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Let me tell of a tale 'bout a man named George.. // Communitysw chrisJan 3, 2002, 3:54am
Let me tell of a tale 'bout a man named George..
Rich beyond his years, he taxed to death the poor Then one day he raised his taxes through the roof And over in the States came a bubblin feud. (Revolt, that is, no taxation, without representation) Well, the first thing you know the armies was drawin near Colonists said, George, get the heck outta here. Said, London is the place your armies oughta be So they loaded up the rifles and sent them back to Britainy. Well, now it's time to say goodbye, to George and all his friends They would like to thank you folks for the lot o' dividends This'll never be a British Commonwealth again. Say hello to the United States, a new country for free men. (Declaration, that is, of independence, and liberty). Y'all come back now, hear? -- Moral of this story. This business plan's going to kill AW in the same amount of time leaving the pricing alone will. Alternative solution: Kill the 3D homepage program, sell the excess bandwidth, and cut all non-essential jobs, and I'm certain Mr. Noll and Mr. McCormick and other staff members can take a salary cut. Then if there's still not enough to pay off your debts, raise the renewal prices a few dollars, but not so much that a lot of folks can't afford it. SW Chris sw chrisJan 3, 2002, 5:07am
Ugh.. Ok I'm retracting this. It's a fun read but I think Facter convinced
me to hang in there. If Rick knows what he's doing, then this is all a very small part of a last-ditch effort to save AW! Just wait and you'll see. It's got about a 50/50 chance of happening I gather, so hope and pray that it does. Rick and everyone else... whatever this plan of yours is, it better work. The best of luck to all of you. Go get em! SW Chris [View Quote] lilalpha phalphaJan 3, 2002, 6:05am
Yes, facter enlightened a few of us that this is all part of a larger plan
that "we should enjoy" if AW lasts long enough to see it through. For all of you complaining, if you love AW enough money is no object, however if you think it is to much then leave, theres no compromise. Apparently this has been in planning for a few months, since Facter knows about it. He didn't give us any details, but I hope it works whatever it is. Rick has saved AW before and hes gonna do it again (hopefully). For all you AWCOM folks and the entire AW Community, good luck and godspeed! LilAlpha Phalpha [View Quote] moff piettJan 3, 2002, 6:40am
Although maybe if we knew the plan we could all rally around it and have
better morale. Right now the common attitude is "what a bunch of idiots!". Since the plan really depends on us, the customers, maybe we should know about it? I'm sure it would help many of us shoulder the burden of the rise in the price if we knew it was all for a good cause and we could understand how it will work. Of course they don't OWE us an explanation. But we also don't OWE them to remain customers... facterJan 3, 2002, 7:33am
> Ugh.. Ok I'm retracting this. It's a fun read but I think Facter
convinced > me to hang in there. If Rick knows what he's doing, then this is all a very > small part of a last-ditch effort to save AW! Just wait and you'll see. > It's got about a 50/50 chance of happening I gather, so hope and pray that > it does. > > Rick and everyone else... whatever this plan of yours is, it better work. > The best of luck to all of you. Go get em! I dont think its a lat ditch attempt - I did say though, that with the market the way it is at the moment, that we just have to have faith in them. I have faith in Rick, if its one thing that I learnt about him in the time I worked for AW, and that is that he genuinely loves Activeworlds, and will do whatever he can for it. Yes, I am also sure that this is probably only a small part of it. Just have faith in the driver, I'm sure he'll get us all to where we want to go. If he doesnt, well, then its been a hell of a ride, right? F. facterJan 3, 2002, 7:49am
> Yes, facter enlightened a few of us that this is all part of a larger plan
