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Apr 17, 2002, 9:51pm

This is a public notice that citizen Cyclone citizen number 340396 has been
banned from A!!CT World and all worlds owned by MrBruce.
Reasons are as follows; has repeatedly used bots for purpose of obtaining
rights not allowed or issued to him, has used bots for the purpose of
deleting others property, has used bots to steal and obtain passwords and
priv passwords.
Has lied to and harrassed all members and builders of A!!CT world. He knows
all the tricks to get around world ejections, ejections are useless on this
kid.
Uses another citizenship called Jim Raynor cit number 312953 to hinder
detection and is owner of Crazybot world, where bot scripts are posted that
contain hacker codes.
This post is being issued as a public alert to the community and world
owners about this 13 year old terror, He is banned from A!!!!!CT, A!!CT,
A!!DISCO and A1CT, but he should be banned from AW's universe all together,
as he is nothing but pure trouble!
MrBruce A!!CT world owner.

Apr 17, 2002, 10:32pm

Brace for it, folks. It's gonna be sonofsolaris all over again! :P

[View Quote] > This is a public notice that citizen Cyclone citizen number 340396 has been
> banned from A!!CT World and all worlds owned by MrBruce.
> Reasons are as follows; has repeatedly used bots for purpose of obtaining
> rights not allowed or issued to him, has used bots for the purpose of
> deleting others property, has used bots to steal and obtain passwords and
> priv passwords.
> Has lied to and harrassed all members and builders of A!!CT world. He knows
> all the tricks to get around world ejections, ejections are useless on this
> kid.
> Uses another citizenship called Jim Raynor cit number 312953 to hinder
> detection and is owner of Crazybot world, where bot scripts are posted that
> contain hacker codes.
> This post is being issued as a public alert to the community and world
> owners about this 13 year old terror, He is banned from A!!!!!CT, A!!CT,
> A!!DISCO and A1CT, but he should be banned from AW's universe all together,
> as he is nothing but pure trouble!
> MrBruce A!!CT world owner.
>
>
>


--
Goober King
Or maybe it's *still* sonofsolaris...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Apr 17, 2002, 10:33pm

LOL.....ohhhhhh.....nooooooo!:)

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Apr 17, 2002, 11:33pm

LoL, wow...O_o!

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Apr 17, 2002, 11:48pm

Think you should have addressed this thread to aw if anyone is taking pw etc
and not a puplic NG.


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Apr 18, 2002, 12:00am

This is the right place to post this... World owners need to be aware of who is
out destroying work and other's builds. Things like this take unity to stop
them. As for AW... They still allow Dark Mod to be around showing that they
care less about doing the right thing. They just want the $$.


[View Quote] > Think you should have addressed this thread to aw if anyone is taking pw etc
> and not a puplic NG.
>
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Apr 18, 2002, 2:41am

Nah, the little upstart doesn't know about the newsgroups. Just don't tell
him. :)

SW Chris

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Apr 18, 2002, 2:42am

Ignoring the offtopic flame...

I hope you forwarded this notice and evidence to abuse at activeworlds.com

SW Chris

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Apr 18, 2002, 3:27am

Hi everyone:

[View Quote] Filmkr - Just curious, did you report Dark Mod to AW Abuse???

MrBruce - Just curious, did you send a copy of your post to AW Abuse???

Curiously Yours,

Patrick

Apr 18, 2002, 6:59am

Since you asked... I phoned AW and spoke with Noelle. I notified abuse the
weekend he posted the hacked passwords throughout the NG's. Noelle stated that
she spoke with J.P. and that he had supposedly ordered Tom to delete the
posts. I informed Noelle that the thread was very much still there. I asked
why he was still allowed in AW considering the enormous level of his abuse and
damages to so many. She stated that she went and asked J.P. and returned with
the "J.P. said he will look into it" reply. Well he must either not have
looked into it, or did and could care less of the many world owners Dark Mod
affected. So that is from the leadership and shows that the head of AW could
care less if someone steals, hacks or injures paying world owners, no matter
how many worlds and dollars invested, no matter how many man hours lost. I
personally represent over 100 property owners... If this were the real world
that constituancy would receive a concerned ear from the leadership. After all
it is more than 20% of the world income of AWLD.

