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Jan 11, 2002, 8:30pm

Hello, people. I'd appreciate any help you can offer in getting started.
Please forgive questions that don't really make sense or are two
rudimentary.

I'm interested in starting to learn about and begin program creation for
the Activeworlds environment and am just now starting my reading through
the Activeworlds documentation. In it, it refers to C, Java, and Visual
Basic. I'm trying to decide whether to make C++ or Java my development
environment. What do most people use? What do you recommend? Among C++
and Java environments, do people favor Borland or Microsoft? While I
have a fair amount of programming experience, most of it is many years
old, so, if I proceed, I will be teaching myself one of these two
languages as I go. Any links to helpful related sites and general
suggestions will also be welcomed.

Thank you,
Wotter

Jan 11, 2002, 8:35pm

> Hello, people. I'd appreciate any help you can offer in getting started.
> Please forgive questions that don't really make sense or are two
> rudimentary.
>
> I'm interested in starting to learn about and begin program creation for
> the Activeworlds environment and am just now starting my reading through
> the Activeworlds documentation. In it, it refers to C, Java, and Visual
> Basic. I'm trying to decide whether to make C++ or Java my development
> environment. What do most people use? What do you recommend? Among C++
> and Java environments, do people favor Borland or Microsoft? While I
> have a fair amount of programming experience, most of it is many years
> old, so, if I proceed, I will be teaching myself one of these two
> languages as I go. Any links to helpful related sites and general
> suggestions will also be welcomed.

I prefer C++ over the rest of them. I use Borland to compile it :). I'd
say teach yourself C++ then move onto Java if you'd like.

If you use Borland you have to convert some the aw library so Borland can
use it.
Those are my opinions, good luck to you.

--Bowen--

Jan 11, 2002, 8:50pm

The portability of Java does not help in the AW environment,
because the AW libraries have not been ported. Coming from C
it is really easy to do C++, once you know how OO people design,
you can use C++ and plain C where either of them has its strengths.

Borland, M$ (or the free Watcom http://www.openwatcom.org) :

Watcom is the best compiler, but the IDE is not good. If you are
an editor person and no mouse clicker, this is the best choice,
but windows GUI developement is not really fun with Watcom.

M$ is quite bloatet, but comes with interfaces to all kinds of
stuff (including crap) that can be used in windows. Design of a
windows GUI is way easier than with Watcom, but for everything
else I prefer Watcom.

I don't know BC++ so I cannot say much about it. I know that people
write efficient programs with it and it's cheaper than M$.


Going from C++ to Java is not a big act, just in case you need it
somewhen later.

Another option is Delphi, some make bots with that.


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Jan 11, 2002, 9:00pm

> The portability of Java does not help in the AW environment,
> because the AW libraries have not been ported. Coming from C
> it is really easy to do C++, once you know how OO people design,
> you can use C++ and plain C where either of them has its strengths.
>
> Borland, M$ (or the free Watcom http://www.openwatcom.org) :

Borland is free too :). The command compiler that is. It works just as
good as the payed for version.

--Bowen--

Jan 11, 2002, 9:41pm

> Borland is free too :). The command compiler that is. It works just as
> good as the payed for version.
>
> --Bowen--

And anyway there's nothing as fun as win32 api-only interface design :D

Fox Mc Cloud

Jan 12, 2002, 5:01am

I personaly favor MS VC++, mainly because of its supirorty in the Windows
compilers. and the MFC Wizard, It has a bunch of little things that make it
easer to program without having to tediously type in commands that can be
put there by themselfs.

--
TrekkerX
Commatron & Athnex
http://www.commatron.com
http://www.athnex.com
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Jan 12, 2002, 6:13am

The Java SDK link in the AW SDK FAQ is broken (or as good as). Use
http://www.insead.fr/CALT/Project/AWJavaBots/.

According to this web-site, the last update was some Beta bug fixes back in
2000, so its probably not an option.

Grims

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Jan 12, 2002, 3:00pm

"trekkerx" <zac at commatron.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3c3fdf48 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I personaly favor MS VC++, mainly because of its supirorty in the Windows
> compilers. and the MFC Wizard, It has a bunch of little things that make it

Not saying that MSVC++ sucks, but saying that it's superior to any other windows compiler is a bit too much :P
It is quite well known that Borland C++'s compiler has better performance and compiles faster...

Fox Mc Cloud

Jan 12, 2002, 10:27pm

Thank you all for your suggestions and help. I'm lucky to have tapped into
such a responsive community.

Weighing what you have said and software reviews by customers at Amazon.com
against my particular circumstances, I have decided on Borland C++ Builder
5. Depending on how well that goes, I may disappear for a while using it to
learn how to write in C++ and work with the Activeworlds SDK well enough to
get started.

The newer link to the Java AW SDK, the comparison of products, statements of
personal preferences, and well-wishes were all appreciated.

Wotter

[View Quote] > Hello, people. I'd appreciate any help you can offer in getting started.
> Please forgive questions that don't really make sense or are two
> rudimentary.
>
> I'm interested in starting to learn about and begin program creation for
> the Activeworlds environment and am just now starting my reading through
> the Activeworlds documentation. In it, it refers to C, Java, and Visual
> Basic. I'm trying to decide whether to make C++ or Java my development
> environment. What do most people use? What do you recommend? Among C++
> and Java environments, do people favor Borland or Microsoft? While I
> have a fair amount of programming experience, most of it is many years
> old, so, if I proceed, I will be teaching myself one of these two
> languages as I go. Any links to helpful related sites and general
> suggestions will also be welcomed.
>
> Thank you,
> Wotter

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