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May 6, 2004, 8:22pm

where were you when we all tried to rid AW of a known porn freak?? sure
could have used a lil support then alas nothing was done not to blame
anyone but there were a lot of ppl who sent proof from newspapers to AW and
still nothing was done sigh where does that leave us? and I see the
GOR worlds are still in AW and bout the only thing that's growing in
number????

May 6, 2004, 8:43pm

This should have been a reply to an older thread, not a new post. Gor is
*not* synonymous with pornography. I host Gor worlds and not all of them
have an adult theme with pictures of naked people scattered everywhere.

While I don't practice Gor (far from it), I respect Gor worlds. Worlds
have content ratings for a reason and most Gor worlds have an age check
bot/script when you enter (yes, I know you can get by these, but at
least the world owners try).

Builderz
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May 6, 2004, 9:25pm

"linn" <ironhead at digitalpassage.com> kirjoitti viestiss
news:409abaa5 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> where were you when we all tried to rid AW of a known porn freak?? sure
> could have used a lil support then alas nothing was done not to
blame
> anyone but there were a lot of ppl who sent proof from newspapers to AW
and
> still nothing was done sigh where does that leave us? and I see the
> GOR worlds are still in AW and bout the only thing that's growing in
> number????
>
>

*sigh*
Gor worlds are adult worlds. They do not try to cover up the potential
exposure of sex. If you choose to go there you know what to expect, right?
The welcome message often tells about it beeing an adult world, so does many
signs.

Those who try to abuse children do not hang around in worlds like that, but
much more likely where you would not expect them, in worlds with possible
low ratings.

What is wrong with beeing a pornfreak, as long as you do not do anything
illegal? hate to break this to you, but without sexuality there would not be
any human beeings on the earth, not even you. If you have tried to get rid
of someone who has commited something illegal, that is different, but trying
to get rid of a porn freak sounds racistic; what next jews and negros?(
maybe you could try to be a bit more specific in your accusitions?).

Drac

May 6, 2004, 9:27pm

Hi linn,

Are you speaking of what happened with Slave Master John Edward Robinson Sr.
? (S&M GOR cyber serial killer) 7 women, a teenager, and a baby disappeared
after being lured into his clutches: Kansas City Star and Olathe Daily News
and the Associated Press.

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May 7, 2004, 12:04am

> but at least the world owners try

What a pathetic attempt.

-J

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jeremy Booker - Owner / Webmaster
JTech Web Systems
www.JTechWebSystems.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about
itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." -Mathew 5:34




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May 7, 2004, 1:49am

no I wasn't .sharon but good point and for those of you who had rather
attack ME instead of the problem im not listening LOL



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May 7, 2004, 1:54am

How else would you handle it, JerMe? Your thoughts?

Builderz
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May 7, 2004, 3:27am

I think that there should be a gor universe. awi should separate the two, I
don't think its fair to us, to be subjected to it, I know some world owners
of gor worlds are very nice, and some are legit building worlds where people
talk about adult topics, but there should be an Adult uni. just to keep it
off the main servers. its sad when at nighttime you look at the worlds list
aw on top awteen near the bottom and in-between 50 gor worlds.

I mean they should all team up together and buy a uni if awi wont provide
one...

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May 7, 2004, 3:30am

very well said but there is still the problem of certain worlds and ppl
doing things that are against the law this should be better looked at
we cant do much about it without the proper legal help

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May 7, 2004, 5:07am

> I think that there should be a gor universe. awi should separate the two,
I
> don't think its fair to us, to be subjected to it, I know some world
owners
> of gor worlds are very nice, and some are legit building worlds where
people
> talk about adult topics, but there should be an Adult uni. just to keep it
> off the main servers. its sad when at nighttime you look at the worlds
list
> aw on top awteen near the bottom and in-between 50 gor worlds.


/* engage extreme sarcasm */
And should we be getting rid of the Christians too? Why should we be
subjected to them staying off on their own? I mean really, there are a few
nice ones who own very preaty worlds, but I don't want to have to ever be
next to one! They might even be popular! And what about those stupid
Americans? They should just go buy a universe of their own if AWI won't
banish them off to their own corner. It's so sad when you look at the world
list at night and most of the top worlds are owned by white people...
/* disengage extreme sarcasm */

> I mean they should all team up together and buy a uni if awi wont provide
> one...

As the ones interested in segration, perhaps those who don't want to see
anything beyond a PG level should found their own universe? That way they
would have absolute control over their own worlds, and can harden their
walls against anything not like themselves.

