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Oct 22, 2003, 2:16am

Actually, the argument that SW Chris made is very logical. Consider the following probabilities...

(1.) If a person was guilty and proud of it, then that person would most likely not claim to be innocent.

(2.) If a person was guilty and ashamed of it, then that person would most likely try to keep quiet about the situation if possible, and I was told when they jailed me that if I said I was guilty the time they already had me locked up for would most likely have been all the time I would serve. In fact, that is exactly the offer I was given when I went to court on the 14th, and I chose the alternative.

Consider also, the fact that I not only have been very open publicly about what happened and what I was accused of, but I also tried very hard to get the police to look into my story while they had me locked up. I just wanted to go home. I was tired, and had volunteer work scheduled for the following day. While other people were trying to tell the police that they had no right to investigate them, I was trying to get the police to investigate me further. I wanted them to learn the truth, because the truth was exactly as I said it was. I did not do anything wrong. I was simply being helpful. Unfortunately, they wouldn't lift a finger to look into it. Of course, I don't hold that against them, because I do realize that I was something entirely foreign to their experiences, but I do hope that they will come away from the encounter with slightly more open minds.

There were no TV news cameras aimed at me. There was no crime victim. Nobody was hurt. There was no evidence of a crime, because there was no vrime for there to be any evidence of. I was simply giving food to someone who had asked about food earlier, and ended up in jail because the police misinterpreted my actions. In fact, while I was in jail, one of the police officers told me that they knew I had not actually broken the law, but that the reason I was arrested was because I would have broken the law if they hadn't arrested me. Well, even if that were true it would have been impossible for them to prove, and I could have simply kept silent and let them attempt to do the impossible. Sure, a crooked cop could have chosen to plant evidence, or try to get someone to lie on the stand, and might even have felt justified in doing so if this were a murder trial and they really believed me to be guilty, but why would they bother when they know I'm innocent and they didn't even feel that the crime I was accused of "almost" committing would have been wrong to commit? I've been accused of a crime that from what I have seen and heard while I was locked up (and since then) the police think of as an every day activity that everybody does and a certain number of people have to be arrested for in order to bring in revenue for the city and keep the law enforcement personel gainfully employed. It's not about right and wrong, from what they told me. It's about legislation. (I didn't understand that part, but perhaps it will make sense to you, or someone reading this.) I just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and fit the general physical description of some category of person that tends to get arrested for the crime that at least one police officer involved aparently felt I was about to commit. They're expected to arrest a certain number of people for that crime and, even though I'm innocent, I count as one.

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Oct 22, 2003, 2:33am

Yes, it appears that money is what it's all really about. I did finally get ahold of an attorney, but he said that he only handles divorces. He was nice enough to get another attorney to phone me, but that one said goodbye and good luck as soon as I told him that $750 was an awful lot of money on my income and not something that I could easily come up with. I didn't even get to ask any of the questions I had been hoping to ask. Really short phone conversation. Of course, I don't hold it against him. After all... it's his job, not his hobby. Still, I think it's a shame that probably pretty much everyone knows that, once accused of a crime, it tends to be much more likely for a poor innocent person to be found guilty than a rich guilty person.

I just hope I can get a public defender who cares about truth and justice.

TechnoZeus

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Oct 22, 2003, 9:41am

True, $750 is a LOT of strain on the ole wallet. I've learned over the years
(was married to an attorney hehehe) that a LOT of that money is for court
fees and additional staff. True, some of it goes towards the attorney. In
light of your situation however, I would consider that price pretty cheap.
Its much more expensive to bail someone out of jail than to hire an attorney
to defend ya. Over the past 4 years, I've had to bail out a brother and lend
money to my parents who bailed out another one. In both cases it was well
over $3000. When I needed an attorney for my divorce it would have been
over $500 just for filing fees and to retain the attorney for a month.
Things in litigation rarely take only a month, since the filing and
paperwork usually take about that long to prepare, mail out and get signed
and returned, etc. The paperwork usually doesn't stop at the attorney's desk
and stay there. It gets mailed or faxed out to different locations. Usually
in the states it's the courthouse, and then goes on to different offices
within the courthouse before it finally gets sent back to the attorney. In
the meantime if there is anything within the paperwork that needs correcting
or changing, it takes even longer because then they have to send it back to
the attorney who then has to contact you and make the necessary corrections
and send it back to the courthouse again, etc etc. Thus, there are usually
more than one person who needs to be payed for their involvement in the
case. (Thank goodness my ex payed for the divorce, since it all took about 5
months and cost over $3000 in the end, not including Notary fees). My point
is.... $750 is a great deal for a defense attorney hon. Dunno if that
includes the price of court costs, but its a far cry from having to pay out
$3000 or more to get yerself bailed out of jail. And yes, Virginia, there
really ARE some attorneys who care. ;-"D


