AWTeen Ejection (Community)

AWTeen Ejection // Community

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josh

Nov 22, 2004, 11:05pm
I'd just like to express my concern with what's happening in AWTeen lately.
It just seems to me that the people in charge aren't actually doing their
job. Most of the core members are never online, and the ones that ARE
online, are useless and just throw their "power" around. Take Allen Iverson
for example, I was merely having an average conversation with CodeX and then
I'm randomly ejected. I have posted the logs below:



Code X: lol remember AB contest?

Josh: mmm

Code X: AWU

Code X: ?

Josh: yea O_O

Code X: lol

Immigration Officer: You have been ejected from awteen



It was totally random, there was a PK there and everything; I didn't receive
any warnings of any kind, it was totally out of the blue. THEN, I receive
these telegrams:



Telegram from Allen Iverson., sent Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:52 PM:

The reason you were ejected is, because PK's have had to be called for you,
for 3 days in a row. PK Ejected you yesterday, for your harrassings. Until
you can calm down and abide by the guidelines you are ejected. This came on
a recomendation by the PK's and others.



"Until you calm down and abide by the guidelines you are ejected." - that is
unbelievably vague, I'm guessing that once I "calm down" then magically the
ejection will disappear? I had to get ALaskanShadow to ask him what he meant
by that unclear statement.



Telegram from Allen Iverson., sent Tue Nov 23, 2004 12:00 AM:

anywhere from 1 day to 1 week



What the heck is that supposed to mean? I then remotely connected to my Dad'
s computer and managed to get into awteen as a tourist.



[Customs Aide]: Welcome, "Josh". For the Conduct Guidelines
please say World Rules or see
http://www.activeworlds.com/community/conduct.asp

Demeter: Terrain features are ONLINE; say 'd:begin' to edit terrain

"Josh": O_O at the ejection

"Wolff": I forgot that this is a G world and that word is not
accepted

"Wolff": even if I was talking bout a song

"Wolff": LMFAO Josh Y U a tourist?

"Josh": :P me got banned from awteen for 1 week

"Wolff": LMFAO

"Wolff": ROFL

"Wolff": Now what did U do?

Immigration Officer: You have been ejected from awteen



Hmm, again an unjust ejection, for all they know I could have been a random
guy called "Josh" talking about being ejected from a different world, or
universe altogether.



Apparently I have been ejected because, "PK's have had to be called for you,
for 3 days in a row"; okay, so PKs were called. but for what? The only thing
I have been doing in AWTeen is chatting. However, on Sunday spyder and I
logged in as "Jasons guy" and "Jasons gal" and we have been doing it up
until now (obviously I can't anymore since I cannot even enter AWTeen). Is
confusing someone seen as harassment? I don't think so. There is no reason
to eject someone for having a little fun. Also, we were both following
citizen's avatars around - this is only irritating for the person, they aren
't being harassed which is what the AWTeen CTs seem to think it is. I even
asked a PK whether following an avatar around is classed as harassment and
they told me it's not an offence to eject for.



There was a PK in AWTeen GZ today when I was ejected. I asked her why I was
kicked out and all I got was, "I guess AWTeen staff has decided that you
needed to be ejected"; seems to me that some "powerful" people abuse their
power, and like to eject people because they can.

swe

Nov 22, 2004, 11:12pm
hmm, i have to agree, that eject was unjust O_O shouldn't eject people for
messing around, it's awteen after all, teens are ment to screw around, gotta
learn to take things lightly in there, and relax..
definatlly shouldn't eject someone for something he's already done, and been
ejected for, just like you can't put someone in jail for longer, after
they've already served thier time.

-SWE

josh

Nov 22, 2004, 11:15pm
yeah... I'd just like to remind everyone of, "This came on a recomendation
by the PK's and others."

what others? and since when is it okay to ban someone from a world just
because a PK recommends it?


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the j0k3r ss

Nov 22, 2004, 11:17pm
who are "the others" and its a ban for aweek or longer then ?

josh

Nov 22, 2004, 11:18pm
I have no idea, I'm guessing "the others" are Ashley, since she seems to
suck up to every member of the CT with her fake personality and stuff, and
for some reason they buy it. At least when Chanty was in charge she could
tell the fakers from the genuine people...

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alaskanshadow

Nov 22, 2004, 11:19pm
I don't agree with your ejection either. The conversation before the log you
provided was a bit questionable, but if that was their reason for ejecting,
why did they wait until after the fact when the situation was over with and
conversation was moved to a more appropriate topic? I also agree when you
mention them ejecting for things that are merely 'irritating' not so much
harassment. I'm curious if they even send in eject logs when they do this?
So if a questionable eject like this happens they can give a valid and
accurate response as to why it occurred?

[View Quote] > asked a PK whether following an avatar around is classed as harassment and
> they told me it's not an offence to eject for.
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> There was a PK in AWTeen GZ today when I was ejected. I asked her why I
was
> kicked out and all I got was, "I guess AWTeen staff has decided that you
> needed to be ejected"; seems to me that some "powerful" people abuse their
> power, and like to eject people because they can.
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josh

Nov 22, 2004, 11:31pm
Yeah, I don't understand why I was ejected. You can't just ban someone from
a world without talking to them about it first, you've also gotta give them
some warnings at least, I got nothing ;_;

