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A simple solution to the CY issue...... (Community)
A simple solution to the CY issue...... // Community
Nov 8, 2002, 11:03am
I've read all the dissent concerning the CY awards, and the inclusion of gor worlds into the 'family oriented' side of
activeworlds, etc. etc.
Let me preface this by saying I have no particular animosity towards anyone who wishes to participate in 'gorean' worlds or
behavior....... I personally, have a few very good friends here that do. I do not consider them any less a person that myself, nor
do I treat them any differently. I love them just the same, tho I do wish they didn't engage in this, as I feel it is degrading to
women AND men....... to act as a 'slave' is sad, but to feel a need to enslave another, sadder yet..... but that's my own personal
convictions....
In my humble opinion, there IS only one simple (not easy, but simple) solution to the issue of the CY awards and children being
involved. The way I see it, there is no other way around it other than to have two seperate awards / award ceremonies. One for the
mainstream worlds, including so-called 'teen' worlds, AW owned worlds, etc. Another for the 'adult' worlds ( x rated, gor, what
have you ) This, of course, will make certain people feel alienated, but unfortunately so do many such situations in real life.
The reality of it is, the majority of the citizens in activeworlds are not active in adult or gor worlds.
What I propose / support is to have two different awards / ceremonies. Now some here may say this is segregationist, bigoted, or
whatever term you like, but it's just plain reality........ If the CY's allow the inclusion of underage persons in it's
committees, ceremonies, awards, etc. they ( and we ) have a responsibility to set some standards as to content and behaviour that
will be allowed....... Some say no, but children grow up fast enough already.....
I feel that if you decide to live an 'adult / gorean ' lifestyle here, that's your choice but, when you make that choice, you
must realize that it's not in line with the rest of the community and will never be so....... therefore if you wish to be included
in the community, you have no choice but to give and take. It's just not realistic to consider disallowing underage access to the CY
awards, committees, etc. As all have said, this is about community....... and although the people in the adult / gor communities are
still very much a part of the 'ActiveWorlds' community, their decision to participate in an adult online lifestyle here, precludes
them from being included in certain things. Some may feel this unfair, but life is unfair sometimes. Some may call this
Discriminatory, racist, bigoted, whatever you like, but the essence of this is the fact that if you DO participate in an 'adult'
lifestyle here, is your CHOICE.... no one has forced you to partake of this, You decided...... and you must accept the consequences
and / or benefits OF your decision..... plain and simple. You simply can't call this bigoted or racist....... you have no choice
if you're black, white, too short, too poor, too whatever... If you're singled out for such things, it is very wrong and just plain
unacceptable. But, you made the choice to do the things you do here, and to say that you shouldnt be discriminated against or
singled out is just not realistic...... YOU made the choice....... YOU must live with the repercussions......... If you decide to
have an 'adult / gor' type world, You have made that choice again... and nothing will change that, you were not forced.
I mean, think of it this way....... if you come into the newsgroups and flame everyone in sight, calling names, etc. thats your
choice, but you can't say it's wrong or blame the rest of the people here if they think you're an ass, or treat you rudely because
of it..... you made the choice..... and you must live with it.
I'm not saying treat anyone who prefers an adult lifestyle here differently or with any less respect...... as I dont and wouldnt
do it myself. You can ask my gorean friends.... But to have two seperate awards / ceremonies is just not that bad.... sure, it's
more work, but if you want to be recognized by your peers or award their hard work, then you'll do it...... If you have an adult
world thats built beautifully, then kudos to you ! we all know how much work and thought is put into such a thing.... but the minute
you decide to make that an adult world, you 'change the rules' so to speak.... It's your decision, you made it, and you have to
live by that decision..... like it or not.........
To sum it all up, I feel there should be two seperate awards ( CY & Adult CY ) there just IS no other simple way to remedy
this. Not everyone will be happy about it, feel it's fair or whatever..... on either side of the arguement...... But as I said
before, Life is not fair...... we all must live with things we don't like every day, and this really is no different..... Actions
and choices have consequences...... and when you make a choice, you have no choice but to live with them........ like it or not....
Hopefully people will read this and not start another flame war over it, as that just does not accomplish a thing....... Instead
lets embrace the fact that there's different kinds of people here, with different likes / dislikes and try to accept those.......
and to accommodate those differences....... Essentially, Let's bury the hatchet and work on a solution, instead of fueling the fire
and splitting up the community even further.........
Two Awards just isn't so bad, If you win, you'll still have the respect and admiration of your peers for your determination and
hard work......
And...... you just might get a little more respect from many, for exhibiting the maturity necessary to accept the things that
come with your chioces...
Something to think about.....
JB
Nov 8, 2002, 11:19am
ya! have a teenCY thing, sicne teens arent winning any CYs anyway.
[View Quote]"johnny b" <jbitt2ATjuno.com> wrote in message
news:3dcbb60d$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I've read all the dissent concerning the CY awards, and the inclusion
of gor worlds into the 'family oriented' side of
> activeworlds, etc. etc.