> that "we should enjoy" if AW lasts long enough to see it through. For all of > you complaining, if you love AW enough money is no object, however if you > think it is to much then leave, theres no compromise. Apparently this has > been in planning for a few months, since Facter knows about it. He didn't > give us any details, but I hope it works whatever it is. Rick has saved AW > before and hes gonna do it again (hopefully). > > For all you AWCOM folks and the entire AW Community, good luck and godspeed! MMmmmm, well, I dont believe I said those words exactly, and nope, no details, but you got the gist right - but as I said before, I do have faith in their future plans, and I'll always be rooting for the continuance of such an amazing peice of software. Plan? Of course they have a plan. I know a small portion of it, but its no secret theey have a plan - they are a company, and every company needs a plan. If one plan fails, then they switch to another plan, and if the plans keep failing, then try again, it the same old adage. Something Moff said, makes me point out something which in talking to these guys I should of made quite clear - I dont know the specific plan, and even if I did then I would not, nor find it honorable to reveal what it was, or even discuss details as to it. Even without my signature on an NDA I could still not ever find it in me to tell any of you things which I know about in confidence - it is ethically alien to me to even think of such a thing. But I dont know any specific plan, so I think that perhaps there was some confusion there - I know of what they *hope* to do eventually, and I know parts of the overall game plan for the next year - of course,t his could of changed, how do I know ? I'm jsuta normal member of the community now. See? Feathers and all. I'm as surprised about the price increase as everyone else, and I have no diea how it will actually pan out, but I do see why it was installed in the first place, and I do understand alot of the motivation behind it. Heck, I dont work there, nor privy to anything that goes on there anymore, but I'd like to think that after working in the environment for a year and a half that I get the gist, and I have high hopes for this software. Really, really, high hopes. Stick it out. Stay until your citz run out, and if the changes have been made obvious by the time it gets to that stage, then pay the extra money per month. If they havnt, and you remain skeptical of the future, or where the company is heading, then dont pay up, its as easy as that. If you cant have faith in the future of something that you claim to love so much, and cant be bothered paying $2 a week to help sustain that thing that you love, then hell, quit - no one will stop you, that is your perogative. As for me, well, my working for them I hope was jsut a small portion of my part in AW. Hell, I've been here since 96, and I'll be here ont he day it gets shut down til the last minute. For what it is worth to Rick himself and the rest of you, I think I will always in some way hold to the fact that there is hope for the Activeworlds community as long as he is at the helm - he is a kind, generous and genuinly loving man towards this software. You'd have to be to invest as much time into it as he has, whether it is a job with an income, or not. There are some things, that money *cant* buy, and that is community - but it sure as hell can help pay the rent. F. mojobonesJan 3, 2002, 1:49pm
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Sounds just like Boss Hogg from The Dukes of Hazzard! LOL Every Friday night he was up to no good. Taking money from the innocent town folks and he was always messing with those sweet Duke boys & poor old Uncle Jessie & I do believe he wanted to get his greedy little hands on that sizzlin' Daisy Duke a time or two if I remember correctly. Oh, yeah! Good old Boss Hogg! One thing you could count on with him though.....he always had a plan! But I do remember this.... I never saw a single one of his plans work in his favor. Probably because he was always so concerned about his wants and his needs that he would always forget to tell Roscoe P. Coltrain exactly what needed to be done to make the plan work. What a great television program that was. And I never thought for once that it would teach me a lesson about life. Definately ahead of it's time! YEE HAW!!! Pigs get fed.......but "Hogg"s get slaughtered! :o) Cast: Boss Hogg - Rick Noll Roscoe P. Coltrain - AW Community Bo Duke - "Tourist1" Luke Duke - "Tourist2" Daisy Duke - "Tourist3" Uncle Jesse - "Tourist4" "Emmy bound", MoJoBoNeS sw chrisJan 3, 2002, 5:09pm
mojobones, you're an idiot, plain and simple. Your opinion is your opinion,
but my opinion of your opinion is that you jumped to conclusions. Go and look at all the facts for yourself instead of listening to the GZ'ers. THEN come back and tell us that. SW Chris [View Quote] dotar sojatJan 3, 2002, 5:46pm
After sleeping on the matter (not easy to do with the flu), I have decided I
will ride it all out as long as my most recently purchased citizenship last. BUT, I must express extreme displeasure at the un-professional method of announcing this pricing change. If they had this plan worked up months ago as some of those "in the know" claim, we should have had more than a 24 hour notice. [View Quote] > convinced > very > > I dont think its a lat ditch attempt - I did say though, that with the > market the way it is at the moment, that we just have to have faith in them. > > I have faith in Rick, if its one thing that I learnt about him in the time I > worked for AW, and that is that he genuinely loves Activeworlds, and will do > whatever he can for it. Yes, I am also sure that this is probably only a > small part of it. > > Just have faith in the driver, I'm sure he'll get us all to where we want to > go. If he doesnt, well, then its been a hell of a ride, right? > > F. sw chrisJan 3, 2002, 8:04pm
