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Apr 2, 2004, 10:26am

I don't know about you, but I get REALLY annoyed when I suddenly switch
from 2 hours ahead of VRT to a whole THREE hours ahead of VRT!

Apr 2, 2004, 10:48am

[View Quote] > I don't know about you, but I get REALLY annoyed when I suddenly switch
> from 2 hours ahead of VRT to a whole THREE hours ahead of VRT!
>

But who's daylight savings? Its start is different in Europe than in the US.

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Andras
"It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Apr 2, 2004, 11:19am

Then change it in the exact middle. It could be VRT daylight savings.

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Apr 2, 2004, 11:51am

Interesting idea..
Why didn't they implement this before? X_X
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Apr 2, 2004, 11:52am

Every time zone in the northern hemisphere has different rules for
changing from winter to summer time, and similarly in the southern
hemisphere, but there the changes go in reverse (when it summer in the
north, its winter in the south). The beauty of VRT (like of UT) is
that it *does not* apply these daylight-saving corrections, so that we
can have a universal steady reference to time. VRT is exactly two
hours behind UT (=GMT).

For example, for me in the Netherlands, a week ago it was 3 hours
behind, now it is 4 hours behind my local time. But the VRT for me
and for the States or Autralia or Uruguay is the same.

[View Quote] >I don't know about you, but I get REALLY annoyed when I suddenly switch
>from 2 hours ahead of VRT to a whole THREE hours ahead of VRT!

I get annoyed when I forget that my local time has changed, as happens
twice a year, and I'm out of sync with everything around me for at
least a day :)

Alex

Apr 2, 2004, 12:34pm

I fully agree Alex, especially since I am in a location that does not change
for Daylight Savings Time.

GMT times does not change, why should VRT time?

Apr 2, 2004, 2:17pm

I'm in Colorado (Mountain) and my boyfriend is in the Netherlands. So for a
week in Springtime, he is nine hours ahead of me--the rest of the time he is
eight hours ahead of me.. The Netherlands start Daylight Savings Time a
week before us here in the USA, but they end at the same time as we! Go
Figure!!

--Lady Barbara

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Apr 2, 2004, 2:18pm

GMT time does change. It just changed for me. And now all the stuff is
an hour later.

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Apr 2, 2004, 3:03pm

No it did not. The UK's time is not the same as GMT. What changed is
your local time, which is based on GMT. In the winter it coincides
with GMT (this defines your time zone = GMT + 0), in the "summer" one
supplementary hour is added to it (your time zone remains by
definition GMT + 0, but the actual time is GMT + 1). GMT, better
called UT, never changes in this way with the seasons :)

Alex

[View Quote] >GMT time does change. It just changed for me. And now all the stuff is
>an hour later.
>
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Apr 2, 2004, 3:45pm

Wow this is confusing.

But doesn't solve my problem ;_; stupid people-who-invented-time.

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Apr 2, 2004, 3:46pm

Have a look here:

http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/home.htm

It is a very common error I have noticed in many UK residents that
they think that their Local Time (the time clocks show) is GMT. It is
not. Their Time Zone is GMT, quite a logical choice, since Greenwich
is in England. But Local Time (what clocks show) is Time Zone + an
adjustment. In winter, this adjustment is usually 0 (although during
the war, this was +1hr). In spring, summer and autumn, the adjustment
is +1hr. Her Majesty's Government decides when an adjustment is
needed :)

Alex


[View Quote] >No it did not. The UK's time is not the same as GMT. What changed is
>your local time, which is based on GMT. In the winter it coincides
>with GMT (this defines your time zone = GMT + 0), in the "summer" one
>supplementary hour is added to it (your time zone remains by
>definition GMT + 0, but the actual time is GMT + 1). GMT, better
>called UT, never changes in this way with the seasons :)
>
>Alex
>
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Apr 2, 2004, 4:44pm

[View Quote] lol your wish is my lunch

ote:
change
>

Apr 2, 2004, 5:54pm

On a side note, those of us in the United States (Exlcuding Indiana, Arizona
and Hawaii... you guys suck! BOOOO :P) the first day of Daylight Savings
Time (DST) is the first Sunday of the month of April and the first day of
Standard Time (ST) is the last Sunday of the month of october. :)


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Apr 2, 2004, 6:39pm

at least we always know the correct time =P
yaaaaa indiana hoosiers !!!!!

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Apr 2, 2004, 7:42pm

Actually funny thing about Indiana... ;)

76 counties in Indiana are in the Eastern Standard Time Zone and never
switch to Daylight Savings time. While 11 counties use the Central Time Zone
and do switch to Daylight Savings in April. The five remaining counties are
on Eastern time and do switch to Daylight Savings. :)

(URL: http://www.mccsc.edu/time.html#WHAT)


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Apr 2, 2004, 8:00pm

lol i know. i was born and raised (not necessarily 'grew up' as i'll never
grow up ; ) ) in the northern part of indiana that dun change the time.
interesting ..... lol

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Apr 2, 2004, 9:14pm

And your point is?

