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U.S. won't support Net "hate speech" ban (Community)
U.S. won't support Net "hate speech" ban // Community
Nov 15, 2002, 4:27pm
WASHINGTON--The Bush administration said on Friday that it will not support a proposed treaty to restrict "hate speech" on the Internet.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N46523672
FYI
Leo :)
Nov 15, 2002, 5:01pm
That's good to hear, because with some perople saying good morning to them is enough to advocate, promote or incite hatred and discrimination... which means that if they passed a treaty which made it illegal to distribute anything which might cause one of those reactions then either such people would have to be somehow "eliminated" or all communications would have to cease. And I do mean "all" communications, because even a personal note to your closest friend might some day result at least indirectly in such a reaction by somebody someplace on the planet.
TechnoZeus
[View Quote]"binarybud" <leom at knorrinteractive.com> wrote in message news:3dd53c99$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> WASHINGTON--The Bush administration said on Friday that it will not support a proposed treaty to restrict "hate speech" on the Internet.
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> http://makeashorterlink.com/?N46523672
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> FYI
> Leo :)
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Nov 15, 2002, 8:47pm
An identity claiming to be known as "binarybud" <leom at knorrinteractive.com> scribed the following <3dd53c99$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com> in community:
>WASHINGTON--The Bush administration said on Friday that it will not support a proposed treaty to restrict "hate speech" on the Internet.
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>http://makeashorterlink.com/?N46523672
Well this does belong in 'general-discussion' :o)
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Nov 15, 2002, 9:09pm
And besides, how can anyone think they can control the entire Internet?
At best, the US Government can only prevent "hate speech" from being
hosted on US servers.
[View Quote]technozeus wrote:
> That's good to hear, because with some perople saying good morning to them is enough to advocate, promote or incite hatred and discrimination... which means that if they passed a treaty which made it illegal to distribute anything which might cause one of those reactions then either such people would have to be somehow "eliminated" or all communications would have to cease. And I do mean "all" communications, because even a personal note to your closest friend might some day result at least indirectly in such a reaction by somebody someplace on the planet.
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> TechnoZeus
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> "binarybud" <leom at knorrinteractive.com> wrote in message news:3dd53c99$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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Goober King
Hates hate speech legislation...
gooberking at utn.cjb.net
Nov 15, 2002, 11:01pm
Ah thats nice.... Couldent care less because im in the UK like.. but all the same.
Besides, its for the people to sort out, not the idiotic Bush admin that would rather get the world nuked than engage in diplomacy.
- Mark
This Post was writeen after: 2 Bacardi Breezers, 3 Smirnof Ices's, 2 Vodka and Cokes and 1 double vodka shot. So dont take offence if your Bush or 1 of his cronies...
[View Quote]"binarybud" <leom at knorrinteractive.com> wrote in message news:3dd53c99$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> WASHINGTON--The Bush administration said on Friday that it will not support a proposed treaty to restrict "hate speech" on the Internet.
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> http://makeashorterlink.com/?N46523672
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> FYI
> Leo :)
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Nov 15, 2002, 11:24pm
*barf*
[View Quote]"strike rapier" <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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2 Vodka and Cokes and 1 double vodka shot.
Nov 16, 2002, 12:38am
I think you misunderstood the post. The proposal was for a treaty between
many countries. Thus, it wouldn't only be the US who would be dealing with
hate speech.
[View Quote]"goober king" <gooberking at utn.cjb.net> wrote in message
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> And besides, how can anyone think they can control the entire Internet?
> At best, the US Government can only prevent "hate speech" from being
> hosted on US servers.
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> technozeus wrote:
them is enough to advocate, promote or incite hatred and discrimination...
which means that if they passed a treaty which made it illegal to distribute
anything which might cause one of those reactions then either such people
would have to be somehow "eliminated" or all communications would have to
cease. And I do mean "all" communications, because even a personal note to
your closest friend might some day result at least indirectly in such a
reaction by somebody someplace on the planet.
news:3dd53c99$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
support a proposed treaty to restrict "hate speech" on the Internet.
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> Goober King
> Hates hate speech legislation...
> gooberking at utn.cjb.net
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Nov 16, 2002, 12:49am
My point still applies. How can *anyone* believe they can control the
Internet, be they one country or many? The only possible way to have
truly effective legislation would be if every single technologically
advanced country in the world agreed to the same piece of legislation
*and* actually bothered to enforce it! And I'm sorry, but that just
isn't going to happen.
