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Apr 10, 2004, 7:21am

My floating tabs window just spontaniously got stuck closed.. I can't expand
it at all. just the "tabs" title bar appears when I view my tabs. Make it
an option to enable or disable floating tabs!

Apr 10, 2004, 11:01am

It's a feature called rollup: double-click on the title barto expand.

On 10 Apr 2004 04:21:11 -0500, "ferruccio" <startrek3 at earthlink.net>
[View Quote] >My floating tabs window just spontaniously got stuck closed.. I can't expand
>it at all. just the "tabs" title bar appears when I view my tabs. Make it
>an option to enable or disable floating tabs!
>

Apr 10, 2004, 12:54pm

Just for clarification, this happen to me also ... title bar = the blue bar
at the top of the tabs (or any other) window ... double click that and your
window should expand. I think *minimize* would be less confusing/shocking
LOL.

LNH



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Apr 10, 2004, 10:08pm

Why should it expand, that was only an early convention? The
microsoft world goes on with or without you LOL, conventions are
changing. You will have to adapt or abandon microsoft :)

On 10 Apr 2004 09:54:56 -0500, "lady nighthawk"
[View Quote] >Just for clarification, this happen to me also ... title bar = the blue bar
>at the top of the tabs (or any other) window ... double click that and your
>window should expand. I think *minimize* would be less confusing/shocking
>LOL.
>
>LNH
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Apr 10, 2004, 11:14pm

Because people are use to minimize / maximize, if they are going to make
roll up the standard they should make it an obvious change. I didn't know
about that feature til I happened on it by accident and I'm sure many others
don't either. You'll see this same kind of post again and again because of
it. And if MS has changed why hasn't my email/ng programs, nor most of my
other programs that work in MS? It has Min/Max feature for that window ...
if you're going to change then be consistent! Roll up is not a standard
windows feature, not yet anyway.

LNH



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Apr 11, 2004, 12:48am

You either get used to it or you lose. It's here to stay. I had my
problems with it in the begining too, coz I was not aware of it
either. Easy to get used to it too.

Alex

On 10 Apr 2004 20:14:52 -0500, "lady nighthawk"
[View Quote] >Because people are use to minimize / maximize, if they are going to make
>roll up the standard they should make it an obvious change. I didn't know
>about that feature til I happened on it by accident and I'm sure many others
>don't either. You'll see this same kind of post again and again because of
>it. And if MS has changed why hasn't my email/ng programs, nor most of my
>other programs that work in MS? It has Min/Max feature for that window ...
>if you're going to change then be consistent! Roll up is not a standard
>windows feature, not yet anyway.
>
>LNH
>
>
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Apr 11, 2004, 1:32am

[View Quote] Floating tabs on the other hand...

Well, not floating tabs, but the inability to chose between the old
style and the floating tab style.

Maybe I don't want fullscreen mode, it doesn't appeal to me. I don't
even play any games that have the capability to go into windowed mode in
full screen mode.

Apr 11, 2004, 4:09am

Yeah you can use F9 in 3.4, it never covered your own view and even chat
window.
The tabs are to go, otherwise theyll see the biggest rebellion ever.
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Apr 11, 2004, 11:08am

Uhhh stop whining and get used to it. Development doesn't revolve around
one person.

[View Quote] > Yeah you can use F9 in 3.4, it never covered your own view and even chat
> window.
> The tabs are to go, otherwise theyll see the biggest rebellion ever.
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Apr 11, 2004, 2:44pm

Go to hell, kid.
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Apr 11, 2004, 5:25pm

[View Quote] > Uhhh stop whining and get used to it. Development doesn't revolve around
> one person.

This coming from the kid who whines when we don't follow his beliefs?

Development does play a _LARGE_ roll on what a group of users believe.
There are plenty who hate floating tabs.

If they want a fullscreen mode why not just have their own API and junk?
That way users who want to use the standard mode don't have to deal
with floating tabs.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-03-19&res=l
take that to heart.

Apr 11, 2004, 10:30pm

I'm starting to wonder... don't you people have other things to worry
about? You can size your screens, floating tabs or not, to the size
you wan't. Isn't this getting a bit childish?

