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Nov 22, 2003, 6:58am

E N Z O you need to show us you are the smart businessman your credentials
show you are on the AW website. I know your a smart bussiness man Rick but
sometimes you need to read what 'we' your members say to you. We snicker and
chat behind your back about ideas on how to make you richer and help your
program servive. We are just citizens who pay a bill to you each month or
year. But we also listen to our fellow citizen's complaints, suggestions and
ideas.
We all want AW to servive and in return, so does your companies profits.
We have spoken many times on the telephone and had good conversations, I
know you have a heart and a desire to servive, as we all in AW have a heart
and a desire for you to servive.
Please work with us Rick, its your company, but its our favorite passtime
where we bring our friends to chat and learn new educational things.
you know how to contact me Rick, feel free to do so.
MrBruce A!!CT world's owner.
MrBruce at a1ct.com

Nov 22, 2003, 9:26am

E N Z O seems to keep abreast of what is going on in the NGs and in AW
fairly well. Just because he doesn't reply to every "ENZO PLZ READ!" thread
doesn't mean he isn't keeping tuned in.
I think yall give him less credit than he is due...

LF

Nov 22, 2003, 12:13pm

BRUCE, IT IS OVER!
A!!CT IS GOING TO DIE ACCEPT IT!

And what good are citizenships to Enzo unless they are being PAID for?

--
Brock
AW: 308723

Owner:
IceFlare Networks
IceFlare Hosting Services
Virtual World Broadcasting Network
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Nov 22, 2003, 1:04pm

shut the fuck up already you uneducated worthless twit, noone wants to hear
your shit :\

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Nov 22, 2003, 2:56pm

And you think that's going to do the trick? Match idiotic ranting with
obscene ranting?

LF

Nov 22, 2003, 4:52pm

[View Quote] A perfectly correct statement...

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> --
> Brock
> AW: 308723

Nov 22, 2003, 7:20pm

No.1 Brock no where in my post is there a mention of A!!CT world. No.2 Im
trying to make sense about your statment about unpaid citizenships below.
I'm not aware of AW giving out free citizenships, besides maybe a cit
exstention in AWBingo.
No.3 This post had nothing to do with A!!CT at all, so maybe you should get
off the anti MrBruce and Anti A!!CT jealiousy rant you seem to be allowed to
rant on about all the time.
No.4 As a business you need to accept some lossses to make some rewarding
gains. Stores do it all the time and survive.
Wake up Brock, we are losing our fellow citizens quicker than you think.
Tell me brock, how many of the names on your present contacts list are
attached to actual valid citizenships?
I do not have to list my contact list to you, but since the price increase
in Febuary 2002, I believe I have had to remove a good 25 names that I know
for sure are gone for sure, the rest I have no clue.
Where is TacoGuy and ATACO world? I can tell you, he and ATACO left AW
because of the high pricing and I can go on and on with a list a mile long.
This was not the case (at this intensity) before the high price increases.
My message to you Brock is this, you need to put a little more into AW's
income besides the price of your citizenship to tell me off, if your
citzenship is supposed to be so valuable to AWI, guess what dude? I pay out
the price equiviant of your citizenship 25 times a month and own 9 fully
paid for worlds besides.
If AW would prefer to keep your cit income over the money I have invested in
AW, then more power to them.
You have a right to your opinion, but opinions like yours can hurt business
more than they will ever help.
If you went to a McDonalds and the manager allowed a person standing in line
to verbally abuse you and refuse to do anything about it, I'm sure you'd
walk out and take your business somewhere else....thats is if you have any
self respect for yourself at all.
MrBruce
MrBruce at a1ct.com

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Nov 22, 2003, 7:39pm

did weyoun's post have any point whatsoever... hmm I THINK NOT

[View Quote] > And you think that's going to do the trick? Match idiotic ranting with
> obscene ranting?
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> LF
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Nov 22, 2003, 7:44pm

You always seem to start off making good points in your posts Bruce, but the
I realize there are usually two more pages of them, and just lose interest.
Keep them short and concise for crying out loud! People would be alot more
receptive to your idea then.

Oh, and Strike, your statement "perfectly correct" isn't.


LF

Nov 22, 2003, 9:53pm

Bruce, REWARDING? Think about all those prizes they hand out at events and
bingo, EVERY WEEK, those are not rewards? You win an event, you get
rewarded. It doesn't go like you want it to. Sit around, do nothing, get
rewarded, now if things were like that the world would be a great place.

--
Brock
AW: 308723

Owner:
IceFlare Networks
IceFlare Hosting Services
Virtual World Broadcasting Network

Nov 22, 2003, 10:59pm

not all of AW is dying, there are a few words out there still flourishing,
and not only that *gasps* Growing!