Therefore, woo Bush! :D
[View Quote]brant wrote:
> I think you misunderstood the post. The proposal was for a treaty between
> many countries. Thus, it wouldn't only be the US who would be dealing with
> hate speech.
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> "goober king" <gooberking at utn.cjb.net> wrote in message
> news:3DD577FB.2000909 at utn.cjb.net...
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> them is enough to advocate, promote or incite hatred and discrimination...
> which means that if they passed a treaty which made it illegal to distribute
> anything which might cause one of those reactions then either such people
> would have to be somehow "eliminated" or all communications would have to
> cease. And I do mean "all" communications, because even a personal note to
> your closest friend might some day result at least indirectly in such a
> reaction by somebody someplace on the planet.
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> news:3dd53c99$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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> support a proposed treaty to restrict "hate speech" on the Internet.
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Goober King
Maybe Al Gore came up with the treaty... after all, he invented it!
gooberking at utn.cjb.net
Nov 16, 2002, 12:51am
Either you're lying through your teeth, or you're having someone dictate
for you in your unconscious stupor. That much alcohol could flatten an
elephant! :P
[View Quote]strike rapier wrote:
> Ah thats nice.... Couldent care less because im in the UK like.. but all the same.
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> Besides, its for the people to sort out, not the idiotic Bush admin that would rather get the world nuked than engage in diplomacy.
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> - Mark
> This Post was writeen after: 2 Bacardi Breezers, 3 Smirnof Ices's, 2 Vodka and Cokes and 1 double vodka shot. So dont take offence if your Bush or 1 of his cronies...
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> "binarybud" <leom at knorrinteractive.com> wrote in message news:3dd53c99$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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Goober King
Imagine the effect it could have on a minor...
gooberking at utn.cjb.net
Nov 16, 2002, 3:07am
Yeah, it's generally not a good idea to add laws that can not be enforced, because it just adds to the concensus that laws were "made to be broken" which is already a bit too common in the U.S., and I would guess probably in many other countries as well. All a law like that would do is give people who like to take unfair advantage of the legal system to hurt other people one more way to do so. That wouldn't be justice. It would be legalizing and assisting something very unjust.
TechnoZeus
[View Quote]"goober king" <gooberking at utn.cjb.net> wrote in message news:3DD5ABA3.9030805 at utn.cjb.net...
> My point still applies. How can *anyone* believe they can control the
> Internet, be they one country or many? The only possible way to have
> truly effective legislation would be if every single technologically
> advanced country in the world agreed to the same piece of legislation
> *and* actually bothered to enforce it! And I'm sorry, but that just
> isn't going to happen.
>
> Therefore, woo Bush! :D
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> brant wrote:
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> Goober King
> Maybe Al Gore came up with the treaty... after all, he invented it!
> gooberking at utn.cjb.net
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Nov 16, 2002, 3:11am
Perhaps it was consumed over the course of a lifetime. He only said it was "after" all that... not how long after. :)
TZ
[View Quote]"goober king" <gooberking at utn.cjb.net> wrote in message news:3DD5AC26.5030009 at utn.cjb.net...
> Either you're lying through your teeth, or you're having someone dictate
> for you in your unconscious stupor. That much alcohol could flatten an
> elephant! :P
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> strike rapier wrote:
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Nov 16, 2002, 7:53am
Over 5 hours, that's nothing compared to what some people had. Was quite funny as that's the first time Ive drank alcohol and it didnt really effect me (although after the first vodka and coke I did get kinda wobbly so I waited for another hour before having another) but 1 girl couldent even stand >:) We had to help her stand up long enough to walk home.
- Mark
[View Quote]"goober king" <gooberking at utn.cjb.net> wrote in message news:3DD5AC26.5030009 at utn.cjb.net...
> Either you're lying through your teeth, or you're having someone dictate
> for you in your unconscious stupor. That much alcohol could flatten an
> elephant! :P
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> strike rapier wrote:
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> Goober King
> Imagine the effect it could have on a minor...
> gooberking at utn.cjb.net
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Nov 16, 2002, 10:28am
Careful. When you find yourself saying that alcahol doesn't effect you, it usually means you either don't remember what effect it had, or you were incapable of noticing the effect it had. Either of those two conditions are bad news, and a good indicator that you could easily become a problem drinker.
