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Feb 7, 1999, 7:38pm

[View Quote] Maybe not.
But does it have to be in AW??
No thanxx.

--
Cubic

>Rolu
>
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Feb 7, 1999, 7:53pm

Cubic,

Can you define what you mean when you say "AW" ?

Jim Fleming
UNIR, COM and UNETY worlds in AW

P.S. There are many other Galaxies and Universes
that some people might consider to be part of the
AW Community. Via "bots" (an over-used term) we
can pull all those together via an overlay network.
Some of those domains are...

http://auth.activeworlds.com
port=
5670 - at mart
5671 - ?
5672 - Franco ?
5673 - Cincinnanti ?
5674 - ?
5675 - Dreamland ?
5676 - ?
5677 - ?
http://www.outerworlds.com
http://www.vmenta.com


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Feb 7, 1999, 8:32pm

Lets see the reason why people wanna do this in aw is that its much easier to
use premade 3d engines and servers than to go off and develope a whole new one,
it's not like you have to goto those worlds that have thjese eco-systems in them
hell you could avoid them all together so people have the right to put bots in
their worlds without wasting your bandwidth...

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Feb 7, 1999, 9:13pm

No, it's eepy :)

I'll just keep my long .sig :)

--
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"Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the
microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can
tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping."

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Feb 8, 1999, 2:41am

Idiot, I wasn't even talking to you (or referring to a sig quote either), but the MESSAGE quoting. Duh!

So many idiots...too few bullets...

[View Quote] > No, it's eepy :)
>
> I'll just keep my long .sig :)
>
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Feb 8, 1999, 10:35am

I *know* that! I was just anticipating your reply....

And I'm definitely NOT an idiot.

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"Real programmers like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the
microwave oven. Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can
tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping."

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Feb 8, 1999, 1:02pm

[View Quote] When I say AW I mean Active Worlds.
And 'active' does not necessarily mean that everything that can be done has
to be done, in my opinion.

--
Cubic


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Feb 8, 1999, 5:23pm

What an excellent idea. If anybody attempts this kind of bot it may be an
idea to try and make the treebots a universal property object. That way they
could grow anywhere and anybody could chop the trees down should they
encroach. Is this possible?

Feb 8, 1999, 6:58pm

Uh huh; sure you were, champ. And you're DEFINITELY an idiot. Idiots reply off-topic with lame jokes.

[View Quote] > I *know* that! I was just anticipating your reply....
>
> And I'm definitely NOT an idiot.
>
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Feb 8, 1999, 8:10pm

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Assuming that the dozen people in the world remaining on a 640x480 screen
are using AW, considering they're probably also still in 256 colour mode.
*wink*

Rjinswand


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Feb 8, 1999, 8:17pm

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Yep this was something I sketched out nearly a year ago in anticipation of
the SDK. My plans are to integrate it with a whole landscape
generator/maintainer and weather system, however. If my time works out for
the better, I may be able to offer this as a service by the end of the
summer. Someone might beat me to it tho. :)
I do know what byte means about bots being boring... the concept of bots
as other avatars gets boring quite fast. Even though these bots are our
means of implementing everything in the SDK, that doesn't mean they're the
end-all of AW applications. They're just one step in a circle of tools that
enable user input--->browser response.

Rjinswand

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Feb 8, 1999, 9:20pm

If there are EcoBots that go about "seeding" the vacant land on worlds like
AW, the bot designer had better think through the ecological consequences.
Suppose you can have a bot that periodically rebuilds an acorn into a
seedling, a seedling into a small tree, etc., and then randomly produces
acorns from that tree, and seeds them elsewhere. It won't take long for this
tree to multiply itself into a plague of trees: 1, 10, 100, 1000, 10000,
100000.... That's because there is no real ecology here: the acorns have no
squirrels to eat them, the trees have no storms to topple them, no parasites
to sap them, no lumbermen to chop them down, and no rival vegetation to shade
them into obliviion.

If you think that robobuilders are a menace because they let vandals pave
over vacant lands on worlds like AW, just wait till you have worlds overrun
with thousands of copies of a single oak object, all made by one cute little
EcoBot that had nothing to do but plant oaks. Just like the homesick
Australian who introduced rabbits to Australia, or the flower-loving
Americans who brought Swamp Loosestrife into the New World, to clog up the
remaining swamps and wetlands.