Having a longer notice wouldn't have helped things. But then again, who's
to say it would have made things worse? SW Chris [View Quote] lilalpha phalphaJan 4, 2002, 5:02am
I am including a copy of this discussion we had with facter
<snip> Goober King: Trust me, I'll be doing much pondering over this and scheming as well :) SW Comit: are you pondering what I'm pondering? Syntax: SW Comit: Whilie Cyotes us Syntax: omg that's going on the website as your quote Goober King: I think so Brain, but burlap chaffs me so... SW Comit: ^_^ Syntax: O_O LilAlpha Phalpha: EA SW Comit: I'm asking Duskbat to join. An insider him SW Comit: *silence* Syntax: I'm asking Teddy Man Soft to join. An insider him. Facter: oh yeah, invite me to join then ignore me chris =P SW Chris: y Goober King: Guess I'll be staying a bit longer.... hay Facter :) SW Comit: ^_^ Syntax: lol hi Fac SW Chris: oh there you are. Facter: aye guys SW Chris: Sorry for missing your join request. :\ SW Comit: lol chris you always do that LilAlpha Phalpha: hi facter Facter: its okay, just giving you shit :) Goober King: hehe Facter: ok SW Chris: I was rereading my Talking Points column. Syntax: yea he always does that Facter: i cant relaly comment on this muchin all honesty :) SW Chris: That is my one and only flaw. ^_^ LilAlpha Phalpha: <cough> Syntax: lol "hub-bub" Facter: reading their statement well SW Chris: I think you knew about it several months ago. :) But we were talking about the possibility of appealing to another corporation to buy AWC out. SW Chris: like Sony or AOL/Time Warner. Facter: I'd say that what is written there, isnt an excuse, and is probably the truth - i mean, rick signed it, and I no matter what, I have never, ever known Rick to be a deceptive man - its not in him SW Comit: Time Warner would be interested? SW Chris: I believe every word he said. SW Comit: AOL I can see, they buy a lot of stuff SW Chris: They are a media company... *shrug* Facter: yeah, so do I SW Chris: He's just not a businessman, it seems. Goober King: I don't think any of us here is in doubt of him... It's just that do they really need to go that high? Goober King: Do they truly understand the ramifications of all this? Facter: I know, that there is more to the story..i actualyl know a shitload of stuff that you guys dont, company stuff..i know some plans etc etc that they have in the works, and I can also see how this fits in with some of those plans SW Chris: Well those plans won't work if Ol' George is still a rulin from England. :) SW Chris: (see community newsgroup for an explaination) *shrug* Goober King: The letter made it sound like Rick was just expecting the rest of the community to go along with this scheme... LilAlpha Phalpha: LOL SW Chris: I think he was hoping against hope that most people would understand. Facter: ricks a fukin great guy, honestly - if he thinks he's doing the right thing, then that is what he in his heart believes - I had the opportunity to get to know him in person, and all I know is that the man is a truely good soul SW Comit: hmm I can't see why they need the sharp revenue change, are they planning on hiring 20 programmers or something? Facter: goober SW Chris: Lara's not happy that's for sure. Facter: I dont think he's expecting anything SW Chris: tortured soul as well. :\ Facter: and I'm damn sure, that he knew that there were going to be alot of unhappy people Goober King: Lots of people aren't happy, Chris SW Chris: What would dumping the 3d homepages program and selling excess bandwidth do to help things? Facter: oh man, how would you feel having to do something like this, seriously ? Goober King: Frankly, I would have at least given everyone a bit more notice that one whole day :P Facter: have any of you guys looked at the economy lately? im amazed AW didnt fold along with the rest of the internet companies in the past year SW Chris: Read the Talking Points article. :) Facter: notice for what though goober? Facter: if they are going to do it,t hey are going to do it - what difference is one day, a week, or a month going to do? Facter: you all have cits, im sure you have time left on them SW Chris: Looking at it from Rick's perspective, yeah Facter you're right. Facter: look Facter: im not taking sides here SW Comit: afaw while I read talking points Facter: one of the hardet fukin things i did was go to work for that