I personally don't particularly like floating tabs, but I manage to
live with them quite satisfactorily. At 55 years of age, I learned to
resize my screens to my satisfaction, roll them up if necessary,
change a bit my petty attitudes... and enjoy the rest. The newest
versions of AW are transitional to 4.0, where a lot of changes are
expected, these floating tabs are the least of them. If you start
like this now, you'll die of anger, frustration and spasms when you
have to adapt to even more change.

If you really insist, there are a few universes that will not move on
to 3.5 or further... maybe time to consider taking residence there?

Just a thought :)

Alex

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Apr 11, 2004, 10:36pm

[View Quote] > I'm starting to wonder... don't you people have other things to worry
> about? You can size your screens, floating tabs or not, to the size
> you wan't. Isn't this getting a bit childish?
>
> I personally don't particularly like floating tabs, but I manage to
> live with them quite satisfactorily. At 55 years of age, I learned to
> resize my screens to my satisfaction, roll them up if necessary,
> change a bit my petty attitudes... and enjoy the rest. The newest
> versions of AW are transitional to 4.0, where a lot of changes are
> expected, these floating tabs are the least of them. If you start
> like this now, you'll die of anger, frustration and spasms when you
> have to adapt to even more change.
>
> If you really insist, there are a few universes that will not move on
> to 3.5 or further... maybe time to consider taking residence there?
>
> Just a thought :)

Nope, but it's good practice to keep your users on your good side even
if you want to progress. They're called "options." All good programs
provide options with classic settings, it's hard to find those that don't.

Remember the chat bubbles? What about the "improved" yet still horrible
movement? Surely, it is less substantial than those, but it is still
something _many_ people don't/didn't want in the first place.

I'm surprised you would go against a developmental instinct to keep
users with your program. You haven't changed the layout of your bot,
spontaneously and without warning, have you? (Why do you think that is?
-- it would be harder for some people to use right?)

Apr 11, 2004, 10:53pm

[View Quote] [View Quote] Not at all, it is because I don't have the skill to do it nor feel
like doing it. If I would find a better layout that would fit MY
needs, I would change it without consulting anyone. After all, it's
MY bot :)

Of course I would think twice before doing that, but that is another
matter. I think AW is quite right in exeperimenting with a new
layout, it's their program and I'm quite sure they will not miss the
couple of people who will die of a stroke because of the change.
Something very different would be if they changed backward
compatibility issues in their code, that would hurt many people and
themselves.

Alex

Apr 12, 2004, 8:55am

I don't think the tabs are a good idea either - actually I did not not
find many with the opposite view so far, but maybe they could come
forward in this thread. :-) I think the old style should be preserved as
an alternate "classic view".
The new stye is a nice thing, eg. when you have 2 screens and can then
put the tabs on one and the graphic window on a second screen, it is
nice as well when you do not use tabs very often or have a very small
screen resolution (640*480) to save space - but in a normal environment
the old style serves better and is more effective for everydays use.


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Apr 12, 2004, 9:19am

At 55 years of age, I learned to resize my screens to my satisfaction,
roll them up if necessary, change a bit my petty attitudes... and enjoy
the rest.
<<<

I certainly would enjoy the rest much more, when, with ongoing
development, I would not have to grow additional arms and fingers to
perform all the tasks and adjustments that were not needed before. :-)

Development of 4.0 goes toward full screen mode with the GUI painted
directly to the screen (in opposite to using the windows system),
something that has, in my very personal experience and opinion, a few
advantages and a lot of disadvantages in terms of practicability.
If the windowed mode is kept in addition, there is the need for 2 very
different GUIs anyway, it would only be in the development phase that
the split of the GUI elements has to be checked and after that, it can
be re-integrated for the windowed mode.

I am aware that one has to "learn" new things when a development takes
place - but there is quite a difference betwee the need to "learn new"
things and to "re-learn old" things, or, in an analogy, I would not
accept it either when in every new car model I buy, they rearrange the
basic functions of the buttons and switches and increase the difficulty
to handle them. :-)



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