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zzed // User SearchAW Linux Browser!Mar 5, 2000, 9:15am
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> Not bad.... I love Linux, a X Version will have to do it but first we need a
> Linux version of the Renderware libraries, then it will be possible... I > want to do the same thing. Apparently the aw2.1 browser will run under the WINE emulator http://www.winehq.com/ under X on linux according to the list of compatible graphical application. The list is rather old and WINE is being improved all the time, so maybe the aw2.2 and even the forthcoming aw3.0 browser will work. Anyone using it? News about aw 3.0Mar 8, 2000, 4:09pm
After all the buildup - the documentation, the delivery of the renderware 3
libraries, and then what do we hear ... yes you heard it too, nothing :( Come on AW tell us something! Open Source DevelopmentJun 13, 2000, 5:10pm
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Yes indeed, i think this really is the way forward for AW, see thread
news://news.activeworlds.com/391874BE.E97AB2A7%40kabsi.at and Open Source DevelopmentJun 14, 2000, 4:32am
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Easily overcome.
>There is also, as you mentioned, the security issue. People could learn what the protocal was and the > security would be pointless. Open source would ensure a far more secure implementation of the aw protocolthan a closed one. > Plus, the Renderware SDK costs (I think) around $1000 US per year per platform per programmer. I have proposed several ways around this: see news://news.activeworlds.com/391954D1.DE3908DA%40kabsi.at > > -Agent1 > [View Quote] Thanks for reposting this, for some reason i can't see the original and the url you give to the posting is broken :( Open Source DevelopmentJun 14, 2000, 4:39pm
agent1 continued to whinge:
[View Quote] All right as you insist. Almost too many ways to bother typing, here are just few that come to mind: o Built in help files that can be context driven (as they should be anyway) triggered by a user request o Web based pages again triggered by request o newsgroup support with an active development group rapidly responding to user input, the help support should be considerably improved as it is with Linux v Windows help. > > No. There would be no point in having a security protocal (for the browser and server[s] to encrypt communitcations) if everyone > could decode it. This is a common misconception. Public key encryption is an excellent example where not only open code but also open keys offer the best security available. > > > I doubt AWCOM would want to be bogged down compiling personal versions of AW. I don't think Criterion would go for it as anyone > programming a version of AW to be compiled by AWCOM would be considered one of "their" "programmers" and would charge for another > copy of the SDK. As I indicated earlier, I agree this may be a problem; however AWCOM have not yet commented on the subject. Netscape appear to have successfully managed this type of problem. Open Source DevelopmentJun 14, 2000, 4:46pm
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Mute point Agent1 - neither will an open linux browser.
> [View Quote] It may be worth distinguishing between the highly successful Linux kernel and the upcoming but yet to be proven Linux desktops. Most users associate the visible desktop with Windows and Linux does not yet have a substantially better alternative. Open Source DevelopmentJun 19, 2000, 6:44pm
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No secret is made about the open source projects that have failed; it's all
there out in the open. More to the point the lessons are learned. How much do you hear about all those canned projects that Microsoft abandon each year after spending millions of dollars on them, not to mention the ones that should have been canned but are sold to users. A lot of people still don't realise the scale of the free software movement, SourceForge for example hosts over 5,000 projects with more than 30,000 developers and it is growing fast. Mozilla is a special case. Not only is it an enormous project but it started life as a propriety system that was suddenly opened up to the open source community. There were lots of initial problems surrounding the licensing and exactly how the project would be run. Having made that brave decision it was quickly realised that Netscape's code was a disaster and a completely new design was made. A rewrite has been in progress for over a year and the first checkpoints are being released. We'll see how it stands up. Other browser projects are also in progress that further complicate the picture. BTW very few open source projects ever give a release date, it's released when ready; unlike the all too often disasters arising from the deadline release dates of proprietary software. > Anyway, Open Source works only either if the project is small enough (that was the case for the open > source "prototype", fetchmail, but its not the case with AW) or if many decent programmers are > interested in developing it (which was the case initially for Mozilla, but not anymore, and which is > for sure not the case for AW). An open source AW browser should fit comfortably in the small project scale. Of course if the RWX support libraries need rewriting that will enlarge it. In fact that may be a far better solution in order to have full access to that part of the system which at the moment is hidden and one that AWCOM has to pay for from Criterion. > I think the linux success is driven by one single goal: overtake windows. That goal is shared by all > linux participants. Windows is the enemy. If there is no such goal, then there is no group focussing > on it, everyone will have his/her own set of targets and priorities. I suspect if Windows fell > behind, Linux would suffer from that. Add this one to the reasons why Mozilla failed (when it > startet IE was not advanced enough to provide a feature and quality level goal for every > participant, now it would, but the inertia is gone). Competition with windows is surely a factor, but there are many others which outweigh it IMHO, such as personal fun, learning, fame etc. It is far too early to talk about Mozilla's failure. > An AW Open-Source would not even have this kind of focusing from the start. I like reality, others > like shoot-em up.. etc etc It would be done by people really interested in VR and the AW environment. Luckily the AW staff are very involved with their work but they have such limited resources. An open source approach would add a lot of muscle and skills. > It might be tempting to try and find a way which incorporates "best of both worlds", i.e. a > Management that sets goals and causes focussing, and thousands of programmers that do not ask for > pay. But didn't Netscape try exaclty that ? (and yes, Netscape was critized for doing so) Yes I agree, involving AWCOM would be important for the success of the project. Finding the right process is very important too. True Full Screen Viewing ModeJun 13, 2000, 5:07pm