company, and basically ostracise myself fromt he community SW Chris: neither are we we hope. Syntax: He said ostrich ^_^ SW Chris: .... Goober King: *smacks Syn* Syntax: lol Syntax: Too bad Comit is afaw, he woulda laughed :-P Facter: but ive had the unique perspective to be in on things that you guys dont know, and am privvy to a plan they have that will, if it works, probably end up knocking your socks out - if they survive that long..which I guess is allt hey are trying to do n Facter: I think its jsut a wait and see thing really Goober King: The problem is, Facter, we've heard that line before... Facter: so thats all I'm going to do...wait and see Goober King: Same here SW Chris: I'll be praying it does. But I really wish he'd explain it. Facter: the thing is goober - it hasnt been someone you trust telling you that line Facter: I'd like to think you guys trust my opinion sometimes, even if I am naive to believe so =P Goober King: True enough... but then, Rick and JP should already be people I can trust :P Facter: well, you dont, and thats reality Facter: its shame, but you dont Syntax: I think you have some good points fac Facter: hell, i dont trust bill gates and i still use his stupid software SW Chris: but Facter.. Facter: what I *do* trust is you guys SW Chris: we don't have a _choice_ =P Goober King: I'd love to trust them to, honestly... But I just can't given their past performance Facter: of course you have a choice man Facter: use AW or leave SW Chris: not to use Microsoft's software Facter: pay what they want, or leave SW Chris: that's what I waws talking about. : ) Facter: let it fail, or let it live Facter: there is always a choice, its jsut not always the choice YOU want SW Chris: touche Goober King: I guess real life had to intrude on the virtual one at some point *smirk* Facter: at some stage you guys will have to choose to go, or stay SW Chris: interesting take on that situation. Facter: yeh, it sucks when that happens Syntax: bah Syntax: But what if AW goes go belly-up? SW Chris: I for one will hang on till it's not worth it anymore. Facter: fuck, we've stuck with it this long Syntax: What will I do with this 3 years of work? Goober King: Then we move on, Syn Facter: if it goes belly up? SW Chris: And after that I'll keep a close eye on what AWC is doing. Syntax: What will i do with all this work? Facter: hmmm Syntax: 400k+ of objects built? Goober King: Remember it LilAlpha Phalpha: Facter if it goes "belly up" will the other universes go down too? SW Chris: would uniservers still work if there's no company left to pay dues to? Goober King: They certainly wouldn't develop anymore Facter: well, seriously...if it went belly up financially? rick and JP would still own it. It wouldnt disappear I dont tihnk..they could fire everyone at the office,a dn keep it running probably Goober King: You think OW or City4All has any programmers of Roland's caliber? :P SW Chris: but it'd be a nice museum piece. Have your own personal uniserver just to preserve this city. Facter: it jsut would enver,e ver grow, and it would soon, ina year or two, be a meuseum and obsolete Facter: goober Facter: theres a difgference - what the hell do they need bloody programmers for ? they buy the software from aw ? LilAlpha Phalpha: would need a uniserver, mabey just a galaxy Facter: then go to another universe guys Facter: there are plenty out there, ow is a fun place Facter: as for the stuff here ? SW Chris: Well we're rootin for AW. Goober King: That's what I mean, Fac... if AW stops, they take all the other universes with it Facter: Get a world, back up the work you did in here, and re-bot it in a different universe with the same object path Facter: eh Facter: goober SW Chris: :\ SW Chris: We can't afford a p500 Syntax: lol Goober King: We'll be stuck in 3.2 for eternity LilAlpha Phalpha: LOL Syntax: yea this city is 800 x 600 coords Facter: I hav been to universes that have never been paid for, lets not be naive here SW Comit: back SW Comit: 500x850+ for the hundreth time >_< SW Chris: ah, he catches on. LilAlpha Phalpha: LOL Syntax: Go up and read my funny comment, COmit :-P SW Chris: It is a last-ditch option though. SW Comit: I did Syntax: ^_^ Goober King: I know that... But AW is the only one actually *developing* the software... if AW goes stagnant, so will all the other Universes SW Chris: only should the community itself cease to exist. Facter: yes? Facter: of course? SW Comit: as for the UniverseX, David16 runs it Facter: I dont see the argument here ? SW Comit: with dennis and magical SW Chris: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Facter: so it goes belly up? no more AW ? Facter: let me ask you something Facter: so what ? SW Chris: to clarify on Goober's part... no more new tech from AW. Syntax: ah well.. Syntax: I'll just