May 7, 2004, 6:58am

Let's consider they would and let us consider they have 4 worlds of P100
- here a calculation over 5 years:

In AW, 4 worlds with 20 citizens each would be 4*1150$ = 4600$ per year
= 23000$ in 5 years. Let's further say they got 200 citizens who pay
each 70$ per year = 200*70*5 = 70000$, altogether = 93000$ total
expenses (citizens+world owners).

A universe of the same size as 4 worlds of P100 would be 62000$ plus a
yearly update fee of 25000, thus in 5 years it would be = 162000$ (plus
the costs of running an own uniserver) total expenses.

As we can see, even in this calculation, the ends would not meet - let
alone that there are probably more than just 5 worlds (or more
precisely: more than the combined size of 5*P100), which would open the
gap even more.

A universe will only "pay off" when you got a huge number of citizens
AND a small combined world size - when you either have a small number of
citizens OR a big combined worlds size, staying with AW is much less
expensive.

A viable solution would be when AW opens up an Adult Universe with the
same world and citizen fees - in this case, adult worlds could migrate
to the adult universe.


On the other hand - I fail to see the problem, still, after following
discussions for so many years. Every browser has a teleport button with
which you can leave worlds not suited, and moreover, each computer has a
"off" button with which you can immediately stop any indecent influence
on you.

And children, well they should not sit in front of the computer
unattended, HOWEVER - there is nobody out there who really believes
that 1) children are not exposed to any "indecency" (which is defined
in each culture and nation differently anyway) in their daily life or 2)
children become "spoiled" by seeing a naked breast or hearing a bad
word (a) in fact, I never have heard in any country so many swear words
even in normal conversations as in the USA and (b) in Europe, each child
sees nude persons everyday on magazines in the stores or on TV at family
times on family stations, and still, the teenage pregnancy in Europe is
significantly lower than for example in the USA, same for criminal acts
of children and teenagers (and the country with the biggest porn
industry and output of porn videos is ... the US, while at the same
time, a peeking Jackson-breast is close to a national catastrophy.
Especially in the USA, I have a problem to understand why the
broadcasting of how to unnaturally end a life (murder, war) is fine
while the natural creation and existance of life (sex, nudity) is bad...

In conclusion, this issue is not a problem of indecent content (what a
wishful thinking - I do not see it so it doesn't exist?), it is an issue
of education, common sense and life/society environment - and all of
those cannot be corrected or even lead by rating symbols, beep sounds,
white and blacklists or witchhunt-style discussions, but only by
tolerance, explanation and demonstration, coupled with the basic ability
how to operate a human brain.




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May 7, 2004, 10:47am

Personally I think there should be a republican/ narrowminded uni so other
people would not have to listen to this crap all the time.

Drac
"c p" <chris101d at comcast.net> kirjoitti viestiss
news:409b1e46$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I think that there should be a gor universe. awi should separate the two,
I
> don't think its fair to us, to be subjected to it, I know some world
owners
> of gor worlds are very nice, and some are legit building worlds where
people
> talk about adult topics, but there should be an Adult uni. just to keep it
> off the main servers. its sad when at nighttime you look at the worlds
list
> aw on top awteen near the bottom and in-between 50 gor worlds.
>
> I mean they should all team up together and buy a uni if awi wont provide
> one...
>
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May 7, 2004, 10:50am

Yes! Get rid of all religious themed worlds, I find them extremely
offensive. Not long ago I was preached at about Jesus in my own world. At
least nobody has yet tried to come to my world and turn me into a gorean.
Religions is what prevent people from thinking and having own opinions, it
is the worst enemy to logic.

Drac
"mastergrey" <webmaster at greylight.com> kirjoitti viestiss
news:409b35a3 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
two,
> I
> owners
> people
it
> list
>
>
> /* engage extreme sarcasm */
> And should we be getting rid of the Christians too? Why should we be
> subjected to them staying off on their own? I mean really, there are a
few
> nice ones who own very preaty worlds, but I don't want to have to ever be
> next to one! They might even be popular! And what about those stupid
> Americans? They should just go buy a universe of their own if AWI won't
> banish them off to their own corner. It's so sad when you look at the
world
> list at night and most of the top worlds are owned by white people...
> /* disengage extreme sarcasm */
>
provide
>
> As the ones interested in segration, perhaps those who don't want to see
> anything beyond a PG level should found their own universe? That way they
> would have absolute control over their own worlds, and can harden their
> walls against anything not like themselves.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

May 7, 2004, 3:14pm

I cant speak for anyone but myself but I was talking about bad actions of
certain ppl having NOTHING to do with skin color or religion lets see if
we can stay ON the subject please??

