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Oct 2, 2001, 1:32am

Please stop your whining about versions, go back to the old one if you don't
like 3.2.
Update your drivers, buy new hardware. You have to do it to keep up with
programs and technology.
If you are still running a PII 200 or something you are way out and barely
even supportable by today's (this weeks) standards.

I have had No issues with 3.2 at all.

But I guess the news group is a place to rant, it's just so bad to hear
people whine incessantly build after build. You people will never be
satisfied till you can plug in AW into the back of your necks, and live in
it that way. The again you will probably still whine then.

Z!

Oct 2, 2001, 4:42am

I've got an old PII 300 and an ancient matrox card and have had zero
problems. I've never had a single big issue with aw for literaly years..
not sure what other people have done to their computers, but since 2.0 I've
heard nothing but complaining when a new version comes out.

Oct 2, 2001, 5:47am

I needed to update video driver, and I need a faster connection. Since
there is no way to set visibility to 25, I'm running slower. It seems I'm
constantly tinkering around with that visibility thing, the 30 is grayed out
it is always on float. I set it one way and it goes back to float.

I saw somewhere in the NG where sw comit said his computer completely
rebooted while in aw. My computer has done that with 2.something;
therefore, if the involuntary reboot is an AW problem, it was a problem
long before this newest version. It could have been my old ATI Rage video
card causing the problem. I don't recall reboot problems after my new video
card was installed.

sw comit says there's texture tags and I do see that problem, but have not
installed the march 2001 update to my video card so do not know whether this
will take care of that problem or not.

It's wonderful that Roland/AW is able to gives us the absolute latest
software trinkets; however, it goes out-of-date so quickly, it seems to
allow only for those who have the $$$'s to upgrade equipment, computer savvy
individuals and lots of time on their hands to get it working. Almost as
much of a lost cause as keeping spam away.

AW Explorer

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Oct 2, 2001, 9:08am

you don't need to set your visibility to 30. set it to float and it will
(should) stay at a good range compared to your frame rate. that's why they
out that in 3.2

Oct 2, 2001, 9:10am

shut up, gnome! everyone hasn't got a lot of money to spend on computers,
you know! I have lots of problems, even though I actually did buy some new
hardware for AW! so go eat a tree and shut up!

KAH

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Oct 2, 2001, 10:20am

When the check mark is next to float, it does not stay at an acceptable
range for me. At times it goes up to as much as 100 visibility, to down to
60 at ground zero. I do not want 60 visibility at gz, I want 25, but since
25 isn't available anymore, I must choose 40, since 30 is grayed out.

Each person's computer is different. I've always been able to move around
quickly using 25 most of the time. I'd rather sacrifice graphics for speed.
It's just my preference. I like 40 watt light bulbs in my kitchen and I'm
darn glad General Electric doesn't make them fluctuate to 100 when 'they'
feel it is appropriate. If I want 100 watts, I'll go out and buy another
light bulb.

AW Explorer

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Oct 2, 2001, 12:02pm

I think you're confusing the Visibility menu with the Minimum visibility
setting in the Options -> Settings -> Performance tab. The visibility
menu is just a quick fix, and will temporarily fix your visibility to
whatever you choose, until you restart the browser. The Minimum
visibility/frame rate setting, however, will permanently set a minimum
value. So, if you like better frame rate and less visibility, just set
your fps to ~20 and your visibility to around 30. Then, when you have
Float selected in the Visibility menu, it will use whatever visibility
will get you 20 fps. So, if you go into a more crowded area, the
visibility will go down, and it will go up in a less crowded area, but
your frame rate will remain constant.

[View Quote] > When the check mark is next to float, it does not stay at an acceptable
> range for me. At times it goes up to as much as 100 visibility, to down to
> 60 at ground zero. I do not want 60 visibility at gz, I want 25, but since
> 25 isn't available anymore, I must choose 40, since 30 is grayed out.
>
> Each person's computer is different. I've always been able to move around
> quickly using 25 most of the time. I'd rather sacrifice graphics for speed.
> It's just my preference. I like 40 watt light bulbs in my kitchen and I'm
> darn glad General Electric doesn't make them fluctuate to 100 when 'they'
> feel it is appropriate. If I want 100 watts, I'll go out and buy another
> light bulb.
>
> AW Explorer
>
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Goober King
He almost sounds like he knows what he's talking about...
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Oct 2, 2001, 12:21pm

I have a similar system, PII 350 with an old 8 meg Matrox card. The only
problem I've ever had so far is that once in a while I run out of video
memory (which is understandable). Actually, I'm so surprised my Matrox card
has lasted this long without any glitches. I keep seeing so many people
complaining about these souped up cards that I may stick with Matrox in the
future.

NoMad 1

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Oct 2, 2001, 4:40pm

[View Quote] There is only minimum visibility setting in the options, but you can sort of
limit maximum visibility too by setting the desired frame rate high.

Visibility menu will reset to Float every time you change worlds or close AW.
That's because if some newb... people set their visibility at 200 m and
then their computer grinds to a halt, that they could get it reset somehow.