J

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Nov 22, 2003, 11:01pm

OK, I will try harder, but work with me if you can, I do mean the best for
all of us. :)
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Nov 22, 2003, 11:06pm

True, but then there are the ones here in AW who do a lot and use alot of
their time. True they do it because they want to, but as a whole, this post
is about asking E N Z O to please listen to all of us, not just me. We all
want the samething in the end....and that is for AW to servive as a company.
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Nov 23, 2003, 12:59am

So, how exactly... do citizens benefit E N Z O unless they pay him? If they
don't pay him.. AWI can't run the Universe... and AWI (at least the AW
section) goes bankcrupt within just a few months).

Tell me, how is that incorrect?

- MR

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Nov 23, 2003, 1:05am

A!!CT<snip>AWBingo<snip>A!!CT<snip><snip>MrBruce<snip>A!!CT<snip>

> No.4 As a business you need to accept some lossses to make some rewarding
> gains. Stores do it all the time and survive.

I believe your logic is flawed in a certain respect... that tactic is used
on lesser products to boost the sales of an overall set. You may have to
make a loss on a small suitcase, to make a bigger gain on a set of suitcases
to which it is a part of... however that dosent work if that small suitcase
is worth 70% of your suitcase set... does it?

> Wake up Brock, we are losing our fellow citizens quicker than you think.
> Tell me brock, how many of the names on your present contacts list are
> attached to actual valid citizenships?
> I do not have to list my contact list to you, but since the price increase
> in Febuary 2002, I believe I have had to remove a good 25 names that I
know
> for sure are gone for sure, the rest I have no clue.

That will teach you for adding all the AWHS cits to your contacts...

> Where is TacoGuy and ATACO world?

Hopefully gone...

> I can tell you, he and ATACO left AW
> because of the high pricing and I can go on and on with a list a mile
long.
> This was not the case (at this intensity) before the high price increases.
> My message to you Brock is this, you need to put a little more into AW's
> income besides the price of your citizenship to tell me off, if your
> citzenship is supposed to be so valuable to AWI, guess what dude? I pay
out
> the price equiviant of your citizenship 25 times a month and own 9 fully
> paid for worlds besides.

I bet E N Z O is reading this and thinking 'Idiiiottt' about all this money
your spending..

> If AW would prefer to keep your cit income over the money I have invested
in
> AW, then more power to them.
> You have a right to your opinion, but opinions like yours can hurt
business
> more than they will ever help.

Noone actually pays attention to them, except you...

> If you went to a McDonalds and the manager allowed a person standing in
line
> to verbally abuse you and refuse to do anything about it, I'm sure you'd
> walk out and take your business somewhere else....thats is if you have any
> self respect for yourself at all.

What ever happened to just knocking the moron out?

- MR
Its late, and ive tried to make these as amusing as possible

Nov 23, 2003, 3:24am

I couldn't have said it better myself Weyoun ;)


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Nov 23, 2003, 6:31am

E N Z O needs to get smart. Quick. Cause a price hike will end up ruining
AW as it has already shown. There used to be 1000 people on at once...now it
doesnt go above 400.

-Ep0ch

Nov 23, 2003, 2:07pm

I agree with Ep0ch.

When AW first started we had nearly 2000

etc....someone i know did the math and aw lost over 80% of their users when
they made you PAY.

AW is slowly disintergrating into ashes if E N ZO doesnt do something about
these prices on worlds and citizenships.

Nov 23, 2003, 11:51pm

E N Z O actually having an intelligent conversation with the AW community?
NO WAY!!! His reply to the rant thread was something along these lines: "TAG
YOU'RE IT". His senseless humour doesn't entertain the AW citizens, who are
seeing with their own eyes a dying community. I really doubt that E N Z O
is taking his job seriously anymore. It's like he WANTS to kill Active
Worlds. I really doubt E N Z O will do anything to fix the world and
citizen fees.

Nov 24, 2003, 12:04am

To be fair I enjoy much of Enzo's humour, mainly because you have to be a
bit of a dorky nerd to understand most of the stuff he says.

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Nov 24, 2003, 12:19am

He will listen, but he's thinking like a businessman and he may know things
we dont know, but at the same time, we as citizens are seeing telegram after
telegram from our friends saying they are leaving AW and leaving forwarding
email addresses to contact them at, so we see a dying community.
True Activeworlds never intended to create a community out of this program,
it was us the users of this program who created that....but what
Activeworlds did create was a program that we could build our communities
upon, like a foundation to a house.
But we as the paying financial supporters of Activeworlds.Inc see this
foundation curmbling little by little.......eventually, the house will
collapse and fall....as will our community collapse and fall beside it.
MrBruce
MrBruce at a1ct.com
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Nov 24, 2003, 5:24am

If he is raising prices again, then I agree with you all, if not and this is
just over the price hike that was well over a year ago, then let me give you
a stick so you can go beat a dead horse......



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Nov 24, 2003, 10:14pm

Could I have a golf club instead?

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Nov 25, 2003, 12:02am

lol, I hate to break it to you guys :-) but I would pay even more than I do
now if I had to in order to continue here, I love this place, and love all
the work that I've put into it, and I cannot measure that work in the money
involved. To me, it is simply an investment :-) and like I said, not every
world is dying, there are many who are growing and flourishing!