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May 7, 2004, 3:14pm

you don't have to listen to this just learn where to click eh?



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May 7, 2004, 4:07pm

same goes for you, heh?
You have to go into adult worlds?

"linn" <ironhead at digitalpassage.com> kirjoitti viestiss
news:409bc40c$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> you don't have to listen to this just learn where to click eh?
>
>
>
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May 7, 2004, 5:25pm

She isn't going into adult worlds she's got a thread and is posting in the
Community section of the Newsgroups eh? So, in other words, you don't like
what you're reading then you may *click* off. There are many of us
interested in this "community" based topic which is so long overdue in need
of discussion. Aye?


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May 7, 2004, 6:38pm

I still think she's a he, errrrm ... I mean he's a he.

LNH


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May 7, 2004, 7:56pm

I was not refering to what is said here, but to the fact that she seems to
dislike adult worlds and would prefer them banned.

".sharon" <none> kirjoitti viestiss
news:409be29c at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> She isn't going into adult worlds she's got a thread and is posting in the
> Community section of the Newsgroups eh? So, in other words, you don't
like
> what you're reading then you may *click* off. There are many of us
> interested in this "community" based topic which is so long overdue in
need
> of discussion. Aye?
>
>
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May 7, 2004, 8:09pm

Seems to me we all have a right to freedom of speech wouldn't ya say Drac?
You sure do you share of it as you seem to go on about how kids shouldn't be
protected because sooner or later it comes down to fate. That they need to
fend for themselves. You seem to imply the world is full of gloom and doom
anyways so rather than attempt to clean it up we ought to leave it a mess
and not trouble ourselves with thinking of solutions. Pardon me, but I'm
not giving in and I'm not giving up just because it's easier.

Sharon



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May 7, 2004, 8:41pm

Sure, everyone should have an opinion.

I do not say we shall not protect the children, I just say that
OVER-protecting can be harmfull also.
I particulary remember one who we called the wimp in school. I run into him
a few years ago and he was heavily alcholized. I am not sure if this was
what his parents wanted with the very strict upbringing ?
I also know quite a few others who had very protective parents, the kids
were never allowed to do anything. At some point the reality shock was to
big when they had to face the "real" world, so they could not handle it.
These nice children who never went anywhere are now those sitting in pubs
all day long, those getting into fight in streets etc. I do not say all
become like this, but seems quite many did, when again those kids who were
concidered wild and badly brought up, settled down and have families and
good jobs ( of course not all ). I could give several examples of this also
from my own life. I do not say that the fact I know a few cases has any
scientific base, but it do not seem so important here anyway ;-

I guess I am just trying to say, that common sense do not hurt, a golden
middle way. Extreme this or that is just harmfull.

".sharon" <none> kirjoitti viestiss
news:409c092b at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Seems to me we all have a right to freedom of speech wouldn't ya say Drac?
> You sure do you share of it as you seem to go on about how kids shouldn't
be
> protected because sooner or later it comes down to fate. That they need
to
> fend for themselves. You seem to imply the world is full of gloom and
doom
> anyways so rather than attempt to clean it up we ought to leave it a mess
> and not trouble ourselves with thinking of solutions. Pardon me, but I'm
> not giving in and I'm not giving up just because it's easier.
>
> Sharon
>
>
>
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May 10, 2004, 12:50am

I don't have any answers to this problem...

However, I have a problem with Gor worlds that say "He we try to keep
kids out, we have this nifty little bot that asks for your age..."

Saying that they because they have a age checking bot script they are
attempting to keep the kids out just doesn't cut it. Everyone knows all
you have to do is lie to the bot.

I've mentioned before that these scripts are rather pointless. All they
do is anoy the people who should really be in the world, and make kids
laugh as they lie to the bot.

In order for me to consider the gor worlds as having "made an attempt to
keep the children out", they're going to do a little more than get a bot
that you can lie to.

-Jeremy

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jeremy Booker - Owner / Webmaster
JTech Web Systems
www.JTechWebSystems.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about
itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." -Mathew 5:34




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May 10, 2004, 1:12am

Agreed. Gor worlds should be private ONLY. A new world rating should be
added 'NC' which requires verification of age. R is unacceptable for worlds
like those. R is considered only 'some' adult material and 'some' language
whereas Gor worlds are 'mostly' adult material as opposed to 'some'.


Just my $69.95 worth.