That is why I can come forward and truthfully have the opinion that AW simply
could care less about anything from the users except their money.

I was also told today by a 4 year veteran world owner that he spoke with AW
and voiced complaint about their stealing away his FREE cit that came with his
ONE TIME Software purchase. The long are short of it was... If you don't like
the prices than you are not the type of people we are wanting in Active
Worlds. Not only did they bait and switch and cancel something they gave FREE
with a purchase to induce the person to buy, but they have insulted many
users by not living up to their e-mailed word. World owners are walking away
every day.

This is no flame... It is fact and opinion from someone very involved with
this program and it's paying users. I am out to see AW grow... but in 5 years
I have seen the leadership do nothing to help it's growth.



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Apr 18, 2002, 9:03am

OMG!!! He is capable of intelligent comment....

For once I can say: My thoughts exactly....

It usta' just be Eep, but it seems more and more people have the same jaded
view of AW these days...

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jeremy Booker
JTech Web Systems
(www.JTechWebSystems.com -- Coming Soon)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Apr 18, 2002, 10:41am

Why should we believe what you said is true? Just because you say someone
did something doesn't mean it really happened.

Please don't post things like this in the Community/Worldbuilders
newsgroups unless it affects *all* citizens.

More inline:

[View Quote] Like disconnecting and reconnecting to get a new IP address? That's not
really hard...

> Uses another citizenship called Jim Raynor cit number 312953 to hinder
> detection and is owner of Crazybot world, where bot scripts are posted
that
> contain hacker codes.

"Hacker codes" doesn't mean anything. If you have a problem with his world,
tell abuse at activeworlds.com

> This post is being issued as a public alert to the community and world
> owners about this 13 year old terror,

Oh please. Some kid "harassing" you is hardly a "terror".

> He is banned from A!!!!!CT, A!!CT, A!!DISCO and A1CT, but he should be
banned from AW's universe all together,
> as he is nothing but pure trouble!

Again, you haven't shown any proof of that. Don't bother replying and trying
to get me to change my mind - *I* can't ban him. Talk to AWC.


-Agent1

Apr 18, 2002, 11:00am

your way off base here Agent1 it's like your telling him to just be quiet....actually what he has done is a service to
AW....ALL of AW.... if it's not the truth that will come out soon enough..... i welcome information like this.....if AW
corporate does not care then it's up to us caring cit's to inform each other...... "united we stand"

Leo :)


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Apr 18, 2002, 11:52am

just another example of what some stupid people think is fun... and it
brings up the golden rule that you should NOT trust any program with your
PPW, if it seems dodgy, be carefull, only give out your PPW when you're sure
that the author of the bot is honest and does not steal passwords. These
script kiddies really piss me off, since they give bot programmers a bad
reputation and makes it harder for people to trust us! and about ejection
that's old news, the ejection system in AW isn't good enough.

KAH

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Apr 18, 2002, 1:38pm

The 3.3 help pages say you can soon eject by citnumber or computer ID.

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Apr 18, 2002, 1:51pm

Uhh, I think his post is valid for the Community/Worldbuilders newsgroups
also. I like knowing about little idiots running around and causing
trouble.
--
Mayor 'tax
www.swcity.net

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Apr 18, 2002, 2:53pm

I might not have had a problem with the post if it explained any of the
proof he had for making this acusation. As it stands, we have to trust his
"word".

-Agent1

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Apr 18, 2002, 5:06pm

Are you saying Cyclone is an evil AW hacker?
If you are, then I'd have to agree.

how lucky.