This is a great idea, but be sure to order bots that will make an ecology
that you want to live in.

[View Quote] > Make a tree bot, you can "seed" some trees somewhere, they start to grow,
> get bigger, get old, die, drop their leaves, flower, create other trees -
> and a whole forest over time!!
>
> Rolu
>
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Feb 8, 1999, 10:23pm

Hmmm... good point you have there... gotta have something to control the
population of trees but than we got to have something to control the population
of squirells :)

[View Quote] > If there are EcoBots that go about "seeding" the vacant land on worlds like
> AW, the bot designer had better think through the ecological consequences.
> Suppose you can have a bot that periodically rebuilds an acorn into a
> seedling, a seedling into a small tree, etc., and then randomly produces
> acorns from that tree, and seeds them elsewhere. It won't take long for this
> tree to multiply itself into a plague of trees: 1, 10, 100, 1000, 10000,
> 100000.... That's because there is no real ecology here: the acorns have no
> squirrels to eat them, the trees have no storms to topple them, no parasites
> to sap them, no lumbermen to chop them down, and no rival vegetation to shade
> them into obliviion.
>
> If you think that robobuilders are a menace because they let vandals pave
> over vacant lands on worlds like AW, just wait till you have worlds overrun
> with thousands of copies of a single oak object, all made by one cute little
> EcoBot that had nothing to do but plant oaks. Just like the homesick
> Australian who introduced rabbits to Australia, or the flower-loving
> Americans who brought Swamp Loosestrife into the New World, to clog up the
> remaining swamps and wetlands.
>
> This is a great idea, but be sure to order bots that will make an ecology
> that you want to live in.
>
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Feb 9, 1999, 1:35am

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Okay...

1. I don't think anyone is thinking public building worlds. That would be
impractical for the most part. If it were the case, then it would be under
the strict control of the world owner.
2. It would be much faster to cover land using an sdk property building bot.
You could spread 100,000 walks a lot faster that way than the tree method...
because the trees would still be using a bot to do it. Eventually the tree
scenario would get to the maximum number of builds per minute... the walks
would reach it instantly.
3. Thanks to the sdk, deleting all of an individual's objects can now be a
much simpler task for world owners, which doesn't involve shutting down,
doing a propdump, etc.
4. The life cycle of a tree DOES include its death and decay. You already
came up with plenty of suggestions for how. :)

Rjinswand

>Suppose you can have a bot that periodically rebuilds an acorn into a
>seedling, a seedling into a small tree, etc., and then randomly produces
>acorns from that tree, and seeds them elsewhere. It won't take long for
this
>tree to multiply itself into a plague of trees: 1, 10, 100, 1000, 10000,
>100000.... That's because there is no real ecology here: the acorns have
no
>squirrels to eat them, the trees have no storms to topple them, no
parasites
>to sap them, no lumbermen to chop them down, and no rival vegetation to
shade
>them into obliviion.
>
>If you think that robobuilders are a menace because they let vandals pave
>over vacant lands on worlds like AW, just wait till you have worlds overrun
>with thousands of copies of a single oak object, all made by one cute
little
>EcoBot that had nothing to do but plant oaks. Just like the homesick
>Australian who introduced rabbits to Australia, or the flower-loving
>Americans who brought Swamp Loosestrife into the New World, to clog up the
>remaining swamps and wetlands.
>
>This is a great idea, but be sure to order bots that will make an ecology
>that you want to live in.
>
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Feb 9, 1999, 2:24am

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But do YOU have to be in AW?

Rjinswand


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Feb 9, 1999, 2:36am

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And yet when someone suggests an idea to make it more active (I think
having animals around would make it more active, would be hard to disagree
with that) you diss it, eh?

Rjinswand


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Feb 9, 1999, 6:37am

[View Quote] > Assuming that the dozen people in the world remaining on a 640x480 screen
> are using AW, considering they're probably also still in 256 colour mode.
> *wink*
>
> Rjinswand

Which is more then perfect for the newsreader <nudge>
Andras

Feb 9, 1999, 7:27am

Perfect relative to who? Not me. I only have 800x600 resolution because this shitty 14" monitor can't handle anything more. I'd probably do 1024x768 if I could, but then AW might be too small, and making a larger window would cause my system to lag even MORE from RenderWare. Plus the video card works harder at higher resolutions and color depths.