The minimum visibility in a world can be restricted in the World options.
In many worlds it is still 40 m, so 30 m is greyed out in the Visibility menu
(in early beta, the minimum visibility available was 40 m.)

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Mauz
http://mauz.tnlc.com/

Oct 2, 2001, 5:16pm

Whoa. Slow down there. You're not going to ruin our newsgroups even more
with your flame thrower. What the heck is a gnome anyways? I thought it
was a lawn decoration. Maybe you should tone it down, because even without
you blowing up at me on the whole Just In thing, you're sounding worse than
Eep.
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SW Chris
Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

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Oct 2, 2001, 7:06pm

"What the heck is a gnome anyways? I thought it was a lawn decoration"
That's a Yard Gnome, a Gnome is a little person, usually appears in fairy
tales and fables :-)

-Mike Zimmer
Mole 3.0 www.mzimmer.com

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Oct 2, 2001, 7:08pm

The GNOME project has built a complete free and easy-to-use
desktop environment for the user, as well as a powerful
application framework for the software developer.

(from http://www.gnome.org)

Not the same as Ahmed bin Shekhe Ngome ;)

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__/ /_

Oct 2, 2001, 9:19pm

[View Quote] >Please stop your whining about versions, go back to the old one if you don't
>like 3.2.

i pay $20 a year for this crap and you're telling me not to complain? PFFT!

going back to 3.1 will not work for long, are you even aware that eventually 3.1 will not work in the AWCOM universe?

>Update your drivers, buy new hardware. You have to do it to keep up with
>programs and technology.

people aren't stinkin' rich man.

>If you are still running a PII 200 or something you are way out and barely
>even supportable by today's (this weeks) standards.

....

>I have had No issues with 3.2 at all.

yippee let's throw a party!?

>But I guess the news group is a place to rant, it's just so bad to hear
>people whine incessantly build after build. You people will never be
>satisfied till you can plug in AW into the back of your necks, and live in
>it that way. The again you will probably still whine then.

=)

>Z!
>
>
>

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Tony M (fldmshl2013 at hotmail.com)
http://tonyhttp.s5.com

Oct 3, 2001, 12:35am

I want my minimum visibility and Visibility from the menu to both be set to
the absolute lowest and stay there. Not move, not get checked back on
float, not go to 100, nothing. Just stay at 25 frame rate, 25 visibility,
and preferably 30 maximum visibility and the check only move when I change
it manually.

:D

AW Explorer

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Oct 3, 2001, 1:50am

Then go to Options -> Settings -> Performance tab and put 25 for the
frame rate and 25 for the visibility. Then, no matter what, you'll
always be at 25 fps. If the visibility happens to go up in some spots,
you'll still be at 25 fps, I promise! Just think of it as an added bonus :)

[View Quote] > I want my minimum visibility and Visibility from the menu to both be set to
> the absolute lowest and stay there. Not move, not get checked back on
> float, not go to 100, nothing. Just stay at 25 frame rate, 25 visibility,
> and preferably 30 maximum visibility and the check only move when I change
> it manually.
>
> :D
>
> AW Explorer
>
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Goober King
Visibility good!
rar1 at acsu.buffalo.edu

Oct 3, 2001, 3:48am

If that's in anyway directed to me, take a look at my hardware specs again.
This computer is less than 3 months old and the specs are pretty good. As
for drivers, I assure you I have the latest. I bought this computer with my
own money and the only thing I use it for is AW, shopping, and school work,
so it really sucks when I can't use the latest version of AW =\


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Oct 3, 2001, 4:14am

Doesn't work that way on my copy of AW. The check mark moves back to float
when I move around, even if I set it for 40 (the minimum maximum), which
means my max visibility goes out of this world depending upon where I"m at.
Check mauz's post for that explaination under "Visibility (Re: Please
Stop)".

Also, 25 minimum visibility is not an option anymore on my copy of AW. The
best I can do is 30 minimum visibility, 40 max visibility and then when I
teleport around it changes the $#%$ back to float!!!!!!! Which then gets me
back to 100 in certain places. And I notice my visibility is never the
minimum that I set it, it's always whatever the max is set for, which is 40
or more. It slows me up! Give me back my 25 for minimum and give me a way
to lock down the maximum visibility to at least 30. I feel like I'm trying
to run around in water.

Please!

Thank you.

AW Explorer

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Oct 3, 2001, 4:15am

I better understand now why it was programmed this way, but I wish there was
a way to lock down the maximum visibility without it ever trying to readjust
itself. Also, I wish I could have 25 min visibility back.

Thanks for explaining.

AW Explorer

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Oct 3, 2001, 10:44am

You CAN lock the visibility, by setting the frame rate to the max, 100 (last I checked). And I believe 25m is still possible in the visibility options (not pull-down menu, annoyingly--hey, I suggested Roland add it but he ignored be as usual).

