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Aug 2, 2001, 11:09pm

ZeeBot Version 1.0.0 Beta, is now available for download, on an Open
Beta Program.

At www.commatron.com/zeebot/index.html

If you encounter any errors, e-mail me at zac at commatron.com, and I will
try and fix them.


Thank you ~ TrekkerX

(e-mail from Lanerzi, will be ignored, and deleted)

Aug 2, 2001, 11:49pm

I get a "The page cannot be found" error when trying to access the URL
listed and a "This page is not available." when trying to access
www.commatron.com... I'll say it sure is beta. ;)

Builderz
Stuff-X - Bot & World Hosting Services
http://aw.stuff-x.com/
PGP Key ID: 0xAC0E7073 (for non-commercial use)

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Aug 3, 2001, 12:11am

geocities suxx for website specialy if your serving zip files from one
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Aug 4, 2001, 11:01pm

So ive learned, they deleted the commatron account, Im trying to get my friend
to host the server, but he cant do that until he gets his network up.

[View Quote] > geocities suxx for website specialy if your serving zip files from one
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Aug 24, 2001, 7:21pm

Well, good free hosts are www.freeservers.com and if you want a good pay-host,
www.phpwebhosting.com is one of the best, www.awlife.net and www.myrthco.com are both hosted by
it, and both pages load www.google.com-like fast for me.
--
Young Phalpha

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Aug 25, 2001, 7:24pm

Oh, in Zeebot where TrekkerX says Lanezri's tgrams will be ignored, thats a
mistake..so Lanezeri's tgrams to him will not be ignored. :P
--
TheMask
Stuff-X - Bot & World Hosting Services
http://aw.stuff-x.com/
TheMask at stuff-x.com


will
>
>

Aug 25, 2001, 7:31pm

correct that,not in the program..
--
TheMask
Stuff-X - Bot & World Hosting Services
http://aw.stuff-x.com/
TheMask at stuff-x.com

Aug 27, 2001, 11:54pm

Yea, I have a free servers account, I might jus have to use that.


>

Aug 27, 2001, 11:56pm

huh? That makes no sence once so ever. I said I will icnore his e-mail.;
To me.
And I cant beleve that you themask would go over to the dark side
(stuff-x).

[View Quote] > correct that,not in the program..
> --
> TheMask
> Stuff-X - Bot & World Hosting Services
> http://aw.stuff-x.com/
> TheMask at stuff-x.com

Aug 28, 2001, 12:33am

Defamation of character is illegal ya know, downing a company is another
illegal thing.. (dont know exact name for it off hand) but it draws
customers away from the company.. be careful what you say TrekkerX..

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Aug 28, 2001, 1:38am

Yea maybe in russia. But its not in America. I can say anything, call anyone
anything I want. (Leagley) There isnt a law saying I cant; and if there is
show it to me.

[View Quote] > Defamation of character is illegal ya know, downing a company is another
> illegal thing.. (dont know exact name for it off hand) but it draws
> customers away from the company.. be careful what you say TrekkerX..
>
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Aug 28, 2001, 8:25am

hmmm, well I dont have any specific web site, but our freedom of speech
is more limited than you might think. Little kids try to get away with
cursing because they know of their constitutional right to "freedom of
speech" but just the words "freedom of speech" are far too broad:

We have a freedom to speak out against out government, its members, and
its actions. We can also boycott, petition, stuff like that... but
just saying "SOANDSO SUCKS A BIG ONE!!" is bad. Its slander, and its
wrong. Also, if you have reasons to dislike a company, it is ok to make
it known, but just saying "SOANDSO CORPORATION SMELLS LIKE ROTTEN
CHEESE!!" is bad.

Am I right here or just completely random?

-JV

[View Quote] > Yea maybe in russia. But its not in America. I can say anything, call anyone
> anything I want. (Leagley) There isnt a law saying I cant; and if there is
> show it to me.
>
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--
John Viper (#296714)
jviper at jtsoft.net
http://www.jtsoft.net

"Life on Earth may be expensive, but it does include a free trip around
the sun..." -anonymous

Aug 28, 2001, 10:04am

Stuff-X is a good company, they offer quality services...