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Feb 9, 1999, 8:29am

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What I meant is: If something makes aw more active it does not necessarily
mean it also makes it better.

--
Cubic

Feb 9, 1999, 8:30am

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Did I say so?
Of course I don't have to.
At least I don't lower anyone's framerate..

--
Cubic

Feb 9, 1999, 6:16pm

[View Quote] >Which is more then perfect for the newsreader <nudge>


I strongly disagree... I run 1024x768 (outlook in full screen)... and I
wish I could do 1280x1024. 640x480 isn't enough too type a letter in.

Rjinswand


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Feb 9, 1999, 6:17pm

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Ahh you do not contribute any content then?

Rjinswand


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Feb 9, 1999, 7:11pm

Yet you STILL haven't learned how to use the FULL screen width in your messages...

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Feb 9, 1999, 8:29pm

Hey good point... I have no idea why Outlook reformats outgoing messages and
puts in hard CRs... I hadn't even noticed before. If you have any
suggestions (outside of using a different newsreader) then I'd be willing to
try em.

Rjinswand

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Feb 9, 1999, 8:31pm

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yep, and HamFon made such a bot before there was even an SDK :)

Rjinswand


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Feb 9, 1999, 11:11pm

Try settings/options/preferences or something. In Netscape Communicator 4.5, for example, the setting is Edit | Preferences... | Mail & Newsgroups | Messages | Message Wrapping. Two options: "Wrap incoming, plain text messages to window width" and "Wrap outgoing, plain text messages at [ ] characters". 72 being the default, but I have mine at 32767. Ideally I'd rather NOT have to wrap text at all (and just let email programs and newsreaders automatically wrap lines to their window widths, but this is obviously too advanced thinking for most newsreader and email software programmers. And why there's an additional "Wrap Long Lines" in Netscape Messenger's "View" menu is beyond me, considering the first "Message Wrapping" option listed above should already do it.

I try to use as little Microslop stuff as I can...the "OS" being MORE than enough annoyance for me anyway. Of course Netscrape stuff isn't that much better, but at least it ain't Microslop...

[View Quote] > Hey good point... I have no idea why Outlook reformats outgoing messages and
> puts in hard CRs... I hadn't even noticed before. If you have any
> suggestions (outside of using a different newsreader) then I'd be willing to
> try em.
>
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Feb 9, 1999, 11:37pm

Outlook Express: Tools | Options | Send, click Settings next to whichever
option you're using to post newsgroup messages... it only allows between 30
and 132 though, Eep - you'll have to put up with 76 from me for now :)

(yes, Netscrape sucks, and Microslop (as you call it) isn't much better)

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Feb 9, 1999, 11:43pm

On Mon, 08 Feb 1999 15:20:41 -0800, Canopus <aek2 at ix.netcom.com>
[View Quote] >If there are EcoBots that go about "seeding" the vacant land on worlds like
>AW, the bot designer had better think through the ecological consequences.
>Suppose you can have a bot that periodically rebuilds an acorn into a
>seedling, a seedling into a small tree, etc., and then randomly produces
>acorns from that tree, and seeds them elsewhere. It won't take long for this
>tree to multiply itself into a plague of trees: 1, 10, 100, 1000, 10000,
>100000.... That's because there is no real ecology here: the acorns have no
>squirrels to eat them, the trees have no storms to topple them, no parasites
>to sap them, no lumbermen to chop them down, and no rival vegetation to shade
>them into obliviion.

What about tourists?
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creator: XelaG
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Feb 10, 1999, 2:01am

[View Quote]
OK looked through it... those are the settings for plain text. If you use html format (you don't have to change the background
colour or anything) then you can let it wrap by itself at read-time. Otherwise, plain text, Outlook forces line breaks. :P I've
set it to 132 now... hopefully this won't look like crap. :)

Rjinswand


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Feb 10, 1999, 2:03am

Nope, it looks like crap.

Rjinswand

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