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Apr 18, 2002, 9:46pm

Proof is valid world server logs logging his cit# 340396 as the citizen
doing the deleting and where. Also a world citizen has sent me their AW chat
log which was recorded during the deletion period and Cyclone was in this
chat acting like he was helping to find the culprit, which was a supposed
tourist named "DELETE" Cyclone was too stupid to realize that the world
server logs track deletions.
He also came into A!!CT Wednesday night under his other citizenship #312953
and renamed it John Tims hoping I would not know it was him.
I feel bad for the kid, but I have to consider the many times he has done
stupid things and was forgiven and yet this time he hurt many people who
spent hours building, only to see the builds deleted right before their
eyes! Another thing he ruined, was the semi open bot rights that were
allowed in A!!CT world, now those rights have been suspended for everyone
except me.
If you all need proof, I will ask InSaNiTy of Heartfall.com to post the
world log for A!!CT for Sunday April 14 2002, which proves my accusations.
I've seen it and it clearly proves he's guilty.
PS yes the Pks have both the world log in question and the chat log.
MrBruce A!!CT World owner.
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Apr 18, 2002, 10:17pm

Cyclone has also been banned from AWSchool for quite a while now, for
offences many and varied and all of them rotten.

Apr 18, 2002, 11:33pm

I'm hoping that at least the community and the smaller community of
worldowners itself can have a bit of integrity and personal trust in each
other to whatever each of its members have to say for the good of the
community. I can understand being lied to by AWC, but obviously, if you guys
can't put trust on the company that created this program, you should at
least put it into the community. His accusations are a bit angry, perfectly
understandable, but how does one back up such an accusation? With chat and
world logs? Aren't those supposed to be private, as they are extremely
personal, except with AWC and the world owner itself. I'm not saying you
have to do anything the accuser says to, but mrbruce rarely posts here
unless its something important, I guess, unless he's new, in which case, he
doesn't have any bad newsgroup track record. I think you can safely assume
that what he says is somewhat credible. It's not like you have to take
action, especially never hearing from the other side. :)

Nornny

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Apr 18, 2002, 11:50pm

I believe it was great of MrBruce to post the warning. It doesn't mean
every world owner should ban the person immediately, just take MrBruces
warning into consideration whenever Cyclone, or whoever he ends up being at
the time, is in your world. Watch the person, see what he does, if you are
willing to risk it so you can get possibly more evidence of the guys
wrong-doings to help get the ball rolling in AW's banning court. But, if you
don't want to take the risk, just ban him from your world. Its best to
investigate things, however; maybe find out whats going on yourself. My
advice: Do what you seem is right for you and your investment (world).

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Apr 19, 2002, 10:44am

Agent1 the knight of pettyness strikes again ;-))

KAH

Apr 19, 2002, 11:24pm

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> It usta' just be Eep, but it seems more and more people have the same jaded
> view of AW these days...
>

And with good reason! :P

--
Goober King
One of AW's jaded since 1996...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Apr 20, 2002, 12:32am

Very constructive KAH ... you seem to have a grasp of what it is to be petty
yourself.

Grims

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Apr 20, 2002, 10:57pm

As for proof I am the ISP which hosts the worlds that Cyclone has attacked. The
child is out to cause damages where every he can. Mr Bruce's world allows great
building areas for tourists and this brings up issues that allow Cyclone to ruin
their builds. It is sad to see anyone destroy another's work. Just because they
are a tourist does not mean they do not have feelings and creative time
invested. What Cyclone has done is wrong. He is nothing but trouble and this has
been monitored for many months now. He has caused serious trouble in more than
one world. He has damaged more than tourist builds.

Yes it is always wise to seek verification... As Gorbachev said "Trust, but
verify" To not trust enough to seek further is simply being foolish. To defend
a person who maliciously destroys other's work is simply reckless and
irresponsible.

So now you have heard from Mr.Bruce, myself, a leading ISP owner and Kellee of
AWschool... If you fail to accept this as enough evidence... well... good luck
in life :)

Peace, health & healing to all...

