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Nov 5, 2003, 5:58am

Well this was built up in the SW City Forums, edited for the newsgroups. If
you don't care about Alphaworld then there's no need to read this.
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I've brought up Alphaworld topics countless times in my years here in the
newsgroups. Only a couple times has AWI commented, in which case it would
appear they barely even read what I had to say. Because of SW City, I'm
totally bound to Alphaworld, which means we're ultimately under the control
of AWI, and I gotta say I really don't like that. Many of you say
Alphaworld is dead, move on, but that's simply not the case. Primarily, no
one in town wants to abandon ship, and second that there's no where for us
to go anyway. So, what's so great about Alphaworld? It's an overlooked
potential for us and AWI. In AW, you got your world owners userbase, and
your commoner userbase. AWI has been focused on the world owners for many
versions and years now. Yes, worlds is where the money's at, but this
indirectly hurts the community. As Goober King has stated, AW is shifting
from a community to a solo universe. At this rate, we're going to be just a
bunch of nice looking worlds with 0 to 3 people in it. That's not a
community, and a community is what keeps a program going for a long time.
The commoners form most of your community, and they've always been mostly
attracted to the big worlds, which are the public worlds basically. The
public worlds offer vast space, security and state-of-mind that the world
isn't going to be cleared like so many private worlds do. Well, the
community is dieing I don't need to tell you that. AWI can only do so much
to help the community, and that's basically just working for it a little, in
terms of public features, objects, or official events. This is sorta like
the fertilizer of community health, and the community can help itself for
everything else....so this is where Alphaworld comes in.

AWI can't seem to get it through their heads that Alphaworld is about the
only place that allows people to start a town of their own, at least one
that could reach good size. That's Alphaworld's selling point. It also
appears to be *painfully obvious* that AWI is not taking advantage of
Alphaworld's popularity. The popularity is already there, why bother trying
to start a new one with NewAW? Alphaworld has the rich history, world
record setting size and development, and a good sized userbase compared to
the rest of AW, and they want to let it rot and die instead of continue to
grow? That's not smart business. All worlds have their caretakers to look
over world improvements. AWteen's government acts as an organized caretaker
system basically, and coupled with it's size it's quite popular. But,
public worlds have AWI as their caretaker, and frankly they're pretty lousy
at this.

And then there's business potential...they musta spent thousands of dollars
worth of paid labor building NewAW, where they coulda spent next to nothing
fixing up AW. By nothing, I mean that AWI owns countless objects that
aren't in use, from other worlds of theres. They could do official events.
Bring the community together. There are still plenty of features to unlock.
Some features may cause problems, but they all have work arounds and AWI is
either blind at seeing them or doesn't want to admit they're there. I can
think of many workarounds as I type this. Doing these cheap things is like
instant benefits for us and their business when they really needed it; not
years down the road putting all your hope in some new flagship world that
may or may not work, where the was no community input on if we would even be
interested in it (I don't for one), and having blind faith that the
community will even be around by the time its done. And if change does
cause problems? Are you so scared at fixing it? I'm sure you can do that a
lot faster than the time it took to make NewAW.

Ontop of neglecting Alphaworld, they lie to us about it. They said 3 times
in the newsgroups that there would be a community vote on whether or not we
wanted new features in AW. Did we ever get one? No, they just threw in 3d
axis without input. There was also suppose to be an object submission
program. It was supervised by Factor, and the program died before it built
up speed because he left. Seems like that gave AWI an excuse to disband the
whole idea. Shortly before the price hikes, there were plans with Mountain
Myst and Duskbat and his crew to revamp AW GZ. But after the price hikes,
AWI sort of let themselves forget all about this. I've mentioned stuff like
this before, and they always make these ridiculous statements that they can
never backup about how people "rioted" when features were added before, like
when they added the new avatars when only CY existed; And when they gave us
some insane 15 minute environment rotating scheme that made 0 sense and was
just awful, and of course people complained about it, including me, and they
for some reason think we don't want *any* change at all to the environment,
which isn't true. They don't even do a winter theme anymore which they did
every year. AWI is overly sensitive towards AW conservatives, or what I
like to call AW Amish (I know a few, don't take it personal if your reading
this). I don't mean to offend anyone but I notice many of these people are
older in r/l, and it's basically a fact that as you get older your less
likely to like change. I personally believe them protesting change (for the
better) is selfish, them holding onto the past and not seeing great things
happening in the future. They need to get their priorities straight on what
is best for the future of AW.

