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Dec 28, 2003, 2:48am

Ya know it kind of aggravates me that you all pushed MrBruce out of AW
because all his posts spam his now closed A!!CT world in the Newgroups.
I seem a post here by Jetta Lewis entitled "Merry Christmas"
I tried to doubt my better judgement, but sure enough all it was was a spam
add to advertise her Privately owned America world.
I think you all people need a reality check here, no where did I see one
post against that post which was nothing but propaganda advertising for
America world which as been allowed over and over again!
Sorry Jetta, but what is good for the goose is good for the ganda and it's
nothing personal towards you!

Dec 28, 2003, 3:43am

What do you want to hear?


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Dec 28, 2003, 4:20am

[View Quote] Well certainly not what MrBruce had to listen to for doing the same thing.
But I just think what he said was true, certain people around here get away
with everything, even the ones who accused him of doing just what they are
doing.
Not one of his posts went unattacked that he was spaming his world.
But oh well, hes gone now so everyone got what they wanted.
Tiff

Dec 28, 2003, 4:49am

MrBruce was not kicked out, he made the choice to leave. Also, after posting
so much flame bait and crap, it was coming. I'm sure he got attacked for
advertising his world because so many people were pissed at him for making
bad choices like flaming in the newsgroups and causing all this excitement.
Jetta was trying to wish you a merry christmas, even if there was a little
bit in there about america, its not gonna kill you, so don't go off on her
to defend a lost cause.

-Hyper Anthony

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Dec 28, 2003, 1:31pm

That's because MrBruce was immature with his spamming, often speaking in
crude english text, and a horrible use of grammar and massive capital
letters....which annoyed alot of people. Jetta Lewis however uses proper
english, and America world has been around longer than A!!CT, so therefor he
can spam :P

--
Brock
AW: 308723

Administrator:
IceFlare Starbeam Network
IceFlare Digital Entertainment
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Dec 28, 2003, 2:52pm

Plus how often does Jetta Spam?

Lol

~John

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Dec 28, 2003, 3:08pm

Silly Rabbit A!!CT isn't closed, its just invisible..

-Mod
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Dec 28, 2003, 3:11pm

errrrm just ignore that post :P

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Dec 28, 2003, 4:18pm

and why should anyone push him out hes not bothering anyone or begging
anyone for anything.
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Dec 28, 2003, 8:00pm

'we all' didn't push anyone out. You're painting your brush
strokes a little too thick there.

The half dozen or dozen people who attacked Mr. Bruce do
not represent everyone, nor do they even represent the majority
of the people who read and post in these groups.

I was glad to read anything Mr. Bruce posted about things he
was doing with his worlds, events he was going to have etc. I
was not glad to see all the bitterness and flaming they invariably
attracted, but I never held any of that against Mr. Bruce.

Nor did I really hold any of his posts against him. It's quite
obvious that the 'you all' you were referring to in your post here
knew how to yank the poor guys chain, and knew that doing so
would make him lose his temper and probably post in response
here in the newsgroups. It's too bad that neither 'you all' or Mr.
Bruce knew when to just walk away from something.

AW has lost a supporter and proponent for their technology
because other supporters of that technology preferred to take
delight in destroying what he tried to build with it.

When I read posts by people here complaining about how
AWI is not doing enough for the 'community'. I have to wonder
what they expect AWI to do about a community that is in
fact destroying itself.

I am always glad to hear about any kind of build or event
anyone is doing with Active Worlds technology wether it is
in the main Active Worlds Universe or any of the others.

I don't consider people describing worlds they own, models
they have built, Universes they have started or hang out in,
or anything else related to activites with Active Worlds
'spamming' in the context of an Active Worlds community
newsgroup.

If I am not interested in what they are posting about, it is
easy enough to ignore it.

And your attempt to create an issue out of his post is far more
out of context in this group than the content of his post.

Speaking for 'we all'... don't try to drag us into this. 'we all'
sat back and shut our mouths while a bunch of troublemakers
made a big scene for no good reason and made themselves all
look like idiots.