Filmkr & InSaNiTy
http://worldhosting.heartfall.com





[View Quote] > I believe it was great of MrBruce to post the warning. It doesn't mean
> every world owner should ban the person immediately, just take MrBruces
> warning into consideration whenever Cyclone, or whoever he ends up being at
> the time, is in your world. Watch the person, see what he does, if you are
> willing to risk it so you can get possibly more evidence of the guys
> wrong-doings to help get the ball rolling in AW's banning court. But, if you
> don't want to take the risk, just ban him from your world. Its best to
> investigate things, however; maybe find out whats going on yourself. My
> advice: Do what you seem is right for you and your investment (world).
>
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Apr 20, 2002, 11:26pm

Hey filmkr:)
Are you an Internet Service Provider or Server Hoster?
As an ISP, you probably already know that all it takes is an email or a
phone call to the "alleged"'s ISP informing them of the problem and they
would knock them off the Net entirely. Once you locate the person's ISP,
check out the terms and conditions.
When I worked for one in Ohio, and we received one complaint about one of
our users, it was bye bye:)
But I would most certainly make sure of all the facts before reporting them.
Good luck:)
Bit:)

Apr 20, 2002, 11:48pm

Hi Bit,

Being a provider I already instructed Mr. Bruce on how to contact the abuse
department of Cyclone's ISP. However in this day and age there are hundreds of
providers he can simply change to. As for proof... I am puzzled why you would
still refer that there could be any doubt. Server logs show the actions of
deletion, the IP right down to the multi ports he used at one time, and the bots
he uses to locate the builds he wishes to delete on people. My stature in life
is hardly one that accuses someone with out proof. I know you have been in
support of hackers like Dark Mod staying and being allowed to further their
destructive ways but I am one for justice. Users and world owners pay hundreds,
sometimes thousands of dollars for their VR here. They deserve justice and
simply put... we don't need abusive hackers or build damaging scum in VR. When
justice is served it sets an example for the youth to grow up doing the RIGHT
things... rather than them seeing that the wrong get glory and allowance to
remain... as that only gives them an idea it might suit them.



[View Quote] > Hey filmkr:)
> Are you an Internet Service Provider or Server Hoster?
> As an ISP, you probably already know that all it takes is an email or a
> phone call to the "alleged"'s ISP informing them of the problem and they
> would knock them off the Net entirely. Once you locate the person's ISP,
> check out the terms and conditions.
> When I worked for one in Ohio, and we received one complaint about one of
> our users, it was bye bye:)
> But I would most certainly make sure of all the facts before reporting them.
> Good luck:)
> Bit:)

Apr 20, 2002, 11:55pm

filmkr....filmkr....filmkr....
And why the heck bring things I said in the past into this?....(Personally
I would like that part answered)....or you can treat it as a rhetorical
quetion....your choice:)
Quit being so danged defensive sweetie:)
I didn't question....just advised:)

Apr 21, 2002, 12:12am

Must you be so defensive, oh great one? I said it was "GREAT" of MrBruce
to warn the community. It benefits the community and world owners a great
deal. I simply said, however; not to ban this guy on site, yet to watch him
to see if he does do anything destructive. I have not been given any proof
he has done anything wrong, so I am not going to ban him from my world right
away. If he hacks my world and deletes everything, now that is just my fault
isn't it? I have seen no proof, however; and I am sure MrBruce is
trustworthy too, thats why I am going to watch this character if he ever
enters my vicinity. Simply saying that someone committed a crime without
showing any evidence, no matter how much one is trustworthy, doesn't make
the person that supposedly committed the crime guilty. Whatever happened to
innocent untill proven guilty, huh? All I was saying is for people to look
out, watch him, listen (if at all possible), to see if they can gather
information that would warrant this person being banned from AW as a whole
since no evidence was given out by anyone of this persons alledged
wrong-doings. Also, seeing how you like to jump the gun, and think everyone
should go to jail and be sued, I am not sure I trust YOU, filmkr, even
though you claim to be such a meritorious ISP. So, untill I get proof not
just people saying "HE DID IT, BAN HIM!" I will keep a look out, and see if
anything negative is being done by this citizen.

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