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PeaceKeepers: A Modest Proposal (rant) (Community)
PeaceKeepers: A Modest Proposal (rant) // Community
May 9, 2005, 1:55am
Please, let's not fight. We both want the best for Active Worlds, so let us
all continue these discussions in a spirit of peace. Let us not take sides.
Let us discuss this under the banner of users who want the best for AW.
Now, to be honest, I think Goober's proposal is fair. And while I don't
share his belief that the PKs should be disbanded outright, it is a noble
gesture toward compromise, don't you think so? That doesn't mean of course
that we can't fiddle around with the details, though, so the PKs don't feel
constrained and the regular users have the freedom they want.
Chris
[View Quote]"Kathryn Delanuit" <me at me.com> wrote in message
news:427e2cea$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> hehe, I'm always doing that, finding typos after I click send, even when I
> proofread first, I wish there was some way to edit posts on ng's like you
> can elsewhere :)
>
> ORB wrote:
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May 9, 2005, 10:46am
awwwww... great post SW Chris, and that's very true, we all just want
what's best for AW, we may all have different views about what's the
best ways to go about it, but we really all just love the place and want
what's best for it, and yes, we should work together to reach solutions
or things than can help the place. I makes me a bit sad when I see how
much AW is in decline, but it's great to see that there are still people
around committed to helping AW and keeping it alive :)
[View Quote]SW Chris wrote:
> Please, let's not fight. We both want the best for Active Worlds, so let us
> all continue these discussions in a spirit of peace. Let us not take sides.
> Let us discuss this under the banner of users who want the best for AW.
>
> Now, to be honest, I think Goober's proposal is fair. And while I don't
> share his belief that the PKs should be disbanded outright, it is a noble
> gesture toward compromise, don't you think so? That doesn't mean of course
> that we can't fiddle around with the details, though, so the PKs don't feel
> constrained and the regular users have the freedom they want.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> "Kathryn Delanuit" <me at me.com> wrote in message
> news:427e2cea$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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>
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May 9, 2005, 3:13pm
ROFL - The Peacekeepers "mission" was misguided fromt he beginning. Some
of us attempted to guide it into a vessel that would help the community,
but no matter how hard we tried, it jsut turned into a virtual world
gestapo. It was directly responsible for the destruction of the
Yellowstone community, and there is nothing today hat resembles the
things that we had hoped to set out for the future of AW left in it. It
consists of power freaks, and the those embeded with that horrible
malady that seems to be afflicting so many of american persuation - a
loathsome right wing, "christian" based attitude (and not to rag on
christians, but those with half a brain can understand what I mean by that).
I have a lot of chat logs from back when we were setting up the PK's -
back when some of us were TRYING to make it into something that wasnt
just Razzle and m0es plaything back then. It was a power struggle, and
we got ignored - and now, look what it has wraught? AW is not the
community it once was. It hasnt died, but it is not what it could have
been, nor, without major change, will it ever reclaim its fallen glory.
The place used to be crowded, and now, it is often a ghost town.
Believe me when I say this - but the best bet for AW to ever, ever get
back to whereit was, is to completely overhaul its user system, to
abolish the PK's and GK's and put something else in place - the
"community" policing ideal that was brought forth so many years ago has
shown itself to be a complete, and absolute failure to a horrible
degree. From me, who was one of the first 16 GK's, and one of the very
first PKs, it makes me very, very sad, to see the part that these
"helpers" have played in the communities rot. I ven went and worked at
AW, and in my own way tried to see what I could do from "the inside" -
look at that...I offered suggestions for things that could be done and
did what i could when i could..but...
It wasnt supposed to be like this. It wasnt supposed to be anything,
like this.
I lament and yearn for the AW of old, because what is left now, is
barely a shadow of what it once was, and what it could have been - those
who are left from back then, know what I am talkinga bout. They know,
what I mean - those of you who never knew that world, will probably say
"what are you talkinga bout, we have a community!" - but oh, oh...if
only, if only you really knew what you have lost =/
Fletch aka Facter.
[View Quote]goober king wrote:
> For those of you who don't spend any time at GZ, this probably doesn't
> affect you, but humor me for a while:
>
> For those of you who don't know me, my name is Goober King, and I hate
> PeaceKeepers (PKs). If they were to all jump into a huge terrain hole
> and never be seen again, I would be the happiest man on the planet. I
> have hated them since the day Razzle conceived the idea all those years
> ago. I have always seen them as a threat to individual free speech and
> the community as a whole, and they have never ceased in proving me right.