And, the worst part of it all is that since the price hikes, despite AWI
claiming they could offer us more with the new revenue, Alphaworld has seen
much much less attention than beforehand. That's what really angers
me...thanks for reading, and here's hoping for a change in case this gets
read by management; and if you are happening to read this Mr. Noll, if you
guys aren't going to take care of these public world's futures, let someone
else do it. Form an official panel. There *are* functional official groups
after all, like PKs, GKs and GET. So it can be done.

- SW Comit, representing the people of SW City

Nov 5, 2003, 12:54pm

Hear, hear.

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--Bowen--
http://bowen.homelinux.com
Give me ideas.

Nov 5, 2003, 1:27pm

Ear, what ear? :-P

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D a n

Nov 5, 2003, 1:50pm

[View Quote] Hear, hear. You know, to express approval, it's a very common idiom.

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--Bowen--
http://bowen.homelinux.com
Give me ideas.

Nov 5, 2003, 2:09pm

Bravo, SW Comit, Bravo!!

Excellent points throughout your whole rant.
It was a constructive rant, I might add.

I especially agree with what you said here:
"And when they gave us
some insane 15 minute environment rotating scheme that made 0 sense and was
just awful, and of course people complained about it, including me, and they
for some reason think we don't want *any* change at all to the environment,
which isn't true."


Lara (semi-Amish, me... but hey!, I like "good" changes, too.) ;-P

Nov 5, 2003, 2:26pm

Damn fine rant. I'm inspired.
Lets see a rebuttal AWI.

LF

Nov 5, 2003, 2:28pm

Does not hold his breath for that to happen.


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Nov 5, 2003, 2:31pm

[View Quote] Me either. ;)

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--Bowen--
http://bowen.homelinux.com
Give me ideas.

Nov 5, 2003, 3:53pm

Obviously you CAN'T hold your breath... although it might help you make new
friends :P

A rebuttal?

First of all while I appreciate the "rant" and am glad to see the interest
SW comit has in AW I am unclear on a couple points. Please enlighten me on
a couple of these and I will do what I can.

a. The appeal of Alphaworld is that people can build towns?

b. What is the 15 minute scheme rotation?

c. Why when a vote was taken was there only about 30 votes?

d. Why do you insist there is some correlation between AW and NewAW? NewAW
is an entirely different project (in some ways a prototype) and one from
which most developement of 3.4 and 3.5 came from. Many of the ideas started
in NewAW were things which have been on the wishlist for YEARS and have now
been incorporated in the client!

e. Are you sure there was a plan to revamp AWGZ?

f. You don't remember that people were upset when the new avatars got
added? This was not when "only Cy" existed but was years later.

g. What are the features still to be unlocked? It was my understanding that
tourists are allowed and 3Axis rotation is also. What would you like?

h. You feel that a rate hike was done and a promise was made that AlphaWorld
was then going to be improved?


Let us know what you think AW should have and then we can rebutt or agree.

E






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Nov 5, 2003, 4:29pm

Yeah, where's the leadership? Enzo, your employees come up with some great
ideas to spice things up around here. But when the people who spearheaded
them left the company, the ideas fizzled out. It sounds to me that the
company's right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. And as much
of a nice guy as you are, Enzo, if you want us users to see you as a
credible leader of this company, then you've got some serious housekeeping
to do over there in Newburyport.

SW Chris

Nov 5, 2003, 4:34pm

[View Quote] Yes, there is plenty of area to build large scale projects. Towns are
included.

> b. What is the 15 minute scheme rotation?

Something about the sun or day night cycle -- I'm not exactly sure on
that one myself.

> c. Why when a vote was taken was there only about 30 votes?

Not all of us spend every waking hour in AW. ;)

> d. Why do you insist there is some correlation between AW and NewAW? NewAW
> is an entirely different project (in some ways a prototype) and one from
> which most developement of 3.4 and 3.5 came from. Many of the ideas started
> in NewAW were things which have been on the wishlist for YEARS and have now
> been incorporated in the client!

I think he's exspressed concern that AW is not moving forward. All the
new features that have been incorporated in the browser are not even
being enabled in public build worlds (save AWTeen).

> e. Are you sure there was a plan to revamp AWGZ?

It might be fun. But as I've said before, the Denizens of AW are
horribly attached to antiquity... doing this might shatter their world.

> f. You don't remember that people were upset when the new avatars got
> added? This was not when "only Cy" existed but was years later.

Avatars are avatars, maybe people would've been happy if new avatars
were appended to the previous avatars instead of completely replacing
them. Which is usually the problem, people don't mind change, as long
as they can fall back on to familiar things.