>
> Let me preface this by saying I have no particular animosity towards
anyone who wishes to participate in 'gorean' worlds or
> behavior....... I personally, have a few very good friends here that do. I
do not consider them any less a person that myself, nor
> do I treat them any differently. I love them just the same, tho I do wish
they didn't engage in this, as I feel it is degrading to
> women AND men....... to act as a 'slave' is sad, but to feel a need to
enslave another, sadder yet..... but that's my own personal
> convictions....
>
> In my humble opinion, there IS only one simple (not easy, but simple)
solution to the issue of the CY awards and children being
> involved. The way I see it, there is no other way around it other than to
have two seperate awards / award ceremonies. One for the
> mainstream worlds, including so-called 'teen' worlds, AW owned worlds,
etc. Another for the 'adult' worlds ( x rated, gor, what
> have you ) This, of course, will make certain people feel alienated, but
unfortunately so do many such situations in real life.
> The reality of it is, the majority of the citizens in activeworlds are not
active in adult or gor worlds.
>
> What I propose / support is to have two different awards / ceremonies.
Now some here may say this is segregationist, bigoted, or
> whatever term you like, but it's just plain reality........ If the CY's
allow the inclusion of underage persons in it's
> committees, ceremonies, awards, etc. they ( and we ) have a responsibility
to set some standards as to content and behaviour that
> will be allowed....... Some say no, but children grow up fast enough
already.....
>
> I feel that if you decide to live an 'adult / gorean ' lifestyle here,
that's your choice but, when you make that choice, you
> must realize that it's not in line with the rest of the community and will
never be so....... therefore if you wish to be included
> in the community, you have no choice but to give and take. It's just not
realistic to consider disallowing underage access to the CY
> awards, committees, etc. As all have said, this is about community.......
and although the people in the adult / gor communities are
> still very much a part of the 'ActiveWorlds' community, their decision to
participate in an adult online lifestyle here, precludes
> them from being included in certain things. Some may feel this unfair,
but life is unfair sometimes. Some may call this
> Discriminatory, racist, bigoted, whatever you like, but the essence of
this is the fact that if you DO participate in an 'adult'
> lifestyle here, is your CHOICE.... no one has forced you to partake of
this, You decided...... and you must accept the consequences
> and / or benefits OF your decision..... plain and simple. You simply
can't call this bigoted or racist....... you have no choice
> if you're black, white, too short, too poor, too whatever... If you're
singled out for such things, it is very wrong and just plain
> unacceptable. But, you made the choice to do the things you do here, and
to say that you shouldnt be discriminated against or
> singled out is just not realistic...... YOU made the choice....... YOU
must live with the repercussions......... If you decide to
> have an 'adult / gor' type world, You have made that choice again... and
nothing will change that, you were not forced.
>
> I mean, think of it this way....... if you come into the newsgroups
and flame everyone in sight, calling names, etc. thats your
> choice, but you can't say it's wrong or blame the rest of the people here
if they think you're an ass, or treat you rudely because
> of it..... you made the choice..... and you must live with it.
>
> I'm not saying treat anyone who prefers an adult lifestyle here
differently or with any less respect...... as I dont and wouldnt
> do it myself. You can ask my gorean friends.... But to have two seperate
awards / ceremonies is just not that bad.... sure, it's
> more work, but if you want to be recognized by your peers or award their
hard work, then you'll do it...... If you have an adult
> world thats built beautifully, then kudos to you ! we all know how much
work and thought is put into such a thing.... but the minute
> you decide to make that an adult world, you 'change the rules' so to
speak.... It's your decision, you made it, and you have to
> live by that decision..... like it or not.........
>
> To sum it all up, I feel there should be two seperate awards ( CY &
Adult CY ) there just IS no other simple way to remedy
> this. Not everyone will be happy about it, feel it's fair or whatever.....
on either side of the arguement...... But as I said
> before, Life is not fair...... we all must live with things we don't like
every day, and this really is no different..... Actions
> and choices have consequences...... and when you make a choice, you have
no choice but to live with them........ like it or not....
>
> Hopefully people will read this and not start another flame war over
it, as that just does not accomplish a thing....... Instead
> lets embrace the fact that there's different kinds of people here, with
different likes / dislikes and try to accept those.......
> and to accommodate those differences....... Essentially, Let's bury the
hatchet and work on a solution, instead of fueling the fire
> and splitting up the community even further.........
>
> Two Awards just isn't so bad, If you win, you'll still have the
respect and admiration of your peers for your determination and
> hard work......
> And...... you just might get a little more respect from many, for
exhibiting the maturity necessary to accept the things that
> come with your chioces...
>
> Something to think about.....
>
> JB
>
>
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Nov 8, 2002, 11:34am
Very well said, Johnny. You're so wise.
Kerstin
[View Quote]"johnny b" <jbitt2ATjuno.com> wrote in message
news:3dcbb60d$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> I've read all the dissent concerning the CY awards, and the inclusion
of gor worlds into the 'family oriented' side of
> activeworlds, etc. etc.