Hoosiers Hoosiers Rah Rah Rah!! GOOOO Bull Dogs! (Butler University)

LOLOLOL

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Apr 2, 2004, 9:47pm

hey karten, the state where i moved to, georgia, has bulldogs too lol
btw, has indiana showed signs of spring yet? lol i heard ya had a loooong
winter

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Apr 3, 2004, 12:13am

This is what happens when your state hasn't emerged from the 19th century
(lifelong hoosier here) heheh

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Apr 3, 2004, 2:57am

I have learned that anything that involves UK is confusing. It is stones,
dimes, inches, pounds, Fahrenheits and god know what based on someones foot
size, thumb lenght, teoretically freezingpoints random moon positions and
god knows what.

Drac
"rossyboy" <rossyboy at vwtv.org> kirjoitti viestiss
news:406da6c9$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Wow this is confusing.
>
> But doesn't solve my problem ;_; stupid people-who-invented-time.
>
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Apr 3, 2004, 3:15am

[View Quote] So... the Kelvin/Celsius scale is confusing? Kelvin is based on
Celsius; and it's based around a theoretical "freezing" point. :P

Blame the Romans for pounds.

Aren't all units of measurement pretty pointless anyway? There's no
real definitive scale... people claim one is easier because it uses
10's, but maybe I can add 2's faster... so why not use something based
around 2's instead of 10's :P

Apr 3, 2004, 9:04am

You mean centimeters, meters, kilometers......... and......... miles.... ?

Lol

~John

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Apr 3, 2004, 10:36am

Your just getting old Drac ;)

Jernau


On 2 Apr 2004 23:57:41 -0500, "count dracula" <dracula at netsonic.fi>
[View Quote] >I have learned that anything that involves UK is confusing. It is stones,
>dimes, inches, pounds, Fahrenheits and god know what based on someones foot
>size, thumb lenght, teoretically freezingpoints random moon positions and
>god knows what.
>
>Drac
>"rossyboy" <rossyboy at vwtv.org> kirjoitti viestiss
>news:406da6c9$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>change
>

Apr 3, 2004, 2:37pm

umm, thought the rest of the world went by all of that, except the US who
uses standard? Hmm, I always get my temperature in Celsius anyhow.. easier
to understand..

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Apr 3, 2004, 5:31pm

[View Quote] So you can tell the difference between 10 degrees and 13 degrees
celsius? That's a huge jump in farenheit (almost 10 degrees).

Apr 3, 2004, 5:50pm

[View Quote] [View Quote] Next time do your math better:)
10 degrees (american - or one would say Fahrenheit???) is -12.222 C, so the jump is 25 C!!!

10 degrees is COOOOOLD while 13C is nice and reasonable this time of the year :)
--
Andras
"It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

Apr 3, 2004, 6:02pm

[View Quote] [View Quote] I did it in my head, it's actually a 5 degree jump (still a lot). 25 to
30 in celsius is a 10 degree jump for 5.

The only usefulness I see from celsius is measuring water temperature at
STP. Other than that, it gets just as wacky as farenheit -- except
you're using a base10 system. Not that it really helps when you have
13.592 degrees celsius to change it to 1/451 atmospheres. The number
one reason I hated chemistry, the STP conversions to make sure you're
measuring the right amount of molecules and whatnot.. it was a while ago.

Apr 3, 2004, 6:05pm

[View Quote] [View Quote] I was using Celsius as the point of reference btw, not Farenheit (which
is why I Didn't understand your first one). Your second statement helps
prove my point. A 3 degree change to go from COOOOOLD to nice and
reasonable doesn't help much with air temperature. There should be a
larger gradient. As for boiling and freezing points of water.. as I
said, it's all good for that.

> I did it in my head, it's actually a 5 degree jump (still a lot). 25 to
> 30 in celsius is a 10 degree jump for 5.
>
> The only usefulness I see from celsius is measuring water temperature at
> STP. Other than that, it gets just as wacky as farenheit -- except
> you're using a base10 system. Not that it really helps when you have
> 13.592 degrees celsius to change it to 1/451 atmospheres. The number
> one reason I hated chemistry, the STP conversions to make sure you're
> measuring the right amount of molecules and whatnot.. it was a while ago.

Apr 3, 2004, 6:10pm

What?... We use metric here in the UK, except a lot of our road signs
are still in miles. I think most have miles and kilometres on them now
though.

[View Quote] > I have learned that anything that involves UK is confusing. It is stones,
> dimes, inches, pounds, Fahrenheits and god know what based on someones foot
> size, thumb lenght, teoretically freezingpoints random moon positions and
> god knows what.
>
> Drac
> "rossyboy" <rossyboy at vwtv.org> kirjoitti viestiss
> news:406da6c9$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
>
>
> change
>
>
>

Apr 3, 2004, 6:40pm

[View Quote] > I was using Celsius as the point of reference btw, not Farenheit (which
> is why I Didn't understand your first one). Your second statement helps
> prove my point. A 3 degree change to go from COOOOOLD to nice and
> reasonable doesn't help much with air temperature. There should be a
> larger gradient. As for boiling and freezing points of water.. as I
> said, it's all good for that.
>

I know you are a know nitpicker :) your sentence claimed: "between 10 degrees and 13 degrees Celsius?"
Plain degrees are used to denominate Fahrenheit in the US while if you attach Celsius at the end it is different. Next time you should mention "10 degrees Celsius and 13 degrees Celsius" - to make the topic clear :)

I feel a system which sets the freezing point to 0 and the boiling point to 100 is a reasonable one! No confusion about subtracting 32 and dividing by 1.8 to get a decimal system going on :))


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Andras
"It's MY computer" (tm Steve Gibson)

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