> g. What are the features still to be unlocked? It was my understanding that
> tourists are allowed and 3Axis rotation is also. What would you like?

3rd axis rotation in the _world_ AW! And all AWI owned worlds for that
matter (such as mars). Hell, special commands would be a god send. I
doubt you really need to be concerned with "terrorism" anymore Rick,
your new price scheme has sufficiently alienated all the 12 year olds
who want to cause trouble. But it's also a double edged sword, people
are paying more and that means they want more (ie every feature added
being added to the world).

Terrain (use demeter - that alon would be awesome), special commands
(thank god light wasn't one of them), 3rd axis rotation, maybe even
water a-la-AWTeen style.

> h. You feel that a rate hike was done and a promise was made that AlphaWorld
> was then going to be improved?

We always hoped that such a thing would happen, we payed more for not
only new browser improvements (which would be stupid not to have unless
you're really believe that stopping production would still produce
money), but also that our congregation centers would also be improved.

I'm not saying it's bad... but maybe AW should be backed up to a blank
world to be preserved. ClassicAW, where the old timers can have
everything the way they want it, meanwhile _everything_ in AW is kept
there and all new options are enabled. All that ClassicAW is would be a
world that you took a propdump of one day and just left it for antiquity
sake. If people really needed it to be "like the good old days." Or,
on the same leaf, take the name NewAW and take a propdump and move it
there and turn on all features.

> Let us know what you think AW should have and then we can rebutt or agree.

How's that? :) I hope it's good.

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--Bowen--
http://bowen.homelinux.com
Give me ideas.

Nov 5, 2003, 4:44pm

[View Quote] I'm kind of wondering what you think the appeal is. Obviously one of those
appeals is building.

>
> b. What is the 15 minute scheme rotation?

It was that time several years ago when we first got lighting and fog.
World managers were playing around with it so much that people complained.
(Though I kind of liked it) It wasn't so much on a schedule as that it was
done so often.

>
> c. Why when a vote was taken was there only about 30 votes?

How many people read these newsgroups or visit the website once they have
downloaded the browser? It sounds to me like word didn't really get out
there. Course I could be wrong. There's no community feel around here
anymore, so why would people feel the need to vote? Just like American
politics. In anycase, community involvement needs to be stimulated.

>
> d. Why do you insist there is some correlation between AW and NewAW? NewAW
> is an entirely different project (in some ways a prototype) and one from
> which most developement of 3.4 and 3.5 came from. Many of the ideas
started
> in NewAW were things which have been on the wishlist for YEARS and have
now
> been incorporated in the client!

It is because you have done nothing community-oriented in Alphaworld since
before development on NewAW began. Comit's point is that it looks like you
are neglecting holding community events and bolstering any fan support you
have in favor of whatever you have deemed as the purpose of NewAW. Can you
not support both?

>
> e. Are you sure there was a plan to revamp AWGZ?

If there wasn't there should be a plan to revamp not just AW GZ, but the
surrounding area within twenty coordinates of GZ (sans builds now under
control of AWHS). In fact a cool community oriented idea would be to wipe
that area clean every few months and hold a building contest of some sort.
Prizes don't have to be awarded. Just building near GZ is prize in itself.
The original area can be dumped into AWGZ world with dates preserved so the
history buffs don't get quite so upset.

At the very least appoint a task force to destroy the vandalism and cover
the ground.

>
> f. You don't remember that people were upset when the new avatars got
> added? This was not when "only Cy" existed but was years later.

Ah, the AW Amish. :)

>
> g. What are the features still to be unlocked? It was my understanding
that
> tourists are allowed and 3Axis rotation is also. What would you like?

More community-oriented events that the company holds and involvement from
you and your employees. Features don't make the world go round, and they're
nice, but it would be better to have an involved upper management. I think
that would stimulate community involvement from your users.


>
> h. You feel that a rate hike was done and a promise was made that
AlphaWorld
> was then going to be improved?

AW in general was going to be improved was the feeling I got.

>
>
> Let us know what you think AW should have and then we can rebutt or agree.
>
> E

Nov 5, 2003, 4:49pm

I usually do not do this but this time I will answer inline........see below.....these are of course MY opinions and are spewed as such.

Leo :)

[View Quote] Read what he typed a little closer....it's the security....the fact that what you build will remain for years and not be wiped out by a "world rebuild" or the world simply closes.

>
> b. What is the 15 minute scheme rotation?