pay for one month of AW a year.. Facter: what, do you guys love this place so much that you'd miss it ? Goober King: No, because once development stops, then interest wanes and the community disappears SW Chris: Yeah! :) Facter: right Syntax: Fac..yes Facter: the community tends to die right ? Goober King: You tell me, Fac... I've spent 5+ years here Facter: then stop your bitching, keep supporting them for as long as you feel you are morally able to, or financially able to, and see where it takes you Facter: because the only way its going to survive is by following their game plan Syntax: Yea I guess your right. Facter: theres no question about that Facter: what the hell choice do you guys have? its a business? ither support them or dont, stay, ro leave - its pretty simple SW Comit: they outa just cut staff....look at Motorola, a major communication company. They had finical problems so they cut staff, you didn't see them jacking the prices on their computer parts, they got too much competition Goober King: That's all well and good, but if I decide to play along, it won't make much of a difference if nobody else does :P Facter: comit Syntax: yea i guess.. Goober King: They don't have that much of a staff to cut, Comit :P Facter: read what you just said SW Chris: It is also a way of life. Facter: plese note, that your talking to someone that worked for them until two or so month ago, and read the line you jsut wrote Facter: ahem. hello. people. unemployed individual here. Syntax: lol duh SW Chris: Welcome to the No Spin Zone. SW Comit: welp, dunno what to say about that...it happens SW Chris: I think he was pointing out that they alread DID cut staff. Facter: well yes, but if you guys think that all f this is sudden, jsut review the past year or so and you'll see its not Syntax: Guess we'll have to pay if we want the city. Goober King: Smooth, Comit :P Facter: ahem. well. yes, that was my point exactly. SW Chris: Well I'm savin. Syntax: *shrugs* Syntax: same Syntax: ugh but its like $18 a month in Canada :-(( Goober King: I'm renewing ASAP, so I don't have to pay until next year :) SW Chris: ahh Syn... give Facter a break. LilAlpha Phalpha: do they really need 5 programmers tho, werent they doing fine with just roland? Syntax: hehe I have until October... SW Chris: He's been through that all night I bet. Facter: but...I have faith in Rick, in all honesty. alot of times I didnt agree with him, and sometimes I still dont..but if this is what he thinks he can do, then I'll believe him. He saved this place from disappearing once before, and I reckon he probablyd SW Chris: August for me. SW Comit: they got 5? wow didn't know that =P Syntax: Well..HamFon, Roland, Nanodragon... Facter: has enough lvoe..no, nto probably, he fukin adores this place and this community, you have no idea - i reckon he can do it again Syntax: err Facter: five Facter: hamfon, roland, shamus, nanodragon and grimm as contractor SW Comit: what's a nanodragon? lol Syntax: oh right Facter: a very small dragon Facter: :) SW Comit: heh =P Syntax: >_< Goober King: You also gotta remember that everyone raised the same ruccus back when they first introduced the $20/yr fee, and the community managed to survive that too Syntax: Would that be a lizard? :-D SW Comit: Hey facter I thought you left AW cause you found a better job? Facter: yep, it did - and, aftr thgat, it actually made money through investment, and even went over the blackline for a short time til the market died SW Comit: I didn't follow up on the story well Facter: no SW Chris: Would the MMORPG comparison hold up here Facter? Subscribers to those services pay around 10 bucks a month as well. Facter: i left AW because I had other things in my life I wanted to do Facter: it was a mutual compromise between all parties involved SW Comit: mmm I thought that implied as another job Facter: other things in life do not necessarily always mean a 9-5 job my friend..no, im happily writing music, and doing scifi stories...and im about to move over to London, and start exploring Europe for a while :) SW Comit: mmm those MMORPGs are worth 10 a month, though..it must be, most of them have millions of users O_O SW Comit: well not most SW Comit: lots... Facter: chris, yes, that comparison could hold up Syntax: Speaking of MMORPG's.... Facter: *waiting for his SoL CD to arrive* Syntax: I hear Helbreath calling my name, lol SW Comit: but I thought *you* left AW, they didn't lay you off... Facter: mmmmm Facter: its long story, and not really one that I think is up fer discussion - lets just say that we all had to do things, and we parted on good terms, and I enjoyed working there SW Chris: ahhhh SW Comit: np Facter: but in all honesty, i think I rpefer now to just be one of you guys :) SW Chris: sounds good. Goober King: hehe SW Chris: Eep's