>
> Let me preface this by saying I have no particular animosity towards
anyone who wishes to participate in 'gorean' worlds or
> behavior....... I personally, have a few very good friends here that do. I
do not consider them any less a person that myself, nor
> do I treat them any differently. I love them just the same, tho I do wish
they didn't engage in this, as I feel it is degrading to
> women AND men....... to act as a 'slave' is sad, but to feel a need to
enslave another, sadder yet..... but that's my own personal
> convictions....
>
> In my humble opinion, there IS only one simple (not easy, but simple)
solution to the issue of the CY awards and children being
> involved. The way I see it, there is no other way around it other than to
have two seperate awards / award ceremonies. One for the
> mainstream worlds, including so-called 'teen' worlds, AW owned worlds,
etc. Another for the 'adult' worlds ( x rated, gor, what
> have you ) This, of course, will make certain people feel alienated, but
unfortunately so do many such situations in real life.
> The reality of it is, the majority of the citizens in activeworlds are not
active in adult or gor worlds.
>
> What I propose / support is to have two different awards / ceremonies.
Now some here may say this is segregationist, bigoted, or
> whatever term you like, but it's just plain reality........ If the CY's
allow the inclusion of underage persons in it's
> committees, ceremonies, awards, etc. they ( and we ) have a responsibility
to set some standards as to content and behaviour that
> will be allowed....... Some say no, but children grow up fast enough
already.....
>
> I feel that if you decide to live an 'adult / gorean ' lifestyle here,
that's your choice but, when you make that choice, you
> must realize that it's not in line with the rest of the community and will
never be so....... therefore if you wish to be included
> in the community, you have no choice but to give and take. It's just not
realistic to consider disallowing underage access to the CY
> awards, committees, etc. As all have said, this is about community.......
and although the people in the adult / gor communities are
> still very much a part of the 'ActiveWorlds' community, their decision to
participate in an adult online lifestyle here, precludes
> them from being included in certain things. Some may feel this unfair,
but life is unfair sometimes. Some may call this
> Discriminatory, racist, bigoted, whatever you like, but the essence of
this is the fact that if you DO participate in an 'adult'
> lifestyle here, is your CHOICE.... no one has forced you to partake of
this, You decided...... and you must accept the consequences
> and / or benefits OF your decision..... plain and simple. You simply
can't call this bigoted or racist....... you have no choice
> if you're black, white, too short, too poor, too whatever... If you're
singled out for such things, it is very wrong and just plain
> unacceptable. But, you made the choice to do the things you do here, and
to say that you shouldnt be discriminated against or
> singled out is just not realistic...... YOU made the choice....... YOU
must live with the repercussions......... If you decide to
> have an 'adult / gor' type world, You have made that choice again... and
nothing will change that, you were not forced.
>
> I mean, think of it this way....... if you come into the newsgroups
and flame everyone in sight, calling names, etc. thats your
> choice, but you can't say it's wrong or blame the rest of the people here
if they think you're an ass, or treat you rudely because
> of it..... you made the choice..... and you must live with it.
>
> I'm not saying treat anyone who prefers an adult lifestyle here
differently or with any less respect...... as I dont and wouldnt
> do it myself. You can ask my gorean friends.... But to have two seperate
awards / ceremonies is just not that bad.... sure, it's
> more work, but if you want to be recognized by your peers or award their
hard work, then you'll do it...... If you have an adult
> world thats built beautifully, then kudos to you ! we all know how much
work and thought is put into such a thing.... but the minute
> you decide to make that an adult world, you 'change the rules' so to
speak.... It's your decision, you made it, and you have to
> live by that decision..... like it or not.........
>
> To sum it all up, I feel there should be two seperate awards ( CY &
Adult CY ) there just IS no other simple way to remedy
> this. Not everyone will be happy about it, feel it's fair or whatever.....
on either side of the arguement...... But as I said
> before, Life is not fair...... we all must live with things we don't like
every day, and this really is no different..... Actions
> and choices have consequences...... and when you make a choice, you have
no choice but to live with them........ like it or not....
>
> Hopefully people will read this and not start another flame war over
it, as that just does not accomplish a thing....... Instead
> lets embrace the fact that there's different kinds of people here, with
different likes / dislikes and try to accept those.......
> and to accommodate those differences....... Essentially, Let's bury the
hatchet and work on a solution, instead of fueling the fire
> and splitting up the community even further.........
>
> Two Awards just isn't so bad, If you win, you'll still have the
respect and admiration of your peers for your determination and
> hard work......
> And...... you just might get a little more respect from many, for
exhibiting the maturity necessary to accept the things that
> come with your chioces...
>
> Something to think about.....
>
> JB
>
>
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Nov 8, 2002, 4:41pm
The whole of AWTeen won the write in catagory.... Besides, we tried AWTeenCYs type things.. they aint work :o
- Mark
[View Quote]"swe" <swe at swe-e.com> wrote in message news:3dcbb9e3 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> ya! have a teenCY thing, sicne teens arent winning any CYs anyway.
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