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Jan 17, 2003, 6:09pm

can anyone tell me why the events start at 5am eastern time? isnt that a
bit.....ummm.... idiotic? i mean most people who use AW are in the US not to
mention awcom's HQ is in boston.... not to mention 5am eastern is about 2am
in CA....

Jan 17, 2003, 6:50pm

No most people ain't, so don't even start this!

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Jan 17, 2003, 7:26pm

uh yes most people are from the US... *starts this*


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Jan 17, 2003, 7:41pm

... yes ihnk is right.. most are from the usa..

-Gc
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Jan 17, 2003, 8:00pm

It's difficult to put an all day event into a VRT day when you're starting
the day at around 6pm VRT to satisfy Americans. lol. It's a fair tradeoff
because Europeans and Africans (which make up a LARGE amount of AW also)
will be staying up to extreme if they want to catch events at the end of the
day. Don't get me started on those poor Aussies.

Or...the event organizers are from a different time zone and you can't have
a party if the host is passed out in bed. :)

--
From the Newbie's Guide to the AW NG v. 4.0:

"Nornny - Creator of the LSD-enduced trip known as Newsgroup Survivor, this
guy's another one that can be filed under the "Tries Too Hard" category,
except instead of getting people to hate him, he apparently wants people to
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Jan 17, 2003, 8:09pm

but its rediculous to start an event at 2am so that a minority of people can
start at a comfy time


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Jan 17, 2003, 9:16pm

Don't call a MAJJORITY "minority"!
AW does NOT revolve around the usa.

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Jan 17, 2003, 9:19pm

You'll find the figures suprising. There is probably an equal or greater
amount of people who live outside the USA than inside the USA that use AW.

The US definately has the highest user population for a nation - but there
are many other nations outside it that have a lot of AW users.

UK, Australia, Poland, Austria, Scandanavia and basically anywhere else in
Europe. Plus many others like Japan and Libya.

Put it all together that is hardly what one could call a minority - its a
compromise, but of course, with all compromises the end result pleases no
one.

I try a bit of positive discrimination with my events - sometimes to please
people from my home country ( the UK) and sometimes to please the US
residents and other countries, i don't mind staying up to all hours of the
night occasionally. Plus - working for AWTeen, a lot of people have liited
weekend commitments.

Just my two cents.

Jan 17, 2003, 9:45pm

[View Quote] Well I would definately say US is # 1 on the population majority of AW.

--Bowen--

Jan 17, 2003, 10:16pm

there can be a time where both the US and UK and some of europe have a comfy
time to start, however 2am in the US is truly ridiculous.... of course im
sure pippin loves it when people come in speaking french, german and
spanish. this event should be based on the times of the US and the UK
mainly, since both combined whould take up about 80% of the aw populous


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Jan 17, 2003, 10:17pm

even if the US takes up about 40% of aw (which it doesnt, id say rougly 60%)
other countries whould be far less... like UK 15% spain 10% france 5% and so
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Jan 17, 2003, 10:26pm

does anyone here REALLY care ? sheesh........


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Jan 17, 2003, 11:46pm

uk spain france italy, all the same timezone +-1
use utc time then

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Jan 17, 2003, 11:48pm

DONT DISS THE AUSTRALIANS, ITALIANS AND EVERYONE ELS!
BACK OFF WITH YOUR MINORITY COUNTRY, NO ONE EVEN CARES AT ALL ABOUT IT

#END OF DISCUSSION#

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Jan 17, 2003, 11:52pm

[View Quote] Amazing how you threw Italians in there. The point of events is to get the maximum
turn-outs, honestly, that's best done by picking a time inbetween US and UK as it
would yield the most people. As you argued earlier the timezones between the UK and
the rest of Europe isn't very much. So I would say EST+2 would be a great time for
maximum turnout events.

--Bowen--

Jan 17, 2003, 11:56pm

why not est+3 then? as in vrt, its exactly in the middle

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Jan 18, 2003, 12:05am

[View Quote] Sure, but the US is larger than just the East coast... I was trying to include them
as well. It's relatively hard for people on the West coast to attend VRT oriented
events sometimes. As you can imagine, that's quite a time difference.