I wish with my lil dish for:
A true full screen mode viewing mode to gaze upon the full beauty of aw 3.0 with return to normal multi window mode via a special key (escape?) Hmm, while i'm wishing this maybe option to close or maximise any of the fixed windows (view, chat, menu, lists) would be more general and powerful. Multiple Object PathsJun 13, 2000, 5:13pm
I wish again with my lil hen for:
Multiple object paths for any world. Allowing object libraries to be split, shared and specialized. This would enable the general AW object path to be used as a common library. Object Libraires available from menuJun 13, 2000, 5:20pm
i wish once more with a saw for:
Menu based object libraries that drop down in cute lil hierarchical trees from the top menu bar: File Teleport View Options Show Login Avatar Web *Objects* Help where the Objects menu would expand like: Objects/library/class ../type e.g. Object/AW/trees/tree7m.rwx or Objects/Mylibrary/Silly/Very silly/cowpat.rwx Object Oriented ObjectsJun 13, 2000, 5:23pm
i wish with all my heart for;
Object Oriented Objects so compound objects can be built from others and actions are inherited as methods. Collocation and lock modeJun 13, 2000, 5:28pm
i wish all my breath for:
The ability to collocate the viewpoint with another av (e.g. for building and error viewing). A further option to lock to another av would be fun for guided tours and travelling around (option to refuse lock similar to join would be needed). The lock would need to be teleportable. Object creator fieldJun 13, 2000, 5:30pm
Another wish for my fish:
To enable the creator of an object to become famous :) Hide Cit NameJun 13, 2000, 5:32pm
yet another wish hehe:
To switch on and off my cit name in public, I don't always wanna go about with my name hanging around my neck! A Better Wish List SystemJun 13, 2000, 5:34pm
To keep track of wishes to avoid duplication and loss. Any suggestions?
A Better Wish List SystemJun 14, 2000, 5:01pm
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Good stuff. A lot of interesting improvements listed there in a dark, barely
readable, format. Hopefully that page will be updated with suggestions made here. Seems to me that one can take every feature of AW and make a list of improvements. Such is software :) [View Quote] Protecting ChildrenJun 15, 2000, 10:54am
I wish there was a better way to protect children in AW especially very young
children who are unaware of the serious nature of some worlds and who may be tempted to explore them. One way to achieve this would be to grant a special low rate (or even free ) children's citizenship. This would enable the world server to recognize child cits and ensure that those worlds did not appear on their world list. Also any complaints involving children would be easier to deal with. There may be a lot of other features that could be implemented for children once AW are able to identify them when they log in. Many parents would feel happier about letting their children play in AW if they knew that special care was being taken to protect them. Protecting ChildrenJun 23, 2000, 6:26pm
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> I think we should ask Al Gore, After all, wasn't it he who said "...I am the
> father of the internet..."? OMG it will give a whole new meaning to the term Gorean LOL Implement reality pleaseJun 29, 2000, 6:20pm
I really do think it is time that AW implemented reality, surely that can't be
too difficult? LMFAO B^) Wonders of the WorldsJan 19, 2000, 7:30pm
Two proposals surely warrant a reply:
World Coords Wonder Proposed by Built by AW TBD Everglades BirdMike y2000 4N 1E Grand Pyramid chris Waddell ZeRo/Posh Wonders of the WorldsJan 20, 2000, 1:27pm
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> Well, I know there's a list of some interesting places at NW's Builders'
> Supply (AW 1096n 988w). Or you can check out the Community Register > (http://www.awcommunity.org/awcomreg) or Universal Town Network > (http://utn.cjb.net) and see what they've got... nothing any more > specific, tho :-/ and it's specific places that would be needed for a WotW list. Exploring is great but getting there is sometimes better :) Wonders of the WorldsJan 20, 2000, 8:17pm
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> Well :) Somebody put together the definitive list and I'll see to it that it
> gets publicized and give it a permanent web home :) Thanks Lucrezia, all we now need is the list :) Hopefully it will prominently displayed for all to see and be kept uptodate. Hmm, if wonder if a voting system could be added to the aw web browser pages (or other non aw pages?) to let ppl give their choices for WotW. Wonders of the WorldsJan 21, 2000, 3:57pm
AlphaBit Phalpha proposed:
> Also...the AWHS has built a beautiful historic places in AW Prime World > Museum. > It's located in AWCC and there's a teleport link just SE of GZ in AWCC. > All the teleports are mini replicas of the sites....it is sooooooooo cute:) Coords plz, i can't get into AWCC it seems to download forever :( where is www.activeworlds.com ?Jan 19, 2000, 4:14pm
http://www.activeworlds.com seems to have been down for ages ... has it
moved? Protecting ChildrenJun 15, 2000, 10:54am
I wish there was a better way to protect children in AW especially very young
children who are unaware of the serious nature of some worlds and who may be tempted to explore them. One way to achieve this would be to grant a special low rate (or even free ) children's citizenship. This would enable the world server to recognize child cits and ensure that those worlds did not appear on their world list. Also any complaints involving children would be easier to deal with. There may be a lot of other features that could be implemented for children once AW are able to identify them when they log in. Many parents would feel happier about letting their children play in AW if they knew that special care was being taken to protect them. Protecting ChildrenJun 23, 2000, 6:26pm
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> I think we should ask Al Gore, After all, wasn't it he who said "...I am the
> father of the internet..."? OMG it will give a whole new meaning to the term Gorean LOL |