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Oct 16, 2003, 3:33pm

Anyone that knows TZ, and would like to help, please contact him.

Oct 16, 2003, 5:46pm

Would this have anything to do with a overly-formal spam telegram to go help
his cause on some website forum or another?

- Mark R

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Oct 17, 2003, 12:46pm

does it matter to you?

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Oct 17, 2003, 2:39pm

"binarybud" <leo at realPANTStourvision.com> wrote in news:3f8ed656$1
at server1.Activeworlds.com:

> Anyone that knows TZ, and would like to help, please contact him.

How? Telegram?

KAH

Oct 17, 2003, 2:45pm

yes please that would help


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Oct 17, 2003, 4:02pm

Not really... but thats the only way TZ seems to speak recently...

- Mark

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Oct 17, 2003, 4:31pm

yea I hear ya.... he's got a lot on his plate right now...:(

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Oct 18, 2003, 2:58am

HOW can one help?

Oct 18, 2003, 4:43am

Telegram from TechnoZeus, sent Fri Oct 17, 2003 4:20 PM:
I don't suppose there is anything that anyone can do to help, but I
appreciate the concern. I've been falsely accused of breaking the law, and
at this point I've decided there's no way I can defend myself, so the next
time I go back to Chicago for court, I'll just have to see what happens.
There's no way I can afford to do this right, and even if I could...there's
no way for me to fight and win if the system is crooked...so either they
will admit that they made a mistake and correct it...or I will be convicted
of something I didn't do.


Just be there for him


LF

Oct 18, 2003, 9:45am

could someone tell the whole story so i know whats going on

Oct 18, 2003, 12:59pm

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Oct 18, 2003, 12:59pm

http://spiraline.com/culturallure/html/modules.php?name=News&file=article&si
d=24

LF

Oct 18, 2003, 1:34pm

Sorry I'm not there to help people in AW lately as much as I used to be, and that I don't say much in there. ActiveWorlds isn't the only place that I spend time trying to help people. It is much safer than the world off-line, but it's only one place and there are people asking for my help in other places also. I started spending less time in AW helping people, because of the fighting that went on some time back. I have stayed out of the newsgroups except to help with conception and testing of new features, because the newsgroups have had too much tendancy to turn into a war zone, and I'm not a fighter.

Unfortunately, no matter how many war zones a person tries to avoid, there are always more. Now I am having to defend myself against accusations, and so far without legal representation. The traveling is more than I can afford, and people in the part of Chicago that I'm having to defend myself in seem to be under the impression that nice people can't exist.

To the people who don't know me well enough to say one way or another for certain what kind of person I am but want to offer help anyway, I would just like to say... thanks for being the kind of person who would do such a thing.

If anyone who really feels they know me well would like to act as a character whitness for me, to prove that I really do exist, I would very much appreciate it. I don't think the courts will pay much attention to any statements that aren't made in person at the trial, but any effort at all would be much appreciated. I'm not asking for help... but in this case I'm also not turning it down.

The comment I posted to that article about being jailed for being too helpful on October 17th gives details about when and where I have to be in court. I know some people are really upset with me for not helping more than I have lately, but the world we live in has made doing so very difficult.

TechnoZeus


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Oct 18, 2003, 3:20pm

Techno,

I am sorry that I cannot help here and hope that you find support
from some AW community members in your area! I only can assure you
that I have no doubt in that what you reported is correct. I lift my
(virtual) hat before such an amount of kindness and expressed humanity!

I am, personally, fully aware that, what happened, is not typical for
the American police system - however, when I turn on the TV here, it is
very likely, that, when reports about the USA police are shown, an
incident like this will be in the report - and make it, for people over
here, rather a "typical" incident.

On one of my visits in the USA, I experienced myself that (at least the
officers who came after me) act first and ask then - making the educated
and "objective" assumption that this here is a rare exception, a bit
questionable <g>.

I hope that, after all, you will experience justice!

KF



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Oct 18, 2003, 4:50pm

All I can say is, WTF? I'm sure that's something BB can agree with me
on. ;)

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http://bowen.homelinux.com
I know you want to join my army.

Oct 18, 2003, 8:50pm

Certainally a bit of a probelm you are now in...

Good old American justice *raises eyebrow* anyway... Yeah you really do seem
to be in a pickle...

I agree with the posts there, you really do need to be a lot more careful
mate... Persons who will do anything for anyone, are usually the easiest to
manipulate.

