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Jul 13, 2002, 10:28am

What kind of industry allows its players to get off scot-free after they've FUBARed? This is as bad as filing for bankruptsy and all your dept magically disappears, leaving other people to clean up your mess. I HATE business. Rick and JP need to pay for their mistakes, just as Enron, WorldCom, and Tyco are (or will eventually be) paying for theirs...

There's NO reason Rick and JP should have received $215,000 and $210,000 (note the correct punctuation), respectively (not that I have any respect for their business practices), for what they did. If anything, they should be paying the shareholders back for their shoddy management--and resigning control over AW to competent people who actually know what they're doing and have a VISION for AW instead of continuing to allow it to flounder like it has throughout its lifetime.

[View Quote] > As a remark to all posts above; I know that URL is *a lot* to read, but
> reading it *all* before making comments might help. Read a page, go have a
> coffee break, then read an other (that helped for me to at least understand
> better)
> I'm not a business-laywer where some were looking for, but to my
> understanding yes, J.P. and Noll quit as of immediatly and sold their
> shares back to the company for which they got paid.
> With this money and probably some savings, they acuired to buy AW, on which
> "the company" (now without J.P. and Noll) agreed.
> After doing so, they've appointed two people to manage *their* new company,
> two people who were already involved.
> But, the most tricky part is in the "liability"; they've quit and bought AW
> as two new, independent people, including all material, leases, loans, etc.
> etc.
> but *without* the old liability which could be held against any person
> (since the J.P and Noll who left are *not* the same J.P. and Noll who
> bought AW, or at least not their involvement)
> This is all moving around on paper, appearantly the meaning of "they quit
> the company" moreover means that they never even left the table they were
> sitting at while negociating.
> Or more clear, they didn't go anywhere at all, but *did* get rid of the two
> directors they wanted to get rid of plus that they can not be hold
> responsible for any misstakes or claims the "previous" J.P. and Noll
> involved in the company made.
> As little extra, they've bought themselves an other month of time for the
> reasonable amount of $15.000
>
> While everybody is talking about how the lead and management of AW is
> failing, personally I think it's a little demonstration of tricky
> businessmen which played out some cards they still had up their sleeves.
>
> In my opinion, like Daphne said, for now nothing changes visibly to AW
> users.
> Just wait and see which cards they have left to play in one month from now,
> hoping it's a full-house and things start moving forward and for the better
> from here :)

Jul 13, 2002, 10:59am

Just seems to me a "legal" flimflam aimed at getting themselves out from under the lawsuit and any
other "unpleasantries" Next thing you know, they'll be selling the company to their wives and
drinking buddies.....

"Corporate Restructuring" gotta love it.......

Jul 13, 2002, 1:50pm

Actually, it was AWC that sued Juno, so unless costs are becoming a problem for that lawsuit I can't see why they wouldn't want to
continue.

-Agent1

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Jul 13, 2002, 9:46pm

Drubi used the correct punctuation for several countries,
including his own and mine. Stop trying to behave like a
teacher and be more tolerant please.


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Jul 13, 2002, 11:19pm

It's not correct. Decimal points aren't commas (otherwise they'd be called "decimal commas"). Decimal points are PERIODS (.) used to separate fractional amounts; commas are used to separate thousands ("1,000"). You Europeans do it wrong. ;) Why don't you use commas instead of periods to end sentences and periods to represent pauses, too while you're at it? <snicker> Silly Europeans...

[View Quote] > Drubi used the correct punctuation for several countries,
> including his own and mine. Stop trying to behave like a
> teacher and be more tolerant please.
>
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Jul 13, 2002, 11:37pm

Decimal points, American football, miles, ounzes, 12 hour clocks,
hamburgers, microsoft ... really great improvements *g

Oh, and of course the decimal separator is a "Dezimalkomma" here.


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Jul 13, 2002, 11:46pm

Decimalcomma? lol....

SW Chris

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Jul 14, 2002, 12:12am

[View Quote] > Decimal points, American football, miles, ounzes, 12 hour clocks,
> hamburgers, microsoft ... really great improvements *g

Yup, most of which you couldn't live without. ;)

> Oh, and of course the decimal separator is a "Dezimalkomma" here.

Learn to separate words correctly too. ;)

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Jul 14, 2002, 12:30am

I trimmed all your crap out Eep - did I earn your undying love and
admiration. I guess not...

Jul 14, 2002, 12:43am

Tip: quote what you're replying to next time, champ. And don't create a new subject when you reply. Duh. Silly newbie.

[View Quote] > I trimmed all your crap out Eep - did I earn your undying love and
> admiration. I guess not...

Jul 14, 2002, 12:46am

Uh oh, better quit while we're ahead. ;) I smell a flame war in the making.

--Bowen--

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Jul 14, 2002, 12:52am

Good old Eep.

SW Chris

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Jul 14, 2002, 7:18am

Correct.

Eeeeep Said:
Decimal points are PERIODS (.) used to separate fractional amounts; commas
are used to separate thousands ("1,000"). You Europeans do it wrong. ;) Why
don't you use commas instead of periods to end sentences and periods to
represent pauses, too while you're at it? <snicker> Silly Europeans...

Hey, Im English (But I dont want to be european) and i get it right

Jul 14, 2002, 7:19am

Gotta love him, lol

SW Chris Said something allong the lines of:
> Good old Eep.

Jul 14, 2002, 7:57am

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Must have been a long time since you visited Europe last <g>...