>
> Just the latest example: A tourist with an Aussie accent a mile wide
> wanders into GZ and starts asking questions, which I happily answer for
> him. I even regale him with the benefits of being a citizen, being a
> good AW doobie, and have him nearly convinced to register. Suddenly, out
> of nowhere, the PK on duty starts whispering to him, repeatedly
> reminding him about guidelines, claiming he had broken them and was
> being disruptive. After the tourist asked numerous times exactly what
> rule he had broken and not getting a satisfactory answer, the tourist
> promptly exclaimed that he doesn't want to register in a place that "is
> so anal" and disappears, effectively robbing AWI of another potential
> customer. And what was his supposedly disruptive act, you may ask?
> Naming himself "Ted Bundy".
>
> Now, having said all that, I can understand why Razzle organized them in
> the first place. There needs to be some semblance of authority in a
> place such as this, otherwise you wind up with anarchy, which I'm sure
> AWI has no desire of seeing in its public worlds. However, there is a
> fine line between maintaining order and creating disorder, and some
> PeaceKeepers, through their vast incompetence, have shown that they have
> no qualms with crossing that line whatsoever.
>
> So how are we to solve this problem? Some say that if you don't like it,
> go somewhere else. Unfortunately, AW folks are creatures of habit, and
> telling them to vacate a place they've idled in for years just because
> some hotshot with bolds is causing a ruckus doesn't tend to sit well
> with them. As a DJ for AWRadio, I must go where the people are, and as a
> result of these tendencies, that place is, and always will be, GZ.
>
> Instead, I have a modest proposal for the PK brass. Since getting rid of
> the PK organization as a whole is out of the question, as well as
> keeping things the way they are, some middle ground must be found. That
> middle ground can be found in the form of the PK bot.
>
> For those who may not be aware, when a PK goes on duty, they bring a bot
> along with them to record chat and perform various other security
> functions. My proposal involves changing a feature of this bot that will
> not only make the PKs lives easier, but also for the rest of us who have
> to put up with them.
>
> Currently, the bot has a feature that notifies a PK whenever a watchword
> is said in chat, such as "hacking". I propose changing this feature so
> that it only searches for one phrase, such as "PK Help". When someone
> says this phrase, or whispers it to the bot, the bot application running
> on the PK's local machine will fire off an alert message that will pop
> up in the PK's face, showing who said the magic words and where they are
> located. This allows the PK to then teleport to the location in question
> and settle whatever dispute the person may have. It could even
> theoretically be expanded to global status, so that if someone says it
> anywhere in the world, the PK could come to the rescue.
>
> This feature provides several obvious benefits. First, it allows the PK
> free reign to do whatever they want without wasting time idling in GZ. I
> can't tell you how many times I've seen things happen at GZ that should
> require a PK's attention, only to discover he/she was idling because
> they were web surfing or watching TV. Secondly, it gives the rest of us
> a reprieve from the more conservative PKs oppressive interpretations of
> the guidelines, and allows us to converse in peace. Thirdly, it allows
> for self-policing. One thing that some PKs can't seem to understand is
> that most of us are big boys and girls and can take care of ourselves
> with Mute and Blocking Telegrams. This system will allow us to handle
> tamer situations ourselves, and reserving the PK's effort for more
> pressing circumstances. It's a win-win!
>
> So please, let me know what you think of this idea. I'll be sending it
> off to the PKs in about a week, so feel free to poke holes in it. I
> figure if there's enough support for it, I'll also send it off to AWI
> and see if they can do anything to help implement this idea.
>
> We now return you to your regularly scheduled newsgroup.
>
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May 9, 2005, 3:49pm
oooh do I remember and still mourn deeply the death of Yellow. I agree 100%
with what you said, Facter. There was real magic then.
Some called us bad, some called us fun, some became friends for life.
The decline of AW started yes with the price hike, but it also died when
they stopped tourist access (and made worlds pay for the 'honour'). It says
a lot about the system when Yellowstone National Park no longer allows
tourists. Kind of hmmm undiplomatic? LOL
I raise my wine glass to the old times, the magic of AW and the good time we
all had. I hope that some of that magic can come back, and maybe it can it
people would relax a bit and not have so many rules heh
sweets
[View Quote]"facter" <invurt at hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:427f8c39 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> ROFL - The Peacekeepers "mission" was misguided fromt he beginning. Some
> of us attempted to guide it into a vessel that would help the community,
> but no matter how hard we tried, it jsut turned into a virtual world
> gestapo. It was directly responsible for the destruction of the
> Yellowstone community, and there is nothing today hat resembles the things
> that we had hoped to set out for the future of AW left in it. It consists
> of power freaks, and the those embeded with that horrible malady that
> seems to be afflicting so many of american persuation - a loathsome right
> wing, "christian" based attitude (and not to rag on christians, but those
> with half a brain can understand what I mean by that).