[View Quote] > I better understand now why it was programmed this way, but I wish there was
> a way to lock down the maximum visibility without it ever trying to readjust
> itself. Also, I wish I could have 25 min visibility back.
>
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Oct 3, 2001, 11:00am

My mistake about 25m; seems Roland stupidly removed that limit. Why is beyond me since lower a visibility takes less time to refresh the scene when updating objects. AWC seems to be making AW less and less worldbuilder friendly. Single objects et al STILL can't be refreshed without having to mindlessly refresh the entire scene or have a billion different named objects for each new version--it's just ridiculously tedious to create content for AW. If AWC ever expects AW to become more popular in terms of worldbuilding it NEEDS to make AW easier to build with and MUCH less annoying and frustrating to even do the simplest of things. I would urge people to start voting for more designer-friendly features on the new feature voting page so AWC gets the hint...but I doubt they will with their history of ineptness and out-of-touchness with their users...

[View Quote] > You CAN lock the visibility, by setting the frame rate to the max, 100 (last I checked). And I believe 25m is still possible in the visibility options (not pull-down menu, annoyingly--hey, I suggested Roland add it but he ignored be as usual).
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Oct 3, 2001, 4:38pm

no one can sound worse than Eep... I use gnome just as an expression of
thinking that someone is behaving stupidly... as Mike Zimmer said, gnomes
originate from fairy tales and such, and now they are more commonly garden
decorations, true... or they are ppl that behave foolishly in these NGs ;-))
why can't I flame him? he was acting stupidly, nothing better than a fresh
flame to make him come to sense (well, except with the hyper weirdo gnomes
that never change, but they seem to have left/been banned, and hopefully
none will take their place...). if you don't like me flaming ppl (I don't
only flame ppl, you know...), you can go eat a tree.

KAH

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Oct 3, 2001, 6:39pm

um... Float is the setting that you have specified in Options--> Settings.
Don't worry, it took me awhile to figure that out too. ;)
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SW Chris
Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

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Oct 3, 2001, 6:43pm

eat a tree??? ... If you mean broccoli, I already like it. Seriously
though, a mild, peaceful rebuke will go leagues farther than a flaming
arrow. Granted, there are some cases where you need to get someone's
attention in the loudest way possible, but only if other methods have
failed. Sorry if I sound like an android, but that's how it usually works.
--
SW Chris
Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

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Oct 3, 2001, 7:20pm

Okay, I will try setting the frame rate for 100 and see what happens. At
times I spend a lot of time exploring Alpha World. It's a nuisance trying
to keep the max visibility to stay in one place.

Yeah, 25 m seems gone for good. I use the min visibility when I go to high
download areas (like Cy awards). I set it to the lowest, then as time goes
by, I set it higher and higher while standing in one place to get the full
download. This might not be what everyone else does, but it's what I do and
it worked. Doing this also allows me to get an idea of the objects in a
certain location of a world/area I have not explored (tells me how far away
they are by the number I have set on minimum visibility) and I do this by
viewing the names downloading at the time, which tells me whether it is
something I want to check out.

Thing is, ppl have their own way of doing stuff on their computer and when
something isn't broke, please keep your lunch hooks off of it. :(

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Oct 4, 2001, 4:47am

Hey, you don't need to tell ME about this; I've been speaking out about a=
ll of Roland/AWC's stupid changes to AW ever since first coming to AW ove=
r 4 years ago, but I can only do so much--I'm only one person. This is wh=
y people need to band together and speak out against AWC's mindless chang=
es to AW and to CONSTANTLY question ANY AWCer they come across so they ca=
n NOT make changes to AW that go against what the majority (or even an ou=
tspoken minority that seem to be the only ones who truly care about AW) w=
ant. The feature vote is one step in this direction, but AWC still needs =
constant pressure to make sure things are enforced and carried out. Other=
wise AWC will go about their merry way (as usual) and try to blow us off.=
Oh, sure, they throw scraps at us to make it LOOK like they care, but do=
they truly? I seriously doubt it...they blow more smoke up our butts and=
pull more wool over our eyes than most people can even tell and/or want =
to admit. It's time to wake up, people...if you truly care about AW and i=
ts future you'll stop letting it slide into the sewer!

[View Quote] > Thing is, ppl have their own way of doing stuff on their computer and w=
hen
> something isn't broke, please keep your lunch hooks off of it. :(
>
[View Quote] > options (not pull-down menu, annoyingly--hey, I suggested Roland add it=
but
> he ignored be as usual).
h
> there was
to
> readjust
> acceptable
ty,
> to down
25,
> but
yed
> out.
u can
> sort
high.
s or
> close
00 m
> and
set
d
> options.
> Visibility

Oct 4, 2001, 6:36pm

no, rather like a pine... if you don't feel up to it, then ask to be a
beaver in your next life (well, if you believe in it), and do it then ;-))
sorry if I'm a bit agressive right now, 2 deaths in the family the last two
weeks, please excuse me :-((

KAH

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Oct 4, 2001, 8:15pm

:( I hope you and your family doing alright.
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SW Chris
Eagle Scout, Philosopher, Peacemaker, and... Kung Fu Master?
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

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Oct 4, 2001, 10:34pm

It's what President Bush was for the first few months in office according to
Time magazine - then he took a big trip around the world. Now what shall we
call him?

AW Explorer

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