Jul 14, 2002, 10:25am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Europeans invented the 12 hour clock and the
sandwich (which the hamburger is based off of). American football was based
off of rugby as well. Decimal points were introduced by the British, as was
our "standard" system.

--Bowen--

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Jul 14, 2002, 10:52am

in this case....British != Europe

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Jul 14, 2002, 12:46pm

Here's one correction you asked for :
Clock => http://www.ernie.cummings.net/clock.htm

Not sure about the sandwich, but I'm quite sure it's
not invented here.

I'm not into Fussball (what you call soccer), but I
don't understand why a game where you can use your
hands is called football.


And for the decimal comma (or point) - that's where
this part of the thread started - why not just accept
that countries are different?


I have no problems with people eating hamburgers,
using decimal points, 12 hour clocks, playing or
football. But I have a problem with intolerance.



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Jul 14, 2002, 12:47pm

Feel free to do so


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Jul 14, 2002, 1:08pm

One more interesting page about the 12/24 hours "problem"

http://www.cam.net.uk/home/pb/

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Jul 14, 2002, 2:29pm

yep... some things... umm... people, never change.....

guess once you know it all, your new job it to lecture everyone else on it.....

dork........

Jul 14, 2002, 2:32pm

[View Quote] You dont think "costs" are a major concern for them right about now ?
that and keeping their nice cushy jobs and fat salaries.....

Jul 14, 2002, 2:52pm

Nah I don't have a problem with you being different, I respect that. It's
just most Europeans blame the Americans for being different. We're just
keeping your old customs :P.

I don't understand football (american football) either, nor do I like it.

As for the time thing, I don't see who made it anywhere on that page, I
seriously doubt Americans came up with 12 hour time. Swiss clocks have been
around a lot longer I've heard. And to NCC, the brits are part of Europe
whether they want to say so or not.

And sandwhiches came from the Earl of Sandwhich, John Montague, (don't
laugh, it's true, so I've read). He was at a party and I guess he was
having a hard time eating his toast and meat while playing cards, so he put
them together. He was born in 1718 (before the US was the US for you
non-history savvy people).. LoL

--Bowen--

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Jul 14, 2002, 2:59pm

The earlist pendulum clock was invented by the dutch

http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa072801a.htm#pendulum

Which proves the 12 hour clocks existed before the US did :) At this time
the 24 hour time standard didn't exist, so it's still using the old 12 hour
system.

--Bowen--

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Jul 14, 2002, 7:31pm

maybe the americans didnt come up with all of this but how come they wanna
stick to all the ancient systems when there are much better ones today? why
still using 12 when there is the advanced 24 hour system? its pointless to
stick to inaccurate systems..

Jul 14, 2002, 7:32pm

Am and PM? Just as accurate, even more so actually cause the hands of the
clock move a larger distance per hour

Jul 14, 2002, 7:40pm

thats for an analog clock, but for announcing time its better to use 24 hrs
than using the bulky 12 hours with 2 letters appended, it saves u 2 bytes
which u can use for a 4-digit year..lolz
well all times in most of europe are announced in 24 hrs and u will not find
anyone saying 2:00pm when u ask someone what time it is, theyll tell u 14:00
even when they read it from an analog clock

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Jul 14, 2002, 7:48pm

No it's not. I don't know about you but I don't have a huge digital clock
in my room on the wall. Like I said in awteen, it's the same damn system.
Just subtract or add 12 and you're set. 14 o'clock or 14 hundred hours?
I'm pretty sure they'll tell you 2 o'clock instead. Most of my French and
English friends use the 12 hour system, you're the only one that can't
understand it.

--Bowen--

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Jul 14, 2002, 8:03pm

"bowen" <thisguyisashimmyritzer at 7k2.4mg.com> a écrit dans le message de
news: 3d31ac5a$1 at server1.Activeworlds.com...
> Nah I don't have a problem with you being different, I respect that. It's
> just most Europeans blame the Americans for being different. We're just
> keeping your old customs :P.
>
[SNIP]
are you really trying to protect epp's intolerance with such a mindless
comment about what "most" europeans are thinking...LOL poor baby.. so the
bad guys are the evil europeans who are soooo bad at you.....and it surely
allows eep to be mean. Wake up kiddo.. the point here is that eep is
intolerant... nothing more.. forget all the rest..
So, please,try to undersand what they're saying here.. They are not saying
your way to format numbers is dumb ! by the way, did you notice that only
eep is saying that to their way to format numbers ?
So don t take that for an attack to americans... :)
I m french and have friends in the USA.. I have no problem with them nor
with others americans ..
I know no europeans that blame americans for being differents.. LOL that so
away from reality....
but for sure they can blame you if you force them to change their customs ..
See,here in France we use a simple space to separate thousands and often we
even don t use anything..
Then , Did i post to ask eep to change the way he writes numbers? no,
because i know we all have differents way to write things and as long as I
can understand,there s no problem for me.... that the way internet opens our
mind... and that is called Tolerance... and it seems to be a notion that
eep doesn t want to understand...

By the way, You should not consider Europe as a whole.. Europe is a melting
pot.. and for your customs, most of them are from English folk so please
don't think it is common in all Europe.( especially when an english person
like ncc 72897 claims their differences.... )

sheesh.. where is the friendly aw spirit, Bowen .. :)

Regards,
MilesTeg

Jul 14, 2002, 8:13pm

no they wont say hundred hours or whatever that is, theyll say 14 o'clock or
2 o'clock, but NEVER am or pm
and everywhere u see time written it is in the 24 hr system

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