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Jul 25, 2004, 1:51am

I have always tried to see human beings as having the same
full-fledged rights as other human beings. Laws differ from place to
place, I leave that to the lawmakers. But in a discussion like this,
green, yellow or red cards have no place: freedom of speech is not a
USA right, it is a universal right, often denied.

Laws and regulations are needed, surely, including green cards. But
does one realise that, in fact, the USA is populated by invadors from
Europe, and forcefully migrated populations from Africa, and people
searching refuge? And that, in most cases, to the detriment of the
people that lived in the land before these invasions? So who has
green card? Don't all people living in USA now, whatever their origin
or status, have the right to be respected? Or must one be
USA-certified before receiving a human birth right? Seems so :(

Alex

On 24 Jul 2004 22:34:44 -0400, "carolann" <carolannh at charter.not>
[View Quote] >Andras, about that bet- I know you weren't speaking to me, but when you
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>(How is this so? He certainly is welcome to live here and air his views in
>the proper forum, but if he wants an full-fledged part of it, he must pay
>taxes and become a citizen, just like anywhere else. Then I also think he
>should vote, and should encourage others to, in another forum where people
>are looking for wisdom of this kind. If he already became a citizen when I
>wasn't looking, I humbly apologize to him and welcome him again, and -out of
>AW- will join him (in spirit) in trying to make things better) But my main
>point was about your bet-
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>of the population!
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>Did you mean OUR country (USA) or your country? If you meant USA, can I take
>that bet? The request is no reflection on Hu at all, what he does for this
>or any other country is his own business, but I am so certain you are
>incorrect that I am willing to "risk" the challenge. (As long as you mean
>members of the population old enough to walk, talk, and make it to the
>bathroom on their own.)
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>And while I'm on the subject of that group of people, were you comparing the
>most highly skilled immigrants to the "least" Americans among us (every
>society has them, you know) when you said:
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>well educated engineers, doctors, teachers, etc? Did you ever check the
>requirements for an immigrant visa (sorry, it is called now permanent
>residency :)?
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>head :( I wouldn't talk about the teens that can't read and write even
>after a college graduation.
>I witnessed once when the electricity was out that the cashier burst in
>tears because she couldn't calculate the change from a $10 bill for a $8.47
>bill (she was 19 years old as she told)
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>Wouldn't it be more fair to compare our homegrown highly skilled with highly
>skilled immigrants, and then compare the opposites, such as:
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>with the 20+ year olds that cannot compute figures in their heads? (Keeping
>in mind, again, that every society has them.)
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>As far as the most valuable immigrants to us and the strict immigration
>standards we have, I believe it is similar to the standards most countries
>set. Should we not invite skilled practitioners into our society as long we
>also allow and accommodate those who need more than they can return? Should
>we welcome immigrants who come simply for the medical care, but then not
>recognize the value of the immigrant doctors who heal them? Should we
>welcome the oppressed, poor, homeless, fugitives, but not openly encourage
>those others to come who would add their expertise to make this a better
>place for the needier group?
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>And what about the issue of our president, and the upcoming elections when
>someone stated that the voters, not Hu, would decide? (As if it needed any
>explanation) You said:
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>Do you already know what we will decide? Yes? Then please let us in on it.
>No? Then why do you act as if we aren't acting fast enough for you? If you,
>Hu, or whoever else wants to have a particular outcome, become a citizen
>like I'd have to do to vote in your country. Don't try to alienate those who
>WILL decide by implying they are all too stupid or incompetent to make a
>rational decision. Do you know a country that has not had pitfalls,
>downfalls, pratfalls or less than ideal moments in its history? Then send me
>a brochure, I have a vacation coming up.
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>Most sincerely,
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>CarolAnn
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