I think the problem your going to have is people are going to be thinking
that noone is really as helpful as you have stated you are, which is kind of
true, people like that are few and far between...

The benefit you do have however, is that there is no apparent actual
evidence towards your intentions towards her... the benefit of distance also
works on your side, with a lack of local knowledge it is in your benefit
that you would not have known....

Also, "he's a nice guy and I'm not so either answer his questions or you'll
have to deal with me" constitutes a threat of oppression, which breaks some
kinda rule about relations under detainment and questioning... I can't
remember exactly which.

Anyway, good luck to you... If E N Z O hadent deleted the newsgroups your
posts alone would have been enough to prove beyond reasonable doubt your a
help-a-holic.

- Mark
"technozeus" <TechnoZeus at usa.net> wrote
<Snip>

Oct 18, 2003, 9:53pm

TZ, I replied to your thread at that site regarding my thoughts. Here are
some more. I don't think I would ever do what you did the way you did it.
I'm not trying to say that what you did was wrong. But, I have heard
stories from some of our mission pastors about how the homeless, people in
need, should be helped. It really takes someone that has learned where the
appropriate boundaries are. Teams that are well trained and versed ahead of
time about their mission have a greater chance of staying safe. Don't get
me wrong, it's always nice to see someone helping someone. But, if it's
what you really like to do, for your own safety, get the appropriate
training so that you can help many in the safest possible way.

You helped me with an AW feature once. I consider you a community leader.
You shouldn't have much trouble getting the witnesses you need.

Hugs, The Lady

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Oct 19, 2003, 12:54am

I'll have to agree with strike here. A great defense in our legal system is
Intent. Without proving it, they have nothing on you :)

-Mod

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Oct 19, 2003, 12:17pm

TZ, it is very unfortuanate what happened to you. I don't think they have
enough evidence against you (unless the woman is crazy or they pay her off
to say that you 'bought' her). Don't worry if you can't hire someone to
defend you, the government is mandated to hire an attorney for you if you
can't afford one, otherwise it is not a fair trial.

Oh and Strike, don't be a rascist. US law happens to be one of the less
brutal ones. All law is unfair because it's all based on midieval psycology.

--
-.Duo. (342836)

Oct 20, 2003, 1:30am

Actually, the distance works against me and in the favor of the prosicution, because ignorance of the law is no excuse, but traveling costs money. Fortunately, I have looked up the law I was accused of, and know that I did not do anything even remotely breaking it. As for the evidence, or lack thereof, the only whitness would be the girl they arrested along with me, and she knows I'm innocent. Yes, I am concerned about the possibility that they may offer her an incentive to lie against me, but I'm hoping that will not happen. I have done nothing wrong, so it would take a pretty twisted mind in my opinion to stoop to dishonesty in order to get a conviction. All I was doing is being a nice guy. If I am prosecuted dishonestly, I will be found guilty of a crime I did not commit, and there is nothing I can do about it. If I am given a fair trial, they will find that a mistake was made and an innocent man was arrested.

Here's the way the law reads...

(720 ILCS 5/11-15)
Sec. 11-15. Soliciting for a prostitute.
(a) Any person who performs any of the following acts commits
soliciting for a prostitute:
(1) Solicits another for the purpose of prostitution; or
(2) Arranges or offers to arrange a meeting of persons for the
purpose of prostitution; or
(3) Directs another to a place knowing such direction is for
the purpose of prostitution.

http://www.legis.state.il.us/legislation/ilcs/ch720/ch720act5articles/ch720act5Sub16.htm

I did not attempt to obtain, entice, lure or proposition anyone for any purpose. ( For clarification as to why I mentioned those specific acts, see the definition of "solicit" according to Webster.com at http://webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=solicit )

I did not arrange or offer to arrange any meeting for any purpose.

I did not direct any person to any location for any purpose. ( I did ask a few people for directions while I was in Chicago, but not for the purpose of prostitution, and the law says nothing about asking for directions anyway. )

Not only was I not involved in prostitution, but I hadn't even thought of it until the police brought it up. Neither subject had not been discussed between myself and the girl I was accused of soliciting prostitution with, nor between myself any the person I had driven to Chicago, nor between myself and anyone durring my trip to Chicago, nor between myself and anyone durring my time in Chicago, nor between myself and anyone at any point in time between the moment in which I first met the man that I drove to Chicago and the time I got arrested, nor petween myself any anyone at or around the time that I met the man I drove to Chicago. I can safely and honestly state all of this to be an absolute fact without hesitation, because before the police arrested me and accused me of soliciting for prostitution, the subject of prostitution was not something that I had ever spent much time thinking about or discussing with anyone. Also, since I find the idea of selling or buying sex to be revulting, I would not have entered into a discussion about it without strong feelings of disgust. Unfortunately, whether I like it or not, I have to deal with it now. I have nothing against prostitutes, but I do feel bad for those who feel that they must allow themselves to be degraded in such a way, and I feel bad that any prostitute or any other person may ever feel they must participate in the degradation of others in order to earn money for survival. I did not see the girl I was helping as a prostitute. I saw her as a person who had asked about food and may have been hungry and in need.