TechnoZeus
[View Quote]"strike rapier" <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:3dd61597 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Over 5 hours, that's nothing compared to what some people had. Was quite funny as that's the first time Ive drank alcohol and it didnt really effect me (although after the first vodka and coke I did get kinda wobbly so I waited for another hour before having another) but 1 girl couldent even stand >:) We had to help her stand up long enough to walk home.
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Nov 16, 2002, 10:51am
I can remember pritty much all of it, and it did have an effect, I started having some trouble focusing, so I realised and stopped drinking for the night. prob solved.
- Mark
Breath deeply, drink pleanty of water, and Go outside and cool off at least every half an hour.
[View Quote]"technozeus" <TechnoZeus at techie.com> wrote in message news:3dd639da at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Careful. When you find yourself saying that alcahol doesn't effect you, it usually means you either don't remember what effect it had, or you were incapable of noticing the effect it had. Either of those two conditions are bad news, and a good indicator that you could easily become a problem drinker.
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Nov 16, 2002, 10:53am
Anyhow, I cant believe all this started because of 1 signiture I added because I was feeling rather entertaining. >_<
- Mark
[View Quote]"strike rapier" <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:3dd63f62 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I can remember pritty much all of it, and it did have an effect, I started having some trouble focusing, so I realised and stopped drinking for the night. prob solved.
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> - Mark
> Breath deeply, drink pleanty of water, and Go outside and cool off at least every half an hour.
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Nov 16, 2002, 11:24am
Well, when you've seen what alcahol can do to people's lives you tend to take it pretty seriously. By the way I've talked to people who were so drunk they couldn't say what their own name was, recite the alphabet as far as the letter F without making a mistake, or stand up without someone guiding them, who swore they weren't drunk and that alcahol doesn't effect them. Think about it. You have stated that you got wobbly, had trouble focusing, and were completely uneffected. I'm not trying to get on your case, but you really should be careful with alcahol. Lots of people have died from it without ever realizing they were in any danger. People who don't care won't tell you this kind of stuff, so try to take the fact that someone said something as a good sign and listen to the words of caution before you end up being another number in the statistics.
TechnoZeus
[View Quote]"strike rapier" <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:3dd63fb7$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Anyhow, I cant believe all this started because of 1 signiture I added because I was feeling rather entertaining. >_<
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> - Mark
> "strike rapier" <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:3dd63f62 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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Nov 16, 2002, 11:41am
It doesn't help that you're underage. :P
[View Quote]strike rapier wrote:
> Anyhow, I cant believe all this started because of 1 signiture I added because I was feeling rather entertaining. >_<
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> - Mark
> "strike rapier" <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:3dd63f62 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
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Goober King
It's an assumption... but a safe one...
gooberking at utn.cjb.net
Nov 17, 2002, 9:01pm
How? The same way that a country and war with others for doing something
that they don't agree with...
[View Quote]"goober king" <gooberking at utn.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:3DD5ABA3.9030805 at utn.cjb.net...
> My point still applies. How can *anyone* believe they can control the
> Internet, be they one country or many? The only possible way to have
> truly effective legislation would be if every single technologically
> advanced country in the world agreed to the same piece of legislation
> *and* actually bothered to enforce it! And I'm sorry, but that just
> isn't going to happen.
>
> Therefore, woo Bush! :D
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> brant wrote:
between
with
discrimination...
distribute
people
to
to
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> Goober King
> Maybe Al Gore came up with the treaty... after all, he invented it!
> gooberking at utn.cjb.net
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Nov 17, 2002, 9:41pm
Umm, unless you failed geography class, the world is still a very big
place. It's physically impossible to enforce a rule that spans the
entire globe, even if you try to go to war with all the disobedient
countries. Besides, the idea of going to war over a couple Internet
rules is just plain lame. :P
[View Quote]j b e l l wrote:
> How? The same way that a country and war with others for doing something
> that they don't agree with...
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> "goober king" <gooberking at utn.cjb.net> wrote in message
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Goober King
At least Metallica would be right on the front lines!
gooberking at utn.cjb.net
Nov 18, 2002, 2:58am
I was being sarcastic
I was comparing how it was contradictory of the U.S. to say NO to this bill
because they do not feel they neccessarily always "right" when they kill
millions of innocent people for doing something that the U.S. felt was not
"right"
.. . .