J

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Nov 25, 2003, 2:38am

You mean the ones owned by AWI like AWRPG? Comeon what about us who pay for
our worlds? We cant compete with worlds that have unilimted space and user
limits. Its the paying customers worlds that are dying out here, because we
can not offer anything more then what our wallets allows us. I know of alot
of worlds that got priced right out of the universe. Nova was one of them
and I know of a few others that are facing possible closure (Not counting my
world) Its just not my place to advertise other peoples' hardships here.
So if we all close our worlds and demand a refund all that will be left is
AWI owned worlds, think of the revenue AW will lose when all their world
sales come to an end and all there is left is the monthly/yearly renewal of
a citizenship left.
I think world sales make up alot of AW's income. Universes are the same way,
even the most popular ones, are not all that popular compared to the AW
universe.
Spiral Matrix is empty most of the time, I see PeaceCity is dead and I think
DLP and OW are barely serviving.
Just my opinion....MrBruce.
MrBruce at a1ct.com
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Nov 25, 2003, 3:04am

We seriously considered all the options before renewing our world for its
3rd anniversary. For the first time we considered actually letting it all
go, being so dead here. But it is our one love and have put alot of work
into our world over the years. We did wish larger as each year we have
increased our size a bit, but not this year, it is just too expensive. We
did lower our visitors from 10 to 5 to save costs, considering aw is so
dead lately is almost a waste for a small world to pay for extra visitors.
Although completely against having to pay for tourists as feel we are
'advertising' to them what they could do if citizen, it is unfortunately a
necessary evil as so many of the old cits can no longer afford the prices
(oooh so many have gone) but still visit as tourist once in awhile. We
decided this was necessary to leave our doors open for old friends of AW.
Not only does AW not help our finances (and LOL never expected that anyway)
we were surprised to see that our renewal date for next year is no longer
Nov 12, it is now Nov 11.....AW has claimed the leap year day next year as
theirs. Is there anything so cheap as that, that they cannot give us one
free day and continue our renewals as they were, considering we did renew a
world.....Maybe I am just being picky : )
Do the small world owners expect help from AW? Hell, no LMAO
sweets

Nov 25, 2003, 11:16am

LOL space and user limits do not define whether a world grows or dies,
succeeds or fails... it's the people who run it, it's the life of the
community within it... none of that can be stimulated by AWI :-) As for AWI
owned worlds, there are quite a few of those declining as well :-)

J

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Nov 28, 2003, 2:42pm

Well, I was one of the lucky few that had my world hosted by a friend for
free uptill now. That way I could afford me to have a world of my own. Last
year I payed about $ 200.- for my world where 10 ppl at the time could come
and visit. Also I payed my $ 59.- for tourist allowance into my world.
Unfortunatly the hosting will end in January what will mean I hafta invest
atleast $ 200.- more to keep it up and running. $ 400,- has become to much
for me to keep my world alive. So I am also one of those worldowners that
has to stop running my world "yep!"
Now, for many of u that prolly will make no difference at all. Most of u
never visited my world, or maybe have popped in just ones or twice wich is
not a problem at all cause I don't visit all the other worlds aswell. But
for some yep! is this small community there up and running wich is visited a
few hours a day by mainly Europeans. For sure it will be missed by some of
them....
Now AW also exists cause of all these small worlds like yep! Many active
builders and worldowners out there... and all together many visitors
aswell... It is a pity to see them leave. Now yep! has become one of them.

But, if nobody cares bout worlds like yep! what will there be left in two
years from now. Small worlds disappear, therefore many cits do not renew
wich makes other worlds disappear... a.s.o.

Now at this moment that I am writing this there r 1056 worlds out there in
AW. I remember bout half a year ago I mentioned in the newsgroups that the
number of worlds went below the 1200. Eventho there still is this sign in AW
saying sumfin like: "join the largest and fastest growing universe in the
world" we have lost about 150 worlds in half a year. Thats over 10% !! If
this rate continious (20% a year), I think AW will be no longer the fastest
growing universe anymore... (between u and me... the figures show that AW is
getting smaller instead of growing... The sign out there at AWGZ isn't
right... its to fool the newbies...). The number of visitors is going down
in the same rate btw....

I have started to tear my world down. It will be alive for an other month,
but most builds I have deleted allready. I noticed two things:
1. deleting goes much faster than building...
2. The less builds there r left the less lagging there is...
These where for me the only two positive things I could think of in the last
few days b4 I close my world down after 3 years. Now I only hafta decide
what to do with my cit. I hafta get me a new cit cause the one I have ends
with the world. After being a cit for 6 years now there prolly will be a
"screb tourist" for a while. I guess I will hang around a bit in sweets
world, hoping it will be worth for her to keep her world up and running....
Heya sweets !! Here I come !!

screb

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