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Mar 4, 2002, 12:34am

I have gotten a lot of interesting feedback from this NG. In fact I have
probably been treated better than I deserved to be sometimes.

I enjoy participating in interesting discussions, OT or not OT.

But I must say that the last few major threads here have been NOT
INTERESTING.

We can't demand to be liked, forgiven, or respected. We gotta give
something. And we need to be at least aware of what politeness is.

Any thread containing ad hominem remarks, name-calling especially, drags the
author through a gutter that leaves an indelible swampy stain of adolescent
putridity.

Mar 4, 2002, 1:55am

Sometimes the best thing to do is ignore it. If everyone gets on board and
ignores whoever you're talking about, they will fade away. The second best
thing to do is to send an e-mail to our friendly neighborhood admin.
Tom at activeworlds.com

SW Chris

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Mar 4, 2002, 4:17pm

What the?
Why doesn't anyone support freedom of speech here?


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Mar 4, 2002, 6:16pm

Freedom of speech was designed to protect people from persecution based upon
their views on the government and the like. NOT personal vendettas. Also, on
PRIVATE PROPERTY such as this newsgroup, certain people may be disallowed
from doing certain things if they are found offensive. This is also the same
reason worlds have eject features, chats have kicks and bans. IRC has
K-lines. All different implementations of the same idea, shutting up the
offensive. Now before you claim that we don't support it, please attempt to
understand it, or at the very least read the f'n Constitution.

Oh, and we ain't all Americans.

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Mar 4, 2002, 6:23pm

If they have freedom of speech to say anything they want, we have the
freedom of speech to bitch about it. :-P

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Mar 4, 2002, 6:48pm

this may well be PRIVATE PROPERTY, however, its private the citizens of aw,
which i just happen to be. Are you stupid ? Did you pay more cash for
your membership or something ? do you have a higher ranking status than
others here ?

none of the above

why dont you get it thru your thick skull, you are here to partake if you
wish, not to judge me or any other and decided who should be allowed to post
or not.

shut the f'k up oh self-righteous one

cheers

SUN

Mar 4, 2002, 6:49pm

yes you do have THE SAME right to freedom of speach

however, to judge who should be allowed to post and who not, and who should
be banned etc etc, no you dont have that right, the same as i dont either

cheers

Sun


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Mar 4, 2002, 8:19pm

I'm sorry if that offended you, I didn't state that you don't support it. I
including a question-mark because it was more of a question than a
statement. If you feel that somehow supporting freedom of speech has in any
way a relation to being American, please explain your view, because I did
not remember mentioning America at all. If you associated America with
Freedom of speech, however, I cannot change your views. Freedom of speech is
freedom of speech, there is no degree of it, or regulation if it's
*freedom*. Something which is free has no catch, and those are rare things
indeed.

Shutting up the offensive? What is offensive to some may be enlightening to
others. Who should be the one to decide this? I know the News Groups are
controlled by Admins, but that doesn't mean everyone has to call in an Admin
every time something offends then. Everyone end up with no posts left at all
that way :(

It was just a question.....


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Mar 4, 2002, 8:21pm

Yes, Dion. But speech and action are two different things. When someone
calls in someone to delete others posts, it becomes something far more
different than just freedom of speech. It is taking anothers right because
someone feels they are more privileged to speak than others.

Sad :(


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Mar 5, 2002, 10:09am

Right on hon!! Before anyone reads any further, I want to make it clear
that this is NOT directed at any particular person. It's getting to be a
flame fest in here anymore. I sit here and read all this and wonder to
myself, ...Are all these people that unhappy that they feel the need to
criticize each other "every" time someone makes a post? It makes me sad to
think of all the hatred in the world today and there seems to be not only
impatience here on the AW ngs, but in almost all the ngs I read these days.
Doesn't anybody have any tolerance for humanity anymore? To me, there is no
difference tween a ng and a message board. When someone would post in here
about how unhappy they were with the AW price changes/tourist changes, they
were yelled at cus a few people on here were tired of reading about it. When
people make innocent mistakes and its posted in here, there are a few people
who waste no time jumping down their throats and virtually "hang them".
Since we've all pretty much given up on discussing the AW price changes,
everything posted in here seems to be about what someone did or didn't do.
Ok, if the guy is innocent, I think an apology is in order in public to
clear his name. Not necessarily from any particular person either. Look at
what happened with Gavroche for example. A concerned guy heard that someone
he respected was killed and felt the loss emotionally. He felt loss in his
heart. He thought others should know and reacted by posting on here to
notify anybody else who might care. But what did some people do?? They
yelled at him. Called him a liar. Dragged him over the coals for not getting
more proof. If one of my online buddies were seriously injured or possibly
killed, I would have no real way of finding out either. I don't have the
phone number or address of any of my online friends. (I don't want to impose
that kind of request on them. Nowadays its risky to give out that kind of
information). I would have no way of verifying the information I heard. But
that wouldn't stop my emotions from upsetting me. AW is an emotional place
and so are the ngs. There are many ways of looking at things. All I'm saying
is, think before you (anyone on here) react to a posting. Some people
innocently get misleading information and react to it. And then they are
criticized by other people for misspelling, expressing their own views, or
pointing out something that should be brought to the AW community's
attention, (which is what this ng should be about anyway). Nobody should be
made to feel that they are unwelcome to this ng. This ng is not for the use
of a small group of people, it belongs to the AW community at large whether
that person is new to ng's or not. It should not be a place for belittling
or bickering. That should be done either in AW, another chat program, or
personal emails. I have read all the posts in this ng going back to early
last year, even though I didn't begin this ng till Jan 02. It "used to be" a
great place to get updates on all kinds of information. Now folks seem
intimidated to post anything. Even opinions good or bad. I for one feel
intimidated anymore to make any comments on here. Several long time AW
citizens have told me they don't feel comfortable making posts on here
anymore cus a few individuals would only pick them apart and criticize them
on their grammar, values, or information being presented. And I'll bet
somebody will have something nasty to say about "this" post as well. Heck, I
don't mind a difference of opinion, but who will be the first one to pick it
apart and criticize what I'm saying...what I feel inside? There's nothing
wrong with a debate. But why let it get out of control in public? Why let a
simple difference in opinion turn ugly and nasty on a message board? Life is
short folks. Value other people's perspectives more often and you will be a
better person for it. Ok....let the critiques begin....who's gonna be the
first.....?


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Mar 5, 2002, 10:51am

So, in summary, you're saying that the community newsgroup is boring, crap
and not worth the effort of posting in (over the past 4-5 days at least)?
If so .... I totally agree.

Grims

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