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matt888

Nov 22, 2004, 11:52pm
oh my god >_< stupid awteen! gese you eject-happy caretakers throwing your
power around and bugging Josh! you should be thanking him! he builds in
awteen and is dam good at it too! just because teens like to have fun
doesn't mean they need to be ejected? perhaps allen should step down as CT
if hes going to act like somebody's mother being all over-dramatic about
this and that. the reason awteen is here is so teens can feel relaxed and
feel like they have a little place to call their "own" but if you treat us
like we're just a bunch of in-mature brats how does that differ from hanging
out with a bunch of AW veterins talking about hoozle wazzle and wishy wash.
perhaps if we're going to eject people for "recomendations" then we should
call it AWYoungChildNotExposedToCoarseLaunguage
In my opinion, if Customs Aide doesn't have a problem with it, then I dont
have a problem with it.
-Matt888 (#352884)

alexthemartian

Nov 22, 2004, 11:59pm
[View Quote] excuse me? er are eject-hppy??? by the way i wasnt arround when this
happened.. but if you were ejected there must be a reason.

alexthemartian

Nov 22, 2004, 11:59pm
by "you" i was referring to Josh

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ryan

Nov 23, 2004, 12:21am
You ought to e-mail abuse at activeworlds.com or contact Netwire (go up the
chain of command I'd say) before you start posting in here.

However, I might as well throw some commentary around... as AWNewbie CT
I have had to make many difficult decisions regarding ejects and banning
...and it's never an easy or pleasant thing to do.

On your first eject - I agree that was unjustified, based on what you
have said here. You should never be ejected or banned unless you are
caught in the middle of doing something worthy of being ejected OR if
you enter a world during time when you're supposed to be ejected. Like I
said, you ought to talk to Netwire and see if you can't resolve this
before bringing it to the public ..at least give them a chance to
investigate and do something about it. These sort of posts don't really
help anyone and are only nescessary in my opinion if the people in
charge don't fairly investigate and discuss with you what took place. If
you DID talk to Netwire and he didn't help you resolve the case, then
just ignore my ramblings :)

As for your second eject while on tourist, they probably checked IP
addresses and from that knew it was you. In that case, based simply on
the fact that you were supposed to be ejected, that's not unfair since
you were technically circumventing an eject.

In any case, if you have reservations over the leadership of AWTeen,
perhaps the best thing to do is simply not go there (or avoid the GZ
area at least). I'm sure though that Allen and others will be fair with
you if you approach them maturely and with a positive attitude and try
to get a resolution to situations like these.

Ryan

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sw comit

Nov 23, 2004, 3:58am
I think the whole point of this thread was because there wasn't a reason :P

> excuse me? er are eject-hppy??? by the way i wasnt arround when this
> happened.. but if you were ejected there must be a reason.

elyk

Nov 23, 2004, 6:26am
and if there was a reason, it should be logged and sent to all of the
caretakers of a world, so for one, no CT would be left in the dark as to
why an eject was issued and also, in a case like this, where there is a
complaint, the caretakers will have info to present and back themselves
up as to why a person was ejected.

[View Quote] > I think the whole point of this thread was because there wasn't a reason :P
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strike rapier

Nov 23, 2004, 2:44pm
[View Quote] Oh dear... LOL

josh

Nov 23, 2004, 4:03pm
It's really harsh to ban me for 1 week, especially since I helped make the
new GZ

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jerme

Nov 23, 2004, 7:40pm
Since none of the other AWTeen CTs have commented on this, I'll go ahead
and throw a few comments out regarding this matter....

First, I wasn't the one who ejected you, so I don't presume to say
whether this was a "just" or "unjust" ejection.

However, I will say that I have received multiple complaints regarding
harassment from at least two individuals. I would also venture to say
that from my observations at ground zero over the past week, you had
made yourself out to be a general nuisance. Admittedly, that is not a
valid reason for an ejection, but I'd say it's probably the straw that
broke the camel's back.

Judging from the complaints and the "following avatars around"
(borderline harassment), I would reason that some questionable chat was
enough to warrant an eject.

But, I do not have all the facts and I wasn't there... Thus, I cannot
conclusively say whether your ejection was reasonable or not.

However, I would say that this (posting in a public ng) is hardly the
way to go about questioning your ejection. For future reference (for you
and anyone else), the best way is to start by contacting one of the
AWTeen CT directly by e-mail/telegram first.

Regards,
JerMe


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ryan

Nov 23, 2004, 9:45pm
If you do not give him the chance to address your complaint, then you
really shouldn't complain about it ..regardless of his track record
...you have to go through the proper channels first ..proper channels
ignore you ..then take it to the "streets" so to speak.

Ryan

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bowen

Nov 24, 2004, 12:41am
[View Quote] As long as it falls under chat that would be allowable in a normal
teenage discussion, I don't think it would warrent an ejection. As long
as it doesn't get too far from the point and is unstructured, there is
very little that should be ejected for. If someone bothers you, use
mute, not eject. Simple as that.

spyder

Nov 24, 2004, 2:07pm
As much as following an avatar around, or playing around with those silly
tourists, this all appears to be teen behavior. And where is it happening?
AWTeen. My knowledge of the people who reside in the AWTeen core is very
limited, but I would believe they are teens too. If this is viewed as an
event that requires an ejection, input it into the CA. As weird as these
ejections were, I do believe there was a reason behind them, but it should
at least be clarified to the ejectee. Josh posted here because he was
confused. So would anybody else if they were ejected without knowing the
reason.
"Until you can calm down and abide by the guidelines you are ejected. This
came on a recomendation by the PK's and others."
I find that as a qualified ejection, only if he's caught doing something
wrong again. If you decided to eject him WHILE he was touristing around as
"Johns Gal" or so, he would have a better understanding of why he just got
the ejection. What happened is as if you recieved a ticket for speeding last
week. Absurd.

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