Not 100% sure on this but i remember AW changine the freak'in weather and skuy every few minutes as some kind of "weather system" Pretty lame actually.

>
> c. Why when a vote was taken was there only about 30 votes?

Main problem with AWI no communication link between staff and customers.

>
> d. Why do you insist there is some correlation between AW and NewAW? NewAW
> is an entirely different project (in some ways a prototype) and one from
> which most developement of 3.4 and 3.5 came from. Many of the ideas started
> in NewAW were things which have been on the wishlist for YEARS and have now
> been incorporated in the client!

His point is spend as much time investigating Alpha World as you do with other worlds...you give the impression that Alpha is dieing....see point "a." above

>
> e. Are you sure there was a plan to revamp AWGZ?

I also heard this mentioned more than once.

>
> f. You don't remember that people were upset when the new avatars got
> added? This was not when "only Cy" existed but was years later.

Not so much the "adding avatars" that got people upset as much as "improving" of the good old standard.....one that comes to mind is the "butch" avatar.....why make him look all art deco and all? NEW avatars are always welcomed....not changes to ones we love. ie old CY. you did not learn from this?

>
> g. What are the features still to be unlocked? It was my understanding that
> tourists are allowed and 3Axis rotation is also. What would you like?

NEW features not a stagnate world and objects.

>
> h. You feel that a rate hike was done and a promise was made that AlphaWorld
> was then going to be improved?

After a rate hike and we see no improvement in the "staple world" Alpha World....this is a signal that you intend to let Alpah World die.... the only world that should be here to stay.

>
>
> Let us know what you think AW should have and then we can rebutt or agree.
>
> E

Not sure what the big deal is with all the "dark worlds" lighten things up a bit and make them more welcoming....GOTHIC is not the "in thing to do".. Alpha World Rocks!

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>
>
>
>
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Nov 5, 2003, 5:02pm

a. rereading.... "security"? I don't get it. DO you think AW is in danger
of being shutdown, wiped, changed?

b. not sure either. sounds like a one day experiment with a TOD bot

c. the UNIVERSE message was pointed at the vote page for a couple weeks

d. I have never given that impression or felt that way

e. I have heard it mentioned but have never "planned" on it - and as far as
I have seen noone has a concrete plan on how to change it

f. New avs you want? Sounds good to me, remember back in the old days
though, before broadband, every av, every seq was a huge dl... and AW was
the universe GZ Newbies could sit there for 10 minutes and see only
triangles we had to replace not append

g. NEW FEATURES? like...?

h. huh? see d.

..... all the "dark worlds"?


E


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Nov 5, 2003, 5:10pm

a. building

b. ok so it was an experiment that failed

c. the UNIVERSE message pointed at the vote page for weeks

d. I don't recall the community events held in AW ever, at least not ones
AWI set up

e. interesting

f. any av as long as it's gray ;)

g. if the community wants to hold events how can we help?

h. the software has improved in my opinion... and not just for WO's


E


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Nov 5, 2003, 5:11pm

In regards to answer A, Binarybud is saying that it's the fact that he
doesn't think it will ever be shut down or wiped that makes AW have appeal
to folks who want to have their builds last a long time.

Chris

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Nov 5, 2003, 5:18pm

a. ok, but not JUST towns right?

b. me either unless it was testing a new feature

c. the UNI message pointed at a vote page for weeks

d. what features???

e. might be fun

f. New avs you want? Sounds good to me, remember back in the old days
though, before broadband, every av, every seq was a huge dl... and AW was
the universe GZ Newbies could sit there for 10 minutes and see only
triangles we had to replace not append

g. 3Axis rotation has been in for AW_LONG_TIME! Tourist has been enabled
for MONTHS Which special commands?

Terrain will never be an option, AW is huge and many builds will just
disappear with terrain enabled as objects are often below 0.0A same with
water

h. I always thought that AW was a platform that allowed users to do
whatever they thought best and most enjoyable to them. It was never our
intention to create community, that's up to the people that make the
community up




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Nov 5, 2003, 5:20pm

but AW isn't going anywhere (and a lot of people might not want it changed)


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Nov 5, 2003, 5:42pm

[View Quote] Because if you want to host your own community, you only have a few options.
One being a pretty small one in a private world, one in AWTeen which isn't a
public world, or the public worlds like AW. That's just an example there
are other things like large scale projects.


> b. What is the 15 minute scheme rotation?

