object path that isn't going to think helping
yourself to there path without there permision is ok.
Not everything is free!





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Aug 18, 2005, 3:50pm

Tallan sure isn't the one to be talking about free! last nite at the AWGate
he reminded meof when he got some things off my path without my permision or
knowlidge. he was complaining that i called him a theif for it. well you can
ask any one you like if you take anything from some one elses path without
there permision weather they got it themselves free or not is stealing. if
you want it get it yourself insted of steeling it from some one elses object
path! ohh btw he was completly lying about me calling him a theif. we had
been friends for about a year and i just chucked it up to possibly a miss
understanding and just made sure he couldn't do it again and we had still
been friends after that. Me and Tallan had our falling out when he had been
bugging me for me to give him all my av's "free" and i wouldn't. I did on
the other had tell him if he had his own personal object path that i would
let him use about 6 or 8 of them. Needless to say about a month later he
came back saying he had his own personal object path and wanted those av's
to use. Boy was i a fool! he then turned them over to Pyro and a few others
and thats when i told him that taking something alone had permision to have
posesions of is the "same" as steeling" and that he no longer had my
permision to use my av's as well as who ever he gave them to. Even weeks
later i know he still had them in his world and confronted him about this to
wich i was permanently band from his world so i couldn't see what he was
doing with them. Afer that i got nasty grams from Keshi because he told her
that i said she was a theif, for the record i had neveer even herd Keshi's
name befor for it even to be posible for me to call her a thief. Then he or
one of his possie told my friend Fierce Ferrit that i was saying nasty
things about him. i know it is easy for some one that don't know me to
beleave something said about me but if FF was a true friend he would have
known better. and now recently i won a gutar in bingo and contacted Lady M
to get it from her with no reply yet. I figure he gave her some lies as
well.Tallan thinks it don't mater who's it is or how he gets it it should be
free! I am a good person and allways have been and any good person that has
been in AW for any length of time either knows this or is friends with some
one that knows this. Tallan has nothing bad to say about me without lieing
so he lie's. All because i didn't believe what i have in my object path
should be free for him to help himself to and give to who ever he wants! If
Tallan decides to lie again and say anything i am saying is a lie i can
probide proof about anything i say :-) and Tallan i don't beleave there is
one person with a privet object path that isn't going to think helping
yourself to there path without there permision is ok.
Not everything is free!

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Aug 18, 2005, 4:18pm

oops my brain was going faster then my typing. here is a correction hehehe

I told him that taking something he alone had permision to use and giving it
to others is the "same as steeling" .
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Aug 18, 2005, 5:10pm

Hi Titania,

I wasn't aware that you hadn't received your prize. It was sent to the
account we were given on July 30, but evidently had problems, something we
frequently run into with that particular company. You should receive an
email with information on collecting it now. ;o)

Best regards,
Lady M


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Aug 18, 2005, 5:57pm

For the record, he never gave me any av's. However he did at one point give
me your path info. That was long ago.


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Aug 18, 2005, 5:59pm

ok tnks Lady M :-) I wouldn't have thought anything except Tallan brought up
your name to justify taking things off my path because some was your free
terrain textures :-)

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Aug 18, 2005, 9:21pm

ohh and Goddess maybe you should have gotten your storry straight with Pyro
God.

Telegram from Pyro God, sent Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:41 PM:
I read your post in the newsgroups regarding Tallan, and I thought a few
things need clarifying. First of all, the objects path Tallan had at the
time you two were talking, he was renting from me and Pyro Goddess. Or,
should I say, he got from us for free, as he played us for the fool just as
he had everyone else. The AV's he said he sent us, was to upload for him.
The only AV we ever had in our world that you designed was the phoenix you
traded to PG, which we removed out of respect when we stopped talking.



Telegram from Pyro God, sent Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:49 PM:
And we also fell for his "gimme free avs" trick. His new path had only AW
standard avs, and since he was a friend, we gave him a few to use for his
new op, which he still uses to my knowledge. I know exactly how it feels to
be used by Tallan, I hate it that we no longer talk because of his
interference.



Pyro how could you posibly lie? Tallan was using your object path for
his world when he first droped using Talian's rental path and everyone
knows it. hmmmmm should any one beleave anything you say now? I don't
because i know better :-)

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Aug 18, 2005, 10:03pm

Man!.. Tallan Open a can of Worms Didnt, he ^_^

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Aug 18, 2005, 10:17pm

If you read what I wrote you, instead of jumping to conclusions, you'll see
I said he was renting path space from us, not using our path. Two completely
different things. Seems like you need to get your own story straight.

Aug 19, 2005, 8:01am

Maybe like Pyro Goddes did?
I don't see why we need to bicker between us when he used us all :-)
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Aug 19, 2005, 9:34pm

WOW just noticed you said AW University is giving away models too man gotta
get to their object yard and start downloading...
Where is the object yard for the freebies??? anyone???


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