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Dec 28, 2003, 8:10pm

well said
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Dec 28, 2003, 8:29pm

And could it possibly be the negative feelings MrBruce felt from fellow AW
world owners and citizens were not because he mentioned what was going on in
his world event-wise, (he certainly has as much right as anyone to call
attention to his public events) but because each time when it was close to
the time to renew, he panicked because of the huge cost and suggested that
because his worlds were bigger, better, and cost more, the AW citizenry
should help pay their fair share of his renewal fees, or at least AW should
give him a break because of what his worlds and cits were probably doing to
keep AW afloat? If he wasn't asking for financial help, exactly what was it
he was asking/telling? Maybe people who can only afford, or wisely choose
limit themselves to, a P10 or P20 or so and/or a cit or two, do not like to
hear they are not doing enough for the community if they do not subsidize AW
(or MRBruce) in other ways, too. I know it was a little unnerving to some to
hear the countdown each time. We all have our own renewal dates and for some
they must be a time of scraping cash together. With all due respect to
MRBruce, I certainly don't think he was pushed out of AW, I'm sure he just
wasn't getting something he thought he had coming so he left to teach a
lesson to those he thought of as his detractors. I hope it was worth it to
him and I hope he can now relax.

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Dec 29, 2003, 2:17am

Ok sorry guess I was so upset I went over board by saying "you all" but I
used that in place of names and figured you could all fugure out who or who
deserves the title "you all"
MrBrucewas not all about I do so you give to me, he posted world events in
the NGs like everyone else all during the time A!!CT still had many months
left.
Unless your cache has been totally cleared, read back on those posts which
asked for nothing.
They were just like everyone elses post about an event or world related
event.
Sorry but all I ever seen was attacks against him saying this is not AW
World related stuff, take your A!!CT crap and spam elsewhere!!!
Yet I see events to other worlds posted it every week and I read all the
replies, I never see one bad word said to other world owners, like i seen
towards MrBruce.
Was this right? And why was every post he made unrelated to begging for
something treated in this manner?
Look thru out this news group, how many posts do you see related to a
citizen advertising their world or its events?
Maybe my post was out of line, but I'm a little upset here that certain
people here were allowed to attack the guy no matter what he posted and no
one stood up for him, but instead egged the flamers on more by agreeing with
them!
When I see people saying "MrBruce deserves what he gets thrown at him from
these flamers" It really shows me what type of community AW has become.
True as I see it alot of those were jealious world owners who were envious
of A!!CT's success as being populated 98% of the time.
I bring America world to light here, because a few who are moderators in
America world have been quick to post against any posts MrBruce made
regardless of its content.
Put yourself in his place, how would you have reacted if it was you?
Leave AW? Thats exactly what MrBruce did.
Tiff
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Dec 29, 2003, 2:36am

Cheers, Well said!

~ Justin

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Dec 29, 2003, 3:00am

[View Quote] Carolann plz also read my post to codeworrior.
But I just want to say this, read the replies to this post.
Again I see MrBruce bashing here and hes not even here to defend himself!!
It's not enough these aerogant people have to continue the attack, Ciena has
to email me correcting me for calling Jetta a "she"
nikona at comcast.net says in a message: ummm jetta is a he not a she lol :P
That's an example of someone with Mod rights in America world?
Sticking their tongue out at me to poke fun at me?
Anyways read what I said to Codeworrior Im not going to repeat myself.
Thanks.
Tiff

Dec 29, 2003, 6:48am

Hmmm, i havent seen any moderators in america that have posted anything bad
about Mr Bruce. As for the others they dont really need a reason to bash
anyone. Haven't u noticed that many nice posts are turned into a bashing?
Jetta is a nice respectable citizen of aw and he doesnt bother anyone. So
why bring america into this snake pit?
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Dec 29, 2003, 6:53am

That email was a mistake. I hit the wrong button. Sorry about that. i would
never intentionaly email anyone here and how could it be making fun of u? I
was just letting u know Jetta was a he.
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Dec 29, 2003, 7:21am

> Ok sorry guess I was so upset I went over board by saying "you all" but I
> used that in place of names and figured you could all fugure out who or
who
> deserves the title "you all"

Well I'm sure the people you were referring to knew that you meant
them. It's just that everyone else would be wondering why you included
them in the post.

That's a really good example of how to alienate a lot of people
unintentionally with a newsgroup post, but it's easy to slide
into that kind of writing style when you are writing about
something you have strong emotions about which you obviously
have.

> MrBrucewas not all about I do so you give to me, he posted world events in
> the NGs like everyone else all during the time A!!CT still had many months
> left.

And 99% of the people reading the NG simply read his posts and
went on to read other posts.

Very, very few people out of all the people reading here in reality
ever posted anything in response.

> Sorry but all I ever seen was attacks against him saying this is not AW
> World related stuff, take your A!!CT crap and spam elsewhere!!!