This was discussed in an earlier NG thread. Every 15 to 30 minutes to
environment would change. Stuff like changing the fog (to the point where
it's hard to build), and lighting (also making it hard to build). While
some of the evironmential changes were nice, a lot were not, and we don't
want them that frequent O_o

> c. Why when a vote was taken was there only about 30 votes?

When was this? Surely someone from the SW City community would have
informed us if they saw it. If there really was one, why wasn't the url
simply put in the world message?

> d. Why do you insist there is some correlation between AW and NewAW? NewAW
> is an entirely different project (in some ways a prototype) and one from
> which most developement of 3.4 and 3.5 came from. Many of the ideas
started
> in NewAW were things which have been on the wishlist for YEARS and have
now
> been incorporated in the client!

Chris and Bowen covered that well...

> e. Are you sure there was a plan to revamp AWGZ?

Very sure. Did you ask Moutian Myst? It was before the price hikes so no
suprise if she forgot. Basically Duskbat was working with MM to revamp the
GZ, and I just so happened to be talking to Duskbat one night about GZ and
he brought this up and invited me to help him out.

> f. You don't remember that people were upset when the new avatars got
> added? This was not when "only Cy" existed but was years later.

Well those old avatars *did* need to be updated, I mean look at them now
lol. As I said, a few people can get quite attached, but let me ask you
this. How many were there? Compare that to the userbase at the time, and
do a percentage check. Hmmm. A few angry people can make a lot of noise.

> g. What are the features still to be unlocked? It was my understanding
that
> tourists are allowed and 3Axis rotation is also. What would you like?

This isn't for me to answer, this is what a [well advertised] feature vote
is for. Some ideas of what you could include on it: special commands, sky
box, seasonal theme changes, cell space, avatars. Those are just features
though. Then there are objects. For this, either use more objects that AWI
owns or set up an object submission program that Factor was planning. All
you need is a few people to check for encroachment issues and quality
control, and access to the OP of course. Personally I'd really like to see
some simple shape objects. I mean it's 2003 and we don't even have a simple
small sphere objects. The only spheres we got are attached to poles and
stuff.
It would also be nice to lessen the strain required to host events. Like in
SW City, we have to struggle with so much advertising to get a half-way
desent crowd for events. We need an advertisement organization that has
control of the world message. The a new GZ would benefit from easily
viewable events center. Sure you can already advertise on those billboards
at GZ, but I don't think most people know how to go about doing this and its
a slow progress anyway.
And there's nothing stoppping AWI from hosting their own events. You guys
are sure to draw a big crowd. Things like this helps keep the community
going.
As for the tourists, you were giving us back half of an old feature, so I
don't count that as relevant.

> h. You feel that a rate hike was done and a promise was made that
AlphaWorld
> was then going to be improved?

Being as how AW is an ever going chat room it's very hard to dig up this
information let alone prove it happened. I do remember talking to Flagg for
quite a long time the day of the hikes, and he kinda shut me up when he said
how Alphaworld could benefit from the revenues. If it weren't for SW City,
I would have left AW because for the cost, there's better stuff out there.
This wouldn't be the case if there was something to look forward to. Right
now I know Alphaworld is going to be the same day after day and there
probably won't be any change to it made for a year, which is exactly what
happens...two years now, and only 2 things have happened. The mass object
submission and 3d axis. If the world lived up to the browser's name, Active
Worlds, and was active, I wouldn't feel the same about it.

On the business side of things, my rant does not pertain to getting new
users to AW, that's a whole different ballpark. My rant is about *keeping*
your current userbase, which is what you need to do before trying to attract
new ones. Right now I see AWI doing whatever they can think of to attract
new users which is great and all but useless if you can't keep your current
users interested for very long.

Nov 5, 2003, 5:51pm

I think that is what Binarybud said and is what he said was a major appeal
factor of Alpha World.

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Nov 5, 2003, 5:55pm

> On the business side of things, my rant does not pertain to getting new
> users to AW, that's a whole different ballpark. My rant is about
*keeping*
> your current userbase, which is what you need to do before trying to
attract
> new ones. Right now I see AWI doing whatever they can think of to attract
> new users which is great and all but useless if you can't keep your
current
> users interested for very long.

Yup, like me and most of my AW friends.

Nov 5, 2003, 5:57pm

that will never change ;)



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Nov 5, 2003, 6:04pm

> c. the UNIVERSE message was pointed at the vote page for a couple weeks

Enzo you keep saying that. You may have requested it, but are you so sure
that it happened? Surely someone here can verify if this happened since it
was a universe message.

Nov 5, 2003, 6:16pm

Thanx for listening ENZO and thanx for the replys also....We appreciate your time.