not around to bug you either. ^_^ SW Comit: lol Syntax: lol SW Comit: if he did I'd bump warp him to my sfx hell Facter: h, and i've been gettin in some damn good EQ in my time off too..hehehe SW Chris: I'm glad he's gone. Facter: hehe Facter: eep? SW Chris: yes... Goober King: He didn't leave AW entirely... SW Chris: all he did was moan and complain. Goober King: Or did he? Facter: I actually think hes okay, always made things interesting SW Chris: And if you saw that masochistic post about what he does in his spare time on Usenet... Facter: he just gave me the absolute shit is all :) LilAlpha Phalpha: LOL yes he did Facter: hay Goober King: I thought he was just kicked out of the NGs... SW Comit: Grace Mace would be a good addition to our conversation, too bad he's not here =P Syntax: lmao SW Comit: *shakes head* SW Chris: heh well don't worry. It was the exact same stuff he pulled in the AW NGs. Facter: hes a pudgy young guy with nothing but his computer for companionship SW Chris: :( LilAlpha Phalpha: accually, all of eep's posts had a point, they werent just complaints Facter: hes gotta get his anger out soemhow :) Facter: and SW Comit: lol pudgy Facter: hes quite intelligent SW Chris: he's got a lot of it. Facter: an idiot, but quite intelligent Goober King: So smart, he's stupid :) SW Comit: legless you SW Chris: intelligence should have some mind to not take out his anger on the defenseless. But that's another story. Facter: thats not intelligence Facter: thats wisdom Facter: note I did not say he was wise, there is a huge difference :) SW Chris: I figured the two went hand in hand. Goober King: That's social intelligence... something that I find a lot of people are lacking :P SW Chris: :) Facter: not at all ! SW Comit: >_< Facter: wisdom and intelligence are two completly seperate beings SW Comit: wisdsom is the intellegence of using/applying intellegence Facter: they go hand in hand with *time* maybe, but its not a given thing SW Comit: so now what? SW Comit: ... Facter: god, look at this world - if intelligence went with wisdom, no one would of invented an atomic bomb, or they would of buried it forever :) Goober King: Well, folks... I'm gonna head out... I have much to ponder... SW Comit: just let fire burn itself out? SW Chris: We wait. Pray. Continue on with our lives. Facter: hahaha Facter: gnite mate Facter: good seein ya SW Chris: nice seeing you too. :) Goober King: You too man... don't be a stranger :) Syntax: Yea im outta here too.. SW Chris: btw.. SW Comit: adious SW Chris: if aw does go belly up.. Facter: yeh, i'll try not to..i just wanted a break n all honesty SW Chris: you will tell us what those plans were right? :) Syntax: Bye guys Facter: too many questions and I Know Too Many Things I Want To Tell People :) Syntax: err, girls Syntax: Sorry Facter: hahahaha Syntax: See ya later Facter: yeh, l8r girls SW Chris: I have a feeling that they'll pull through.... SW Comit: psstt Facter, tell me, does Enzo have a secret account that he build on like a normal user? ;) SW Comit: lol SW Chris: It's like Luke and the Death Star run. Goober King: heh Rather hard to have an NDA with a company that doesn't exist :) Facter: man SW Chris: one torpedo and 5 seconds to go. Facter: he owns the company, he can have as many accounts as he wants :) SW Chris: The Force is with him. Facter: true Facter: but it does exist, and IU'm an honorable guy Goober King: *nod* And I'm thankful for that SW Comit: lol I had a dream I met Enzo in r/l. He looked like my principal O_O I told him he was a bad builder and he got all mad SW Chris: you have wierd dreams. SW Comit: LOL LilAlpha Phalpha: lol Facter: eh, im a rough and crude bitch sometimes, but I do have honour :) Goober King: heh Facter: lol Facter: yes SW Comit: Enzo's secret user account = sirQus O_O Facter: odd , ive dreamt about AW too many times SW Chris: I only dream of AW when I'm absolutely sick of it and want to take a break from it. LilAlpha Phalpha: LOL Facter: awrite, headin ta bed..take it easy guys SW Chris: It's sad. but true. :) SW Chris: goodnight. SW Comit: buy facter LilAlpha Phalpha: nite facter :) SW Chris: please build here sometime! :D SW Comit: lol chris Facter: doint stress too much hay...hang in there, if it works, then yay ! if it doesnt, then we deal Facter: l8zz SW Chris: night. SW Comit: *wonders if facter builders* SW Comit: he's legless now =P SW Comit: builds* SW Chris: scotty missed and put him in the ground at waist level. LilAlpha Phalpha: LOL SW Chris: Beam me up <snip> syntaxJan 4, 2002, 8:09pm
Yea, read the stuff Facter said, but I have to point out one thing!
-Facter: one of the hardet fukin things i did was go to work for that company, and basically ostracise myself fromt he community -Syntax: He said ostrich ^_^ The greatest joke ever that <snip> |