KAH

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Aug 28, 2001, 4:04pm

Defamation of character tells you that you can't say things about someone,
reasearch your shit..

--

Lanezeri
Lead Bot Programmer at Stuff-X
http://aw.stuff-x.com

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Aug 28, 2001, 4:09pm

Yea, I know we cant go an yell out "FIRE" in a movie theater, and stuff like that.

[View Quote] > hmmm, well I dont have any specific web site, but our freedom of speech
> is more limited than you might think. Little kids try to get away with
> cursing because they know of their constitutional right to "freedom of
> speech" but just the words "freedom of speech" are far too broad:
>
> We have a freedom to speak out against out government, its members, and
> its actions. We can also boycott, petition, stuff like that... but
> just saying "SOANDSO SUCKS A BIG ONE!!" is bad. Its slander, and its
> wrong. Also, if you have reasons to dislike a company, it is ok to make
> it known, but just saying "SOANDSO CORPORATION SMELLS LIKE ROTTEN
> CHEESE!!" is bad.
>
> Am I right here or just completely random?
>
> -JV
>
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Aug 28, 2001, 4:25pm

No duh. Haven't you ever called someone a name? I don't like stuff-x, cuz
there evil
Saying there evil isn't bad, don't tell me your prefect ether. Your always going
on how only certain people cant. That's what I don't like about stuff-x. Is
there attitude. There always acting better than everyone else, and pretend there
superior to everyone else.

Especially you Lanezeri. Your always bagging on people who make programs, or
write them. Especially ones that just started programming, and aren't your
friends. Also people who put out programs, (Like me) you start trashing them
EVEN IF YOU HAVENT USED IT. You automaticly assume because its not yours it just
happend to be a bad program.

[View Quote] > Defamation of character tells you that you can't say things about someone,
> reasearch your shit..
>
> --
>
> Lanezeri
> Lead Bot Programmer at Stuff-X
> http://aw.stuff-x.com
>
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Aug 28, 2001, 5:43pm

TrekkerX, I regret that you feel Stuff-X is "evil" and that you get the
impression that we seem to think we are better than others. Let me just
say I have never once said "Stuff-X is better than AWC, ImaTowns,
Synergy Corp., and [insert another popular AW hosting provider here] put
together" or tried to personally slander another hosting company. How
exactly is Stuff-X "acting better" than "everyone else?" Could you
please give me specific reasons or actions to back up your opinion? I
don't wish to start a flame war with you, I would just like an honest
answer to my question.

I believe that you may be confusing Lanezeri's attitude with the
attitude of Stuff-X. I admit Lanezeri is a very outspoken person, but I
have no control over what he chooses to post in these newgroups nor what
the content of those postings are. The sole reason I hired him was to
create bots for Stuff-X and he currently has the title of "Lead Bot
Programmer." I look over each and every line of the coding of the bots
that he creates and make any modifications to it that I see fit (that is
why no bots are publicly available yet). I didn't hire him to get into
fights in the newsgroups and I am not responsible for his words or
actions.

Unfortunately, if Lanezeri posted a rude or offensive comment in these
newsgroups and he has "Stuff-X" somewhere in his signature, some may
think that it gives a negative tone or feel towards the Stuff-X company
as a whole. Let me just mention that *I* am listed as the "Public
Relations" person on the Stuff-X staff page (located at
http://www.stuffx.com/aw/staff.html) and Lanezeri is *not* (nor any
other Stuff-X staff member). What he or any other staff members of
Stuff-X may say in a posting, in Active Worlds, in e-mail, etc. may not
reflect the opinions of Stuff-X as a company and Stuff-X may not agree
with those comments. For an official Stuff-X response or stance on an
issue, you should ask/contact *me* and *me* only.