In case anyone reading this might tnink I haven't made myself clear enough, I will add the following statement of fact: I have "never" done "anything" whatsoever for the purpose of prostitution, nor have I ever taken part in any act or acts of prostitution, nor have I ever intended to take part in any act or acts of prostition, nor would I even consider taking part in an act of prostition.

TechnoZeus

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Oct 20, 2003, 2:28am

And to be honest, if you were truly guilty, you wouldn't be telling us about
it in the first place, or even defending yourself to us who have no say in
your fate. Of course you're telling the truth TZ. :) And I hope that the
court finds that as well.

Chris


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Oct 20, 2003, 3:11am

[View Quote] So... OJ didn't do it because he said he didn't do it?

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Oct 20, 2003, 4:15am

Thanks. I replied to your comments to the article.

reply to comment...
http://spiraline.com/culturallure/html/modules.php?name=News&file=comments&op=showreply&tid=24&sid=24&pid=23&mode=&order=0&thold=0#24

article (for those who are reading this and don't have the URL)...
http://spiraline.com/culturallure/html/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=24&mode=&order=0&thold=0

TechnoZeus

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Oct 20, 2003, 5:23am

Thanks. I hope so too. :)

Yes, you're absolutely right. If I had done what they accused me of, I would have no need to defend myself, because the time they already had me locked up for would have been counted as time served, and that is all the time they would have given me, if I was guilty. Unfortunately, since I am not guilty, and was not willing to lie and say I was guilty, it's not over yet. I have to return to court and defend myself now, and there's a good chance that I will lose in spite of the fact that I have done nothing wrong.

Sticking to the truth allows me to keep my self respect, but it also puts me at risk... so once again I am accepting risk to myself by choosing to do what I feel is right. A lot of people point out to me that they think I should avoid such risk even if it means failing to help someone in need, or not doing what I feel is right. I was reminded about an hour ago that many people accept risks by choosing to do things which endanger not only their own lives, but the lives of others as well... and which don't help anyone... so at least the risks I accept are for a good cause.

TechnoZeus


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Oct 20, 2003, 8:05am

Your right, ignorance is never a defense, but ignorance doesn't even come
into question here. Ignorance would be letting the prostitute in the car to
do 'her thing' and then saying you didn't know it was illegal. So the only
remote chance they can find you guilty is if they can prove intent. That you
were meaning to pick her up for a certain reason. Now of course it is almost
impossible to do this. Even if they get the women to lie, just by your
defense that you brought a homeless person all the way to chicago, you
volunteer at a salvation army, and was just looking to help one more person
out, by offering food, you would almost definitly be aquitted right there.
So as long as you can arrange the travel, I am sure that you would even be
able to go into that hearing without a lawyer and still win. The legal
system isn't against you, they almost always give the innocent the benefit
of the doubt :)

Good luck TZ!
-Mod
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Oct 20, 2003, 11:44am

ya, sometimes in works in the favour of the guilty aswell :) $400 comes into
mind :)

-SWE

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Oct 20, 2003, 5:43pm

0_0 now now now don't be hasty

-Mod
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Oct 21, 2003, 2:06am

You totally miss the thrust of my arguements sometimes... :) Clarification:
Odds are in TZ's favor that he didn't do it because he's talking about it to
a bunch of people (us) who never would have known these charges were brought
up had he not told them in the first place, nor would he have taken the time
to write a four page long article detailing what happened when you know that
won't be heard in court. If you're guilty, you just don't do that.

Chris


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Oct 21, 2003, 5:53pm

[View Quote] You must not be around too many people convicted of crimes. I would
write a four page long article detailing why I Didn't do it rather than
become bubba's new "friend".

It's not that I missed the thrust of it, it's that you said it in the
wrong scope. But, whatever.

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Oct 22, 2003, 1:48am

Ok, well, no problem.

Chris

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