>
> I have a lot of chat logs from back when we were setting up the PK's -
> back when some of us were TRYING to make it into something that wasnt just
> Razzle and m0es plaything back then. It was a power struggle, and we got
> ignored - and now, look what it has wraught? AW is not the community it
> once was. It hasnt died, but it is not what it could have been, nor,
> without major change, will it ever reclaim its fallen glory. The place
> used to be crowded, and now, it is often a ghost town.
>
> Believe me when I say this - but the best bet for AW to ever, ever get
> back to whereit was, is to completely overhaul its user system, to abolish
> the PK's and GK's and put something else in place - the "community"
> policing ideal that was brought forth so many years ago has shown itself
> to be a complete, and absolute failure to a horrible degree. From me, who
> was one of the first 16 GK's, and one of the very first PKs, it makes me
> very, very sad, to see the part that these "helpers" have played in the
> communities rot. I ven went and worked at AW, and in my own way tried to
> see what I could do from "the inside" - look at that...I offered
> suggestions for things that could be done and did what i could when i
> could..but...
>
> It wasnt supposed to be like this. It wasnt supposed to be anything, like
> this.
>
>
> I lament and yearn for the AW of old, because what is left now, is barely
> a shadow of what it once was, and what it could have been - those who are
> left from back then, know what I am talkinga bout. They know, what I
> mean - those of you who never knew that world, will probably say "what are
> you talkinga bout, we have a community!" - but oh, oh...if only, if only
> you really knew what you have lost =/
>
> Fletch aka Facter.
>
> goober king wrote:
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May 9, 2005, 4:58pm
Hear hear. Let's remember the old times, but let's make the best of what we
got and try to make it better. Even if it wasn't what we were expecting.
Coming to the reunion in Boston, Fac?
Chris
May 10, 2005, 12:33pm
ALOT of the time, however, it is a tourist who needs a PK. But the tourists
do not have telegram capability and depending on the time of day/night,
cannot find any cits around to help them with this, unless they go to the
Gate area, where I have noticed quite a LOT of citizens just parked there or
just totally ignoring the tourists who ask for help. As long as a bot
wouldn't be monitoring ALL of private conversations/vocabulary, I see NO
problem with having a universal bot responding to certain words or phrases
such as "PK Help". ;-")
[View Quote]"SW Chris" <chrisw at ksu.edu> wrote in message
news:427dc20e at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> If someone needed a PK, they would gram the PK. Couldn't have said it
> better myself. Perhaps you see Goober's point after all.
>
>
> Chris
>
> "Kathryn Delanuit" <me at me.com> wrote in message
> news:427d8bbc at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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>
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May 10, 2005, 12:48pm
the PK 'duty' sign is bot driven ... if it says PK##, then no PK has started
their 'duty' bot.
[View Quote]Gnu32 wrote:
> It needs to be moved to GZ and be powered by a bot so the PK's dont have
> to manually edit it (Which 90% of the time they forget)
>
> Tart Sugar wrote:
>
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May 10, 2005, 1:29pm
You know,
After working in AWTeen for 4 years, monitoring most the GZ's via 'methods'
etc its very rarley a tourist that needs help, as long as they know 'OMG
someones deleting my box house!' isnt grounds for eject.
Ive sat, watching 2 or 3 GZ's at once... and calling a PK / GK / CT as
required... AWI hosting a global bot that simply detects 'PK Help' and
notifies the PK of the coordinates would be fine.
--
- Mark Randall
http://zetech.swehli.com
[View Quote]"Lioness.." <nobody at nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:4280b837 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> ALOT of the time, however, it is a tourist who needs a PK. But the
> tourists do not have telegram capability and depending on the time of
> day/night, cannot find any cits around to help them with this, unless they
> go to the Gate area, where I have noticed quite a LOT of citizens just
> parked there or just totally ignoring the tourists who ask for help. As
> long as a bot wouldn't be monitoring ALL of private
> conversations/vocabulary, I see NO problem with having a universal bot
> responding to certain words or phrases such as "PK Help". ;-")
>
>
> "SW Chris" <chrisw at ksu.edu> wrote in message
> news:427dc20e at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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May 10, 2005, 1:46pm
Then what AW can do is host a bot like customs aide (Or edit customs
aide) that works with the PK's so we don't have to rely on the PK's to
start their bots
[View Quote]m0e wrote:
> the PK 'duty' sign is bot driven ... if it says PK##, then no PK has
> started their 'duty' bot.
>
>
>
> Gnu32 wrote:
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May 10, 2005, 3:28pm
Hey Facter good to see you around:)))))) And just reading your post makes me go
back to the old times...... Thanks for the memories:)))))
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> Hear hear. Let's remember the old times, but let's make the best of what we
> got and try to make it better. Even if it wasn't what we were expecting.
> Coming to the reunion in Boston, Fac?
>
> Chris
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