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Nov 5, 2003, 7:00pm

Well I think what we're just trying to say is that you should just *add* to
AW. Adding isn't really the same as changing what's there. If you add in
move and rotate, then all of a sudden old buildings aren't going to look
like (pardon my French) crap, like what happened back when the animate
command changed, along with those new textures. And personally to counter to
the "lot" of peope who don't want it changed, there are a "lot" who do. But
we're not asking you, E N Z O, to go through and totally wipe AWGZ and
rebuild it, or change the textures again, we (at least I, don't know about
the rest of the folks) just want some more things like the special commands
(move and rotate), a few more objects (that object submission program
actually would be a good idea, you know), and maybe AWI can make some
building contests in AlphaWorld. You've got enough room for them anyways :)
Just some stuff to liven the place up a bit.

But about AWGZ (this is going off-topic, my bad :P), I think what you should
do is propdump the existing one for prosperity's sake, and then change it
around to make it look more asthetically pleasing, and to also show off the
true potential of AlphaWorld. If I'm a tourist and I see the current open
brick space I'm just going to think of AlphaWorld as a place to chat, but if
I see a cool-looking building with all sorts of interactive, moving,
rotating things that looks really cool then I'll say "wow! this is neat!"
and register. Frankly I don't see waht the big fuss is with changing a GZ, I
mean, AWI changed AWGate to make it look better, in my city we change around
the town square to make it look better...change is just a part of life.

-CMM

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Nov 5, 2003, 7:12pm

I just want to say THANKYOU ENZO for pointing out that terrain is
slightly higer than ground.rwx. Some people have been crying out for
terrin in AlphaWorld for a while, but can't they see what problems it
caused in AWTeen? Pre-terrain floors overlap with the terrain.


Here's my personal list of what I want to see in AW:

some new objects and textures - but DON'T overwrite!! like when those
objects were added in January... wow that was a MESS. It took many
emails from me to get most of the textures back to normal. At least one
still isn't right. I mean, what do you guys use to UPLOAD?

special commands - now we have 3 axis, which can be used to vandalise,
we might as well add special commands in too...


I don't want to see a skybox or anything. Leave the pretty skyboxes for
non-historic worlds. If GZ was to be revamped I would suggest doing it
by adding custom-made z-objects, but make sure the current one is given
a world (maybe AWGZ2?) to keep AWHS lovers happy.

[View Quote] > a. ok, but not JUST towns right?
>
> b. me either unless it was testing a new feature
>
> c. the UNI message pointed at a vote page for weeks
>
> d. what features???
>
> e. might be fun
>
> f. New avs you want? Sounds good to me, remember back in the old days
> though, before broadband, every av, every seq was a huge dl... and AW
> was the universe GZ Newbies could sit there for 10 minutes and see
> only triangles we had to replace not append
>
> g. 3Axis rotation has been in for AW_LONG_TIME! Tourist has been
> enabled for MONTHS Which special commands?
>
> Terrain will never be an option, AW is huge and many builds will just
> disappear with terrain enabled as objects are often below 0.0A
> same with water
>
> h. I always thought that AW was a platform that allowed users to do
> whatever they thought best and most enjoyable to them. It was never
> our intention to create community, that's up to the people that make
> the community up
>
>
>
>
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Nov 5, 2003, 7:18pm

What about a way to "hack" the terrain (for AlphaWorld only) to move it
down so it would be "level" with the current AlphaWorld ground
plane/floor? People that want terrain could get it and it wouldn't go
through or overlap on current buildings.

Builderz
http://www.3dhost.net

[View Quote] > I just want to say THANKYOU ENZO for pointing out that terrain is
> slightly higer than ground.rwx. Some people have been crying out for
> terrin in AlphaWorld for a while, but can't they see what problems it
> caused in AWTeen? Pre-terrain floors overlap with the terrain.

Nov 5, 2003, 7:23pm

What I'd like to see for Alpha ...

add some moving clouds ..
put a sun corona in there...
please, please, please ..put a skybox or sky colors in ..all backdrops
mess up for me and it really ruins the asthetics of it all ..and besides
which ..I can only stare at those mountains for so long before wanting a
change lol

there ya go ...those are the features ..well ..the features I want anyway

Ryan

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Nov 5, 2003, 7:27pm

E N Z O if your answering the NG's for a bit... Can I run AWI for a bit? :)

- Mark

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Nov 5, 2003, 7:32pm

Yea AW is owned by AWI... or they could use a bot connected locally... :-S

~John

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