[View Quote]"goober king" <gooberking at utn.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:3DD82246.5040007 at utn.cjb.net...
> Umm, unless you failed geography class, the world is still a very big
> place. It's physically impossible to enforce a rule that spans the
> entire globe, even if you try to go to war with all the disobedient
> countries. Besides, the idea of going to war over a couple Internet
> rules is just plain lame. :P
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> j b e l l wrote:
something
Internet?
note
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> Goober King
> At least Metallica would be right on the front lines!
> gooberking at utn.cjb.net
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Nov 18, 2002, 9:55am
Exactly WHICH 'millions of people' are you talking about ? I don't recall this mass murder you seem to have contrived in your
mind.......
[View Quote]"j b e l l" <jbell at kmfdm.com> wrote in message news:3dd8736f$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I was being sarcastic
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> I was comparing how it was contradictory of the U.S. to say NO to this bill
> because they do not feel they neccessarily always "right" when they kill
> millions of innocent people for doing something that the U.S. felt was not
> "right"
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> . . .
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> "goober king" <gooberking at utn.cjb.net> wrote in message
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> something
> Internet?
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Nov 19, 2002, 2:32am
Watch the news.
[View Quote]"johnny b" <jbitt2ATjuno.com> wrote in message
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> Exactly WHICH 'millions of people' are you talking about ? I don't recall
this mass murder you seem to have contrived in your
> mind.......
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> "j b e l l" <jbell at kmfdm.com> wrote in message
news:3dd8736f$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
bill
not
the
legislation
dealing
being
morning to
have
such a
not
Internet.
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Nov 19, 2002, 9:54am
watch WHAT news ? sheesh....... what the heck are you talking about ?
[View Quote]"j b e l l" <jbell at kmfdm.com> wrote in message news:3dd9bed4$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Watch the news.
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> "johnny b" <jbitt2ATjuno.com> wrote in message
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> this mass murder you seem to have contrived in your
> news:3dd8736f$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> bill
> not
> the
> legislation
> dealing
> being
> morning to
> have
> such a
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Nov 24, 2002, 10:02pm
**smells flames**
[View Quote]"technozeus" <TechnoZeus at techie.com> wrote in message
news:3dd64729 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Well, when you've seen what alcahol can do to people's lives you tend to
take it pretty seriously. By the way I've talked to people who were so
drunk they couldn't say what their own name was, recite the alphabet as far
as the letter F without making a mistake, or stand up without someone
guiding them, who swore they weren't drunk and that alcahol doesn't effect
them. Think about it. You have stated that you got wobbly, had trouble
focusing, and were completely uneffected. I'm not trying to get on your
case, but you really should be careful with alcahol. Lots of people have
died from it without ever realizing they were in any danger. People who
don't care won't tell you this kind of stuff, so try to take the fact that
someone said something as a good sign and listen to the words of caution
before you end up being another number in the statistics.
>
> TechnoZeus
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> "strike rapier" <strike at rapiercom.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3dd63fb7$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
because I was feeling rather entertaining. >_<
news:3dd63f62 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
started having some trouble focusing, so I realised and stopped drinking for
the night. prob solved.
least every half an hour.
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Nov 24, 2002, 11:52pm
*gets petrol and fuels*
[View Quote]"thetraveler" <Trav at threeeyedfrog.com> wrote in message
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> **smells flames**
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> "technozeus" <TechnoZeus at techie.com> wrote in message
> news:3dd64729 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> take it pretty seriously. By the way I've talked to people who were so
> drunk they couldn't say what their own name was, recite the alphabet as
far
> as the letter F without making a mistake, or stand up without someone
> guiding them, who swore they weren't drunk and that alcahol doesn't effect
> them. Think about it. You have stated that you got wobbly, had trouble
> focusing, and were completely uneffected. I'm not trying to get on your
> case, but you really should be careful with alcahol. Lots of people have
> died from it without ever realizing they were in any danger. People who
> don't care won't tell you this kind of stuff, so try to take the fact that
> someone said something as a good sign and listen to the words of caution
> before you end up being another number in the statistics.
> news:3dd63fb7$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> because I was feeling rather entertaining. >_<
> news:3dd63f62 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> started having some trouble focusing, so I realised and stopped drinking
for
> the night. prob solved.
at
> least every half an hour.
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