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Oct 22, 2003, 4:07pm

Oh, I absolutely agree with you, that $750 would be cheap, for an attorney. It's just a lot of money for someone on my current income. My second divorce was over years ago, and I'll be paying for that as long as I live in ways that make money seem unimportant... plus, I have spent years working on paying off a $2000 debt. Besides that, I don't know whether the $750 was supposed to cover everything, or just the initial retainer. It doesn't matter, because I simply can't afford it. Might as well be $50000000000 from that perspective.

TechnoZeus

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Oct 22, 2003, 5:25pm

Aren't you entitled to an attorney and if you do not have one one will be
appointed for you?

E


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Oct 22, 2003, 6:47pm

yes he is enzo but TZ seems to have a hard time knowing things like all
this airing dirty laundry is NOT "helping" aw or his case like one
doesn't pick up strangers and just offer to "help" like what a prostitute
looks like sigh TZ I just hope if you end up in jail you have
learned not to "help" others so much or you are in for a big BIG awakening
.........................


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Oct 22, 2003, 6:59pm

This is the most ridiculous thing I have seen you post linn(and I've seen them all)......TZ has a heart of gold, and your telling him to "harden up" or he's in trouble. You need to understand what a good human being is like. You've been "hardened" by what YOU have learned in life why should others "be like you"?


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Oct 22, 2003, 7:01pm

bud it was just my opinion just like yours so stuff it and don't flame me
we do NOT know the truth if we were not there




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Oct 22, 2003, 7:04pm

And while your'e at it maybe a lil bit of rodent repellent spread around
might help:)

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Oct 22, 2003, 7:06pm

and further more TZ is not dumb as you portray him. Do you think for a second that TZ would do this again without giving it a second thought? ( which in itself is sad to think he might hesitate to help someone next time. ) I have no doubts he has learned a lot from this.....mostly just how cruel the world can be...people like you included.

I hope TZ NEVER learns to NOT help people in need. The world needs more TZ's!!!


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Oct 22, 2003, 7:07pm

If I may say this:

If you are approaching a trial by jury it is inappropriate to publish
graphical details of any offence on a publicly accessed media, let alone a
web site. As this can be seen as trying to influence a jury or even call for
a miss trial. Who is to say the Judge has not read the details?

Any trial has to be on facts and evidence presented and prepared correctly,
then any mitigation taken into account.

But you def don't go publishing details leading up to any trial about the
fine details in case as mentioned it is seen as trying to influence
witnesses, therefore you have a more serious position of trying to influence
a witness before a trial.




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Oct 22, 2003, 7:09pm

Hey Binary:)

I have seen many many people give till it hurts. The hurting part comes
from those that have never been their, so they are ignorant. And we all know
what ignorance breeds:(




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Oct 22, 2003, 7:12pm

If it is a criminal trial, the government is REQUIRED to appoint an attorney
for you if one is required. Take your case to the supreme court if they
don't.

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Oct 22, 2003, 7:13pm

Yes, he is I belive

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-.Duo. (342836)

Oct 22, 2003, 7:22pm

Possibly... But at this point I have to agree... the only thing he is doing
in here is putting himself out.. I dare say if we could all be character
witnesses, we would... but we can't unless they accept EMail's...

But we all feel sorry for the prediciment he is in... but honestly... we
know about it, we have made our comments, offered our advice... I honestly
cant see how we can help futher..

- Mark


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Oct 28, 2003, 8:31am

Technozeus, I can only say that I think if I were in your situation that I
would try talking to the D.A. and Attorney General where you live and
explain the situation and see what if any help they might can give you or
advice and if you do local charity help then tell them that and that they
can contact whomever you know locally who can vouch for your character and
maybe they can tell you better how to proceed or maybe even intercede on
your behalf ( like especially if you are a church member and could get your
pastor/preacher/whatever to talk to your D.A. or Attorney General with you).
Just a thought.