Builderz
Stuff-X - Bot & World Hosting Services
http://aw.stuff-x.com/
PGP Key ID: 0xAC0E7073 (for non-commercial use)

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Aug 28, 2001, 6:06pm

heh.. "The sole reason I hired him was to create bots for Stuff-X".. wow..
aren't I just so helpful.. I make bots, since that is the only reason I'm
part of Stuff-X, and you edit them. Well since I was only hired to make
bots.. I don't want to work for Stuff-X.. why should I bust my ass to make
bots for you if all you care about is if they are done or not? Sorry Bz..
ur the coolest person I've ever met.. but this isn't why I work for
Stuff-X.. so I guess.. you own all the bots I've made for you.. and.. *sigh*
do what you want with them..

--

Lanezeri
Ex. Lead Bot Programmer at Stuff-X
http://aw.stuff-x.com


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Aug 28, 2001, 7:08pm

Lane, when I said the sole reason I hired you was to create bots for
Stuff-X, I meant that in a professional sense. That is what you do (or
did, if you wish to resign) at Stuff-X. I did not mean that to come out
as an insult towards you, Lane. I know that you have helped create Web
pages and have done other things in the past for Stuff-X, and I very
much appreciate that, but I have never asked you to do those things (I
interpreted you as doing those things voluntarily). I consider you to be
the best staff member Stuff-X has/had. I just do not agree with
everything you say here in the newsgroups. Personally, I consider you to
be a good friend of mine. We have known each other for a very long time
and have been through a lot together.

I only purchased two bots of yours, Lane. The Bank Bot and the Tag Bot.
The other bots you have made I have not yet purchased, but was planning
to purchase from you in the future. I own a copy of the source code to
the bots, Lane, but you still own the original copyright to that source
code. I was planning on looking at the source code of the bots and
making tiny modifications (change a line of text here, an option here,
etc). That is what I meant by editing the bots. Your username and/or
real name would appear in the About section of all bots and you would be
listed on the Stuff-X staff page (as you are now). I also told you that
I was considering to pay you a certain percentage of commission on the
bots that I wished to sell commercially on the Stuff-X Web site. I did
not say when this would happen, since I myself don't know when I will
get a chance to look at the source code.

You say: "Well since I was only hired to make bots.. I don't want to
work for Stuff-X." Well then, why did you take up the job in the first
place? If you would like to resign from Stuff-X, so be it. However, in
future communication, I politely request that you speak to me in private
regarding this matter, and not post here in the newsgroups just yet.

Builderz
Stuff-X - Bot & World Hosting Services
http://aw.stuff-x.com/
PGP Key ID: 0xAC0E7073 (for non-commercial use)

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Aug 28, 2001, 7:38pm

Anyone going to say anything useful on this thread rather than this personal
slanging match? Preferably something to do with bots or the SDK perhaps
considering half of it is getting cross posted between the Bots and SDK
newsgroups.

Children!

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Aug 28, 2001, 7:53pm

Well exuse me.. it was kinda my fault.. i replyed to trekker x's new bot,
ZeeBot.. and then he replyed back and then (sorry lane) lane replyed
back...and on.. so really it was my fault...
Sorry.
--
TheMask
Leader of Texture Designing
http://aw.stuff-x.com/
TheMask at stuff-x.com

Aug 28, 2001, 8:00pm

I must say that they certainly don't act as if they're better than everyone
else! Builderz is very nice and polite, and his company provides high
quality services, even though I've got nothing to do with Stuff-X I must say
that you are being plain rude and wrong now!

KAH

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Aug 28, 2001, 8:06pm

? I didn't critisize you...

KAH

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Aug 29, 2001, 1:54am

Close enough. :) Freedom of speech means Freedom of intellectual speech.
That means if you know what you're going to say and you have a reason for
saying it, it's alright to say it. That's the general gist of it. There
are other things... slander cuts into this a bit and so does libel.

SW Chris

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Aug 29, 2001, 2:02am

He's trying to take the blame off of trekkerx and lanezeri.

SW Chris

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