May 10, 2004, 1:44am

Just for the record, so you know where I stand, I actually had a clause
in my hosting Terms of Service that stated that Gor worlds must remain
private at all times. But I took that clause out, one of the reasons
being that I assumed it would cause an uproar, much like all of the
threads Seiya's actions have caused here in the newsgroups.

Some say those that practice Gor should all "hang out" in their own
universe. Well, on the flip side, couldn't the same be said about almost
any group? Would it be fair for everyone between the ages of 13 to 19
could only "hang out" in their own teen universe and that those 21 or
older had to "hang out" in another? No, of course not.

I'm not sure if anyone here besides me remembers a galaxy that was
started years ago called PeaceWorld. I believe it had a G or PG theme
and only had one fairly large world in it. Maybe that needs to be
revived again.

If a Gor world disables tourist access, uses a bot age check script that
asks for age and year of birth, uses a mature rating of R or above and
mentions that the world is of an adult theme in the welcome message...I
think that's plenty protection to keep "wanderers" out. Some Gor worlds
do all of the above (and even log all chat on top of it) and some may
not do any of the things I mentioned.

If everyone is so concerned about Gor worlds, go petition to AWI to add
a special clause to their official terms/conduct rules and be done with
it. Really, if you are so concerned, stop posting in the newsgroups and
contact AWI directly or the caretakers of the Gor worlds you dislike and
try to work something out with them. Or stop talking about it *do*
something about it, like sign up as a PK, become an official "AW policy
maker," pick up the phone and call AWI to make your voice heard to an
employee, or *something.*

If a child, pre-teen, or teenager wants to access adult material or
pornography, they don't need to use AW to do it. Do you want the AW
startup screen to display a disclaimer that reads something like "We
aren't responsible for what you see here. You may be offended, be
exposed to adult content, etc."?

The Internet is a global place and there are products and software
available that filter out certain things like vulgar words, too much
skin being show on the computer screen, etc. There are also programs
that will prevent a person from revealing their home address, phone
number, SSN, etc. on the Internet (or filter it out if it somehow does
get sent).

I encourage everyone that is concerned to use common sense and do some
of their own research. Think for a moment before you act and use the
great power of the thing between your ears called a brain.

Builderz
http://www.3dhost.net

[View Quote] > I don't have any answers to this problem...
>
> However, I have a problem with Gor worlds that say "He we try to keep
> kids out, we have this nifty little bot that asks for your age..."
>
> Saying that they because they have a age checking bot script they are
> attempting to keep the kids out just doesn't cut it. Everyone knows all
> you have to do is lie to the bot.
>
> I've mentioned before that these scripts are rather pointless. All they
> do is anoy the people who should really be in the world, and make kids
> laugh as they lie to the bot.
>
> In order for me to consider the gor worlds as having "made an attempt to
> keep the children out", they're going to do a little more than get a bot
> that you can lie to.

May 10, 2004, 8:52am

"zeofatex" <greg at warpedsoap.com> kirjoitti viestiss
news:409ef333$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Agreed. Gor worlds should be private ONLY. A new world rating should be
> added 'NC' which requires verification of age. R is unacceptable for
worlds
> like those. R is considered only 'some' adult material and 'some' language
> whereas Gor worlds are 'mostly' adult material as opposed to 'some'.
>
>
> Just my $69.95 worth.
>
You do not seem to know what gor is? I am not gorean, neither will I ever
be.
I have quite often visited gorean worlds though, because they are buildwise
often interesting.
Not even once during my visits has anyone tried to inforce something sexual
on me. There might have been some artistic paintings with slight nudity;
similar to what we had in our schoolbooks teling us about the bible ( you
know that half naked guy hanging on a cross etc).

Usually people there speak to eachother there without cussing compare what
you hear on MTV ( extensive use of bitch, nigger, fuck and so). I would
belive that most sexuality is happening privatly between the persons who it
concernes again compare to MTV ( and similar) who gives a twisted idea about
ideals to the teens and even pre-teens. When have you last for example seem
a dressed female singer or a male singer who would not have nudish women
dancing around him ? ( not to mention the attitude they teach- man is
superior , shall treat women without respect and women are bitches). Would
the people perform there be even "normal" sized but no, skinny girls with
big breast. Why do you think anorexia nd bulimia is a problem of the western
world?

I just wish once people would see the real problems instead of attacking
randomly so called easy targets. I see the popular culture industry to be
one of those most affecting the behaviour and attitudes of the children
today; and I certainly do not like what they teach.

Drac

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