Paul


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Oct 30, 2003, 3:54am

Yes, ENZO, you are correct. Unfortunately, the way they work it there, I couldn't get an attorney until the case actually went to court. That means I had no time to prepare at all. When I went to court the first time, I had an attorney long enough to be asked whether I wanted to enter a plea of guilty or have the hearing moved to another court. Since I had done nothing wrong, I opted for the second choice. As soon as I did that, I no longer had an attorney, because the case was no longer being handled by the same court. When I went to the second court, I was assigned an attorney right away, and then the case was dismissed before I had a chance to talk with the attorney. Of course, once the case was dismissed, I again no longer had an attorney. Now, they have 120 days durring which they can re-open the case, if they choose to, so that gives them 120 days durring which they "could" try to build a case against me even though once again I have no legal representation, but I'm not worried at this point because if they were going to play dirty and try to fabricate evidence out of thin air, I think they would already have done so.

Of course, I still have to go back to Chicago after the 120 days is up, in order to have this mess expunged, and that's going to cost me too.

TechnoZeus

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Oct 30, 2003, 1:18pm

There was no offense.

TZ

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Oct 30, 2003, 5:13pm

or maybe you should have listened when they read your rights to you you
can get a FREE lawyer so give up this poor me I need money don't we
all!!!


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Oct 30, 2003, 5:31pm

my god lady, you are lame. And not very compassionate.


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Oct 30, 2003, 5:37pm

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Oct 30, 2003, 5:39pm

Just like some time ago when certain people drove Linn to a hospital bed!


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Oct 30, 2003, 5:48pm

Tell linn to keep her asinine comments to herself and guess what.....we won't talk to her.
When she says inconsiderate things like this she will get inconsiderate responses in return.
This does not take a rocket scientist to figure out.



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Oct 30, 2003, 5:55pm

Try the ignore facility it works wonders. that is unless you want to read a
members input



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Oct 30, 2003, 6:03pm

[View Quote] > Tell linn to keep her asinine comments to herself and guess what.....we won't talk to her.
> When she says inconsiderate things like this she will get inconsiderate responses in return.
> This does not take a rocket scientist to figure out.

Wasn't she the one with the odd facination with communist China?

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http://bowen.homelinux.com
Give me ideas.

Oct 30, 2003, 6:06pm

You have no social perspective taking skills... at all.

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Oct 30, 2003, 6:10pm

Think you have wrong person there Bowen


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Oct 30, 2003, 6:50pm

Why don't you consider giving up your need to hurt others at all costs? I'm not asking for money. As a matter of fact, I was strongly encouraged to open up a Pay-Pal account and set up a donations button to help with the expenses caused by all of this, and I passed on the opportunity, because as much as I do need it, I'm not comfortable with asking. Furthermore, they never read my rights to me, so feel free to stop making so many assumptions. You weren't there. I was.

TechnoZeus



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Oct 30, 2003, 6:55pm

Sometimes when we are extremely upset about something we don't catch
everything that is explained to us. I know if I was in his shoes my head
would be spinning. If I remember correctly TZ lives in another state. Dunno
if you noticed gas prices lately, but speaking from experience, when yer
broke, you worry about every cent. And when you are involved in an out of
state dispute and don't have the money for a motel or hotel, and sometimes
it can take several days of hearings and meetings, you have to drive back
and forth many times. You would also need money for food since you would
have no way of cooking if you do stay at a motel or hotel, and if yer
traveling from home, you won't have much chance to go shopping or cook since
you would be on the road most of the time. There are numerous expenses when
traveling a distance for something like this. And if it is in downtown
Chicago, there are also parking expenses for either meters or parking decks.
Sure the attorney is free, but that's it. If someone is only earning
disability, they don't have $20 every day to shell out for gas, food,
parking and/or sleeping arrangements. And lord knows how long something like
this "could" have taken. Like he said, he still needs to go back. Who knows
how long this will drag out. And I don't remember TZ asking for money. He
does however need our support and prayers. So,........... for one of us to
cop an attitude (no pun intended), it won't benefit him in any way. 0_0


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Oct 30, 2003, 8:24pm

I was accused of being one of those "certain people".
I personally didn't care that I got pinned with that accusation (since I
knew better:), however I was concerned that a person would think more of
being in AW than for their own health, and well being.
I recently heard of another AW citizen that AW caused to be in the hospital
cause of the stress.
Dumbfounds me to no end.


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