As said.. sometimes you should just walk away, especially when the
other person is just 'pushing your buttons'.

> Maybe my post was out of line, but I'm a little upset here that certain
> people here were allowed to attack the guy no matter what he posted and no
> one stood up for him, but instead egged the flamers on more by agreeing
with
> them!

"if you're not with us you're against us" is a great way to make huge
numbers of enemies in a very short period of time.

> When I see people saying "MrBruce deserves what he gets thrown at him from
> these flamers" It really shows me what type of community AW has become.
> True as I see it alot of those were jealious world owners who were envious
> of A!!CT's success as being populated 98% of the time.

I think you have a valid point.

But if you look at your own post, doesn't it show a bit of envy?
You are jealous that other people can post about their worlds without
starting a flame war.

I'm not knocking you for being envious. It's a human reaction. You
obviously have put a lot of effort into working with A!!CT worlds,
and I'm sure you would like people to visit, see what is there, comment
on it etc.

But it makes you look bad to knock someone else in order to elevate
your own cause and I'm sure you don't want that either.

The fact is that I often recall Mr. Bruce tacking his own posts onto
other peoples posts, and that is probably why a lot of people considered
his posts spam.

Just as you've tried to turn Jettas post about America into a post
about A!!CT.

I don't think it was Mr. Bruces posts about A!!CT that caused people
to flame him, I think it was that when other people posted about their
own world, he tried to hijack their threads by posting '.... and don't
forget to visit A!!CT world too' or something along that line.

America stands on it's own.

A!!CT should stand or fall on it's own too.

Neither one should take anything away from the other.

> I bring America world to light here, because a few who are moderators in
> America world have been quick to post against any posts MrBruce made
> regardless of its content.

And you are guilty of exactly the same thing here.

You are perpetuating a myth that people have to choose one or
the other... that owning an AW is a competition for visitors... that
if someone visits my world it somehow takes away from yours.

I have visited America, A!!CT and many other worlds. It's up to me
where I go and when, and I resent anyone attempting to limit my
choices.

I will go wherever I wish. The best you can do is inform me that
you have a place worthy of a visit, and when I arrive there to see
all the wonders you've prepared, that is your opportunity to show
me why I should keep coming back.

> Put yourself in his place, how would you have reacted if it was you?

It would have never reached that stage if it was me.

> Leave AW? Thats exactly what MrBruce did.

Leave the NG's. Don't respond to obvious flame bait.

Dec 30, 2003, 3:29am

Codeworrior my post my have been out of line as I said, but some of the
things you listed here such as MrBruce jumped at the opertunity to spam his
world under a post related to another world.
I seen Andras post regarding the present hunt, he has a website there listed
with all the world names on it.
Why did America world Mod Ciena havs to post below it saying America world
is in the hunt too, we have such and such areas open for hunting blah blah
blah?
I'm posting this as an admission of hurt for someone who tried to do
something good and was allowed to be bashed by other world owners and their
mods!
This is not about living together in harmony, this is about my world is
better than your world so there!
I do not believe this ws the case with MrBruce, as I have known him for over
a year and chatted with him out side of AW before I came here.
Lastly, he tried to tell you all that someone knew is password thru use of a
trojan secertly hidden on a bot file he archived on his hard drive as a
backup for the bot center.
Just knowing his password allowed someone to post hateful capitalized posts
saying he hated you all and AW sucks and such.
He tried to tell you all it was not him, but no one listend.
He usually stayed logged in 100% of the time so they were not able to log in
and still his cit. So instead, they used the NGs hoping to start a new group
of MrBruce haters.
Well good for them they succeeded! And that is why they do it to others time
and time again because it works.
I may sound like I'm starting something here, but as I said, I'm rather a
little hurt and if this is wrong and I am way out of line here to be calling
the kettle black, I just wonder what rights people had to attack him. I seen
no reason for what he said any reason for anyone to be personally hurt by
him posting an event here.
So if guilty of doing to them what they did to him, then personally I am
sorry, as I said I have hurt feelings here.
Tiff

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Dec 30, 2003, 4:07am

Well I'm not going to bother replying to you in detail again.

You've slipped back into the 'you all' crap, and pretty much
everything I said has gone right in one ear and out the other.

If you insist that we all hate Mr. Bruce, and you can't read and
comprehend a post in plain English telling you that isn't so, then
think what you want to.

Just remember to tell Mr. Bruce when he sees all the photos on
the giant wall of Mr. Bruce haters that most of them are there
because we didn't take sides one way or the other.

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