--Bowen--

Jan 18, 2003, 12:08am

The Cys usually run at 9pm vrt which after doing a Community survey proved
to be the best for the majority.
The fact that the AWCC Festival starts on a Saturday might be the problem?
Because it has to run all day for 2 days to have all the events?
Maybe next year we can start the grand opening on a Friday night and run the
entire event until Sunday night?
Whatcha'll think?:)
Input greatly appreciated as usual:)
Hugggs:)
bit:)

Jan 18, 2003, 12:08am

He is talking about the west coast......dude, don't forget Russia, China,
Australia, Japan, Brunei, Papua New Guinea, Korea etc.

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Jan 18, 2003, 12:13am

[View Quote] The population from those areas is relatively low in comparison to the US and Europe.
Australia might be equal to the total from all of those countries. And those that
want to attend the events will be even smaller than the total popluation. Therefore
it'd be stupid to try and make it accessable to that extreme when your aiming for the
_MAXIMUM_ turnout possible. I would estimate, as ihnk said, that US and Europe makes
at least 80% of AW's VR population.

2 am EST is better for the West coast than the East coast. I'm guessing 2 am EST
events is aimed towards Australia. Since they don't want the maximum turnout
possible, it's not at a better time.

--Bowen--

Jan 18, 2003, 12:26am

you know i dont like calling people stupid but your tempting me..... it is
IMPOSSIBLE to hold an event which whould include all countries, because
there is a 12 hour diffrent between some parts of the us and some parts of
austrelia and china.... like bowen pointed out most of the population reside
in the UK and the USA. even if it wasent the world was made for english
speaking people which whould NOT include most europian countries.

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Jan 18, 2003, 12:29am

You are dumb to believe the world was made for english speaking ppl, UK is
NOT europe, UK is just a little tiny part of it, so stuff it.

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Jan 18, 2003, 12:42am

[View Quote] I think UK and Germany make up majority of European population on AW.

--Bowen--

Jan 18, 2003, 12:42am

ok my IQ is dropping just listening to your babble. First off i did not say
the world was made for english speaking people. i said AWEC world was. i was
there and all the words were in english.... and why are u so defensive? and
IMHO the world SHOULD have one common language. not english tho its too
confusing and has too many words... but thats not the point.


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Jan 18, 2003, 12:57am

[View Quote] Regardless of it's many words it's one of the easiest languages to learn. That
should be true since 25% + of the world speaks it (approx). That's a lot of
people...

I see nothing wrong with English being the universal language. As long as it's not
Ebonics...

--Bowen--

Jan 18, 2003, 1:03am

english is one of the most complex languages in the world. Spanish is easy.
english seems easy since you know it, however when you have to learn it its
tough. Oh and it is so widely used because UK laid claim to most of the
world. and now its because america is so powerful and thus influences alot
of countries (like with buisnesses and such, like they did to hawaii)


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Jan 18, 2003, 1:06am

[View Quote] Most people learn English just because too. It's not really that hard if we were to
compare it to most oriental languages. I'd say English is about a half way point.
Oriental - English | Germanic languages - Latin derivatives

That seems like a nice representation.

--Bowen--

Jan 18, 2003, 1:16am

i want to learn german, beautiful language. but dont comapre english to
oriental languages. those are as old as latin and hiroglyphs at egypt....
for some reason they just didnt feel the need to upgrade their language....
well i dont know there is simplified chinese.... wait a minute what were we
talking about?

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Jan 18, 2003, 1:27am

[View Quote] I don't remember anymore. Eep not having a job?

--Bowen--

Jan 18, 2003, 2:01am

Not quite. Like IHNK pointed out, the only reason English seems so easy
to learn is because you grew up with it. In fact, English is *the*
hardest language to learn simply because it's a mish-mash of Latin and
Germanic languages, among others. Next on the list would be the Oriental
languages, but those are definitely a distant second in terms of
structural complexity.

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Goober King
Creating the language